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The Warrior Prophet (The Prince of Nothing #2)
With his spectacularly powerful debut The Darkness that Comes Before, a fantasy epic that rewrote conventions of the fantasy genre and garnered thunderous praise from reviewers and readers alike, R. Scott Bakker introduced readers to his richly imagined world of myth, violence, and sorcery. In The Warrior Prophet, the thrilling story of the powerful logician-monk Anasurimb...more
624 pages
Published
September 2nd 2008
by Overlook
(first published January 1st 2005)
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I loved the first book in the series, but it turns out that what I liked was the world-painting aspects of the thing: learning about the people, the characters, the history of the world Bakker made up. The story's good, but for the first half of this volume I was a bit bored. The problem is simple: it's not just hard to write interesting battle scenes, it's absolutely impossible. "Names, names, weapon-nouns, violence-verbs, adjectives, blood, dead." Repeat four or five times, and I'm a...more
Bakker went from a 3-star book to a 5-star book with his second novel in the trilogy. He definitely lived up to the promise glimpsed in his first novel.
Plot
I didn't notice while reading this (so it clearly didn't bother me), but now that I'm thinking about it there really isn't a cohesive arch to this book. There's no second storyline that intersects and sheds light on the first storyline, really. I suppose that's part of the problem of writing a chronicle of a Crusade with nu...more
Plot
I didn't notice while reading this (so it clearly didn't bother me), but now that I'm thinking about it there really isn't a cohesive arch to this book. There's no second storyline that intersects and sheds light on the first storyline, really. I suppose that's part of the problem of writing a chronicle of a Crusade with nu...more
In The Warrior Prophet, the second volume of the Prince of Nothing trilogy, the story of the powerful logical-monk Anas rimbor Kellhus and the apocalyptic Holy War is continued, as readers are invited further into the darkly enchanting, horrifyingly threatening battlescape upon which the war will be decided.
As the crusade plunges violently southward, struggling with both the enemy and internecine turmoil, the enigmatic Kellhus finds himself ever closer to the elusive goal of meeting ...more
As the crusade plunges violently southward, struggling with both the enemy and internecine turmoil, the enigmatic Kellhus finds himself ever closer to the elusive goal of meeting ...more
This is an EPIC fantasy book. The whole series is sweeping and impressive in its scope. Bakker writes battle scenes as a general might, focusing not only on the characters that we know, but also on the movements of the armies and the strategy that leads to their ultimate victory or defeat.
The first book was dark and gritty, but in this volume Bakker really dwells on the horrors of war (and since the entire 600 pages follows a holy war, there are plenty of them). This is definitely not...more
The first book was dark and gritty, but in this volume Bakker really dwells on the horrors of war (and since the entire 600 pages follows a holy war, there are plenty of them). This is definitely not...more
In my review for The Darkness That Comes Before, I mentioned that the book was mostly spent setting the scene for the holy war that was about to begin. In The Warrior-Prophet, the war is very much underway. The book follows the progression of the army through all sorts of terrains and and all sorts of horrific setbacks.
There's a LOT of violence. Bakker's method of writing the war scenes is reminiscent of The Illiad: he is clearly trying to capture all of the important events, su...more
There's a LOT of violence. Bakker's method of writing the war scenes is reminiscent of The Illiad: he is clearly trying to capture all of the important events, su...more
The Holy War marches on. The story continues in the novel, and while more layers are added to the obfuscations and the bastardry, while tends to stand out is the bleak beauty of the phrasing as things reach the darkest moments for those who march.
Considering I've started reading with a eye towards these reviews, I kept seeing phrasing that I wanted to share with you. About the prose Bakker uses to capture the desolation of 300,000 men, camp followers, and lackeys who cross a desert, ...more
Considering I've started reading with a eye towards these reviews, I kept seeing phrasing that I wanted to share with you. About the prose Bakker uses to capture the desolation of 300,000 men, camp followers, and lackeys who cross a desert, ...more
Bakker continues to redefine the standard for dark AND intelligent fantasy.
This book focuses a lot more on Kellhus and we get to see just how powerful the Dunyain are. We also discover just how selfish the Dunyain can be too. The holy war is depicted with brutal honesty and it is clear there are no "good guys" present. The battles are some of the best I have read in describing large-scale action and the magic/monsters are filled with awe and horror. I also like how Bakker keeps the "...more
This book focuses a lot more on Kellhus and we get to see just how powerful the Dunyain are. We also discover just how selfish the Dunyain can be too. The holy war is depicted with brutal honesty and it is clear there are no "good guys" present. The battles are some of the best I have read in describing large-scale action and the magic/monsters are filled with awe and horror. I also like how Bakker keeps the "...more
PROS: Every bit as meticulous, challenging, and absorbing as the first volume. The heart of this story is a Holy War, and I love the honest depiction of just how hard it is to assemble various factions and their sub factions and their sub factions and vaguely shove them in the direction of your enemy with the hopes that too many of your own villages won't get plundered before they read the destination. Magic fully comes into play and is a rich and complicate mixture of mathematics and philosophy...more
"The Warrior Prophet" picks up the momentum of the first book in the series and keeps on rolling. The plot moves into the Holy War itself and supplies plenty of action and magic that the first book so sorely lacked. The book does continue the "heaviness" of the first book, but do not mistake this as droll--it is a sophistcated deepness so often lacking in modern fantasy that hearkens more towards the writings of Stephen R. Donaldson or Guy Gavriel Kay. It is also strongly ...more
A much better read than the first one. There's still way too many names and places and just generally proper nouns floating all over the place, but it seems like the focus has settled a little bit, or perhaps I've just gotten immersed in the world enough that it's not so jarring. Or possibly it's because the Holy War has finally gotten underway...
Also I have to admit that I'm happy the more occult, or "fantastical," aspects of the world are leaping out in sharper relief. ...more
Also I have to admit that I'm happy the more occult, or "fantastical," aspects of the world are leaping out in sharper relief. ...more
This is the second book of the Prince of Nothing series. This one is a little easier to follow as all the main characters are together for the most part. Still a very dense read. There isn't as much backstory in this one, but what there is very intriguing (eg the 'inchoroi'). The main story threads still concern Achamian, but Kellhus features very prominently as well, and remains enigmatic, just what are his goals and motivations? There are definite hints that not everything is what it seems. I ...more
It took me a while to get through this book. My only complaint is something that I don't have the right to complain about. Since this trilogy takes place entirely inside a holy war, I don't feel it proper to complain that the war part was grueling to read. Graphic descriptions of the brutality and gore of war complete with the war formations of each tribe and listing of officer names was too much for me. I found myself skimming through the war pages to get to the pages describing the people and ...more
It took me awhile to read The Warrior Prophet. It's not because it's a bad book, but it is a long book.
I didn't think it was possible but Bakker crammed even more stuff into The Warrior Prophet than in the previous book. I couldn't keep straight all these unpronounceable names or which side was which. Getting past those things, it's a very enjoyable book.
What Bakker does best is characters and the relationships they have. The trilogy may be called The Prince of Nothing b...more
I didn't think it was possible but Bakker crammed even more stuff into The Warrior Prophet than in the previous book. I couldn't keep straight all these unpronounceable names or which side was which. Getting past those things, it's a very enjoyable book.
What Bakker does best is characters and the relationships they have. The trilogy may be called The Prince of Nothing b...more
I put to the first book 5 points. The Warrior Prophet is also good, sometimes great. But i put only 1 point. Scott Bakker sought to spoil the book with much efforts. A tricky job. I don't know, why.
N.B. This review doesn't contain spoilers, since the main spoiler is the author. The plot is based on events of the first crusade, which ended with crusaders' victory and capture of the holy city. Look at the content: first march, second march, third march. Now you know, holy army won't be d...more
N.B. This review doesn't contain spoilers, since the main spoiler is the author. The plot is based on events of the first crusade, which ended with crusaders' victory and capture of the holy city. Look at the content: first march, second march, third march. Now you know, holy army won't be d...more
So this was definately better than the first one, sorta. The characters got marginally more interesting but the plot took a bit of a dive. I realize that the purpose of a middle/second book is to lay ground work andput people where you need them but this was painfully slow. There were good bits don't get me wrong. Especially where Achamain was concerned but most of the other plot was slower than neccessary. It reminded me of a whole book riding through Rohan or a whole book of hanging out in Edm...more
I enjoyed this one more than the first, though I still have some issues with it. It's a good series, with an intricate and engrossing story to tell, but something about it still makes me hesitate when people ask me what I think of it.
To begin with, I'm still not particularly attached to any character besides Achamian. I don't really care about others because their personalities feel flat, or they're just utterly unlikeable. And not in the good way, either.
Then there is Ke...more
To begin with, I'm still not particularly attached to any character besides Achamian. I don't really care about others because their personalities feel flat, or they're just utterly unlikeable. And not in the good way, either.
Then there is Ke...more
There weren’t enough superlatives to describe the brilliance of R. Scott Bakker’s first volume in “The Prince of Nothing” trilogy, “The Darkness That Comes Before”. After such an astounding debut, I wondered if the second volume could match the intellectual depth and overall intensity of the first book. Well, “The Warrior-Prophet” more than lives up to the lofty standards set by the previous book, providing one of my favorite fantasy reading experiences ever.
Reading Bakker’s work is li...more
Reading Bakker’s work is li...more
This book was very up and down. Bakker's writing is complex...not simply the story, but the writing itself. Part of it is continually throwing thousands of names at you, but part of it is a density of expression which can be hard to parse. This book opens with a prologue/recap of the first book and I found it somewhat bothersome that in reading the recap (which was written in a very straightforward, easy to understand style), I discovered half a dozen things that I had never picked up on from th...more
This what a good sequel should be: a slow, climactic build on the foundation of the first book, eliciting more, complex emotions from the readers, slowly illuminating more aspects of the central characters, a moderate addition of new perspectives, and, most important in fantasy novels, a richer and wider understanding of the world the story is couched in. For those of you who know George R.R. Martin (the best fantasy writer since Tolkien), Bakker really deserves to be in the conversation, and i...more
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The fantastical first crusade continues, including a long sojourn in the Antioch-analogue. Jerusalem in the next book. Some very good battle scenes for a fantasy book, and the greater evil is awakening. Some overlong passages of philosophy, but overall still fairly intriguing. rated MA for strong violence, sex scenes, some coarse language and adult themes. 3.5/5
What Bakker began in "The Darkness That Comes Before," he continues to excellent effect in "The Warrior Prophet." I can't imagine a book better tailored to my current tastes and needs, bringing together the strengths of some of my more cherished authors -- Umberto Eco's genius at illuminating history, the dark imagination of a Clark Ashton Smith and Michael Shea's gift for language -- delivered with economic plotting and gifted character craft that allows for very little wast...more
c2005. The publisher has gone with a quote from the SFF Site: "Violent, passionate, darkly poetic, seethingly original, these are books that deserve attention". Yep - it is violent but it is the passion that will remain in the memory. I am too much of a dunce to understand what is meant by "darkly poetic" - seems like a bit of mumbo jumbo to me but it sounds good! Good read but, for me, a bit clunky in parts. " FWFTB: march, south, infidel, faith, madness. FCN: Anasurimb...more
The Holy war continues and the Men of the Tusk march on to ancient Shimeh. Anasarumbor Kellhus the Warrior Prophet gains more and more followers and the nobles are starting to fear his growing power.
If you liked the first book, you will love this one. The story is so epic in scope i have trouble remembering the names of people and places. All the violence that the first one lacked is here, it's dark with gritty violence and sex, if you are squemish, this isn't for you. What i like mo...more
If you liked the first book, you will love this one. The story is so epic in scope i have trouble remembering the names of people and places. All the violence that the first one lacked is here, it's dark with gritty violence and sex, if you are squemish, this isn't for you. What i like mo...more
This book while still good, moved a little slower than the first book in the series. This is a result I believe of more space dedicated to some philosophical thoughts of the characters and factions. These were still interesting but it just seemed like they were put in the wrong places and kind of hindered the flow of the story.
A step up from the first book, here Bakker keeps the pace with the movement of the Holy War.
Also, he does a good job of pushing the mystery as well as defining the historical context of the action.
I can't wait for the next volume, but I'm worried the resolution won't satisfy me.
Also, he does a good job of pushing the mystery as well as defining the historical context of the action.
I can't wait for the next volume, but I'm worried the resolution won't satisfy me.
Read it, thought it was ok, the author has created an interesting reflection of the crusades, but the story is taking too long to go anywhere. I'm unsure about reading the next in the series as it looks like one more neverending saga, which I hate. Trilogies are bad enough.
I should probably make a shelf named "Abandoned" because thats what this book is ending up as. I made it about half way and just cant bring myself to pick it up anymore.
To call this a painful read is an understatement! I would give it negative stars if I could. Every single character in the story has been reduced to completely despicable stereotypes, leaving not a single likable thing about the story untouched.
As the rest of the storyline is about the atrocitie...more
To call this a painful read is an understatement! I would give it negative stars if I could. Every single character in the story has been reduced to completely despicable stereotypes, leaving not a single likable thing about the story untouched.
As the rest of the storyline is about the atrocitie...more
I can't recall how many times I let out audible noises as though the words weaved their way through my mind and impacted with electrochemical processes like some kind of spirit materializing and leaving a trail of ectoplasm in three dimensions through various regions of my brain in the shape of Bakker's concepts.
*Xinemus and Achamian were sweet in this book.
*The desert was good.
*Seswatha was sweet.
*There were two big shockers in the book. One that I cared about, one that I didn't.
If it wasn't for those four things I would've gave this book one star.
*The desert was good.
*Seswatha was sweet.
*There were two big shockers in the book. One that I cared about, one that I didn't.
If it wasn't for those four things I would've gave this book one star.
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Richard Scott Bakker, who writes as R. Scott Bakker and as Scott Bakker, is a novelist whose work is dominated by a large series informally known as the The Second Apocalypse which Bakker began developing whilst as college in the 1980s. The series was originally planned to be a trilogy, with the first two books entitled The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect-Emperor. However, when Bakker began writi...more
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