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A Fire Upon the Deep (Zones of Thought #1)
by
Vernor Vinge
A Fire upon the Deep is the big, breakout book that fulfills the promise of Vinge's career to date: a gripping tale of galactic war told on a cosmic scale.
Thousands of years hence, many races inhabit a universe where a mind's potential is determined by its location in space, from superintelligent entities in the Transcend, to the limited minds of the Unthinking Depths, whe...more
Thousands of years hence, many races inhabit a universe where a mind's potential is determined by its location in space, from superintelligent entities in the Transcend, to the limited minds of the Unthinking Depths, whe...more
Mass Market Paperback, 613 pages
Published
February 15th 1993
by Tor Science Fiction
(first published 1992)
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Oct 27, 2011
Joel
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4 of 5 stars
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3 stars
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Due to the acquisition of GoodReads by Amazon on March 28, 2013 and my existing and continuing boycott of all things Amazon, the review I wrote after reading this book now resides, safe and secure, at my blog. You can read it by following this link: http://bit.ly/102qVHD
This is an impressive work of hard science fiction. I admire the author's creation and the writing is decent if not riveting.
I enjoyed the story of the Tines, aliens with pack minds, and I came to like the concept of the "zones of thought", where different levels of technology are possible in different areas of the galaxy.
But I found myself indifferent to the rest of the characters. The enemy they called the Blight seemed ominous only in the prologue - for the rest of the book it was kept at suc...more
I enjoyed the story of the Tines, aliens with pack minds, and I came to like the concept of the "zones of thought", where different levels of technology are possible in different areas of the galaxy.
But I found myself indifferent to the rest of the characters. The enemy they called the Blight seemed ominous only in the prologue - for the rest of the book it was kept at suc...more
Vernor Vinge has become one of my favorite science fiction authors with this amazing novel. Filled with big, huge ideas and amazing technology. Plus the aliens are awesome. The alien Tines were so original and amazingly described that I was in heaven reading about them. I loved this from beginning to end. Make sure you read this slowly or you might miss a handful of neat ideas.
Jan 13, 2009
Brad
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3 of 5 stars
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SciFi & Fantasy Book Club Jan 2009 Space Opera
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to-read-again
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This is the galaxy in the unimaginably distant future, populated with millions of species. The shape of civilizations is dictated by the shape of the galaxy: close in at the core is the “slowness,” the place where only sublight travel is possible. Farther out is the “beyond,” where FTL drives function and cross-system communication passes on great data pipelines, and very advanced technology can begin to be truly sentient. And above that is the “transcend,” where automation goes beyond sentience...more
Apr 14, 2008
David Hughes
rated it
5 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
anyone who's ever thought they could possibly stomach science fiction
I want to make it clear that I don't lightly write rave reviews. Please read the following sentence twice:
This is an absolutely fantastic book.
On the outskirts of the Galaxy, far from the physical constraints of the Galactic core, faster-than-light travel is possible, and Transcended intelligences flourish to a complexity that dwarfs human comprehension. Scavenging for buried knowledge on a dead world, a party of humans awakes an ancient evil: an archive containing an entity so powerful and so m...more
This is an absolutely fantastic book.
On the outskirts of the Galaxy, far from the physical constraints of the Galactic core, faster-than-light travel is possible, and Transcended intelligences flourish to a complexity that dwarfs human comprehension. Scavenging for buried knowledge on a dead world, a party of humans awakes an ancient evil: an archive containing an entity so powerful and so m...more
The first third of this book is some of the best science-fiction I have ever read: good writing, fast pace, some breathtaking action, excellent balance between narrative and explanation, and some really, REALLY cool ideas thoroughly thought-out and implemented. Several times my brain practically crackled and I said, "wow" out loud when certain ideas Vinge had been hinting at "clicked" and became clear. Vinge is also pretty skilled at keeping the vast hard-sci-fi-space-opera scope of the book fas...more
This is one of the weirdest books I've ever read. It was amazingly creative and clever, and is easily one of the best sci-fi books I've ever laid hands on. The only problem is that it is written in such an extreme third-person viewpoint that people not experienced with sci-fi material will have trouble understanding what is going on; as such, I can only recommend it to experienced sci-fi readers.
Mar 27, 2012
Darciana
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4 of 5 stars
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It took me a long time to really get into this book, about 200 pages, but once I got there, I enjoyed it tremendously.
Vernor Vinge is a mathematician and computer scientist - and it shows. There's quite a bit of techno babble going on, much of it influenced by the Usenet concept of the 1980s and early 1990s, something I'm not familiar with at all (I got my first modem in 1999). Barely anything is actually explained, but you get the puzzle pieces bit by bit until a more cohesive picture of this...more
Vernor Vinge is a mathematician and computer scientist - and it shows. There's quite a bit of techno babble going on, much of it influenced by the Usenet concept of the 1980s and early 1990s, something I'm not familiar with at all (I got my first modem in 1999). Barely anything is actually explained, but you get the puzzle pieces bit by bit until a more cohesive picture of this...more
This book comes highly recommended by Redditors and several "best of sf" lists. However, seeing that Vinge is a scientist I did not expect much from this book, some cool, believable sf concepts at the most. The book did not start well for me with silly names like "Wickwrackrum" popping up and a confusing first chapter. However, once I begin to follow the book (about 30 pages in) Vinge really surprised me with his talented authorship. He has the ability to create characters worth caring about and...more
Maybe I'll come off as bi-polar when I start this five star review (my first of 2011) with an extensive list of why the book I'm applauding is utter garbage. But what the hell, I'm game if you are. Let's do it.
Why "A Fire Upon the Deep" is Utter Garbage
1. Mr. Vinge's characters are only so-so, and the humans are the worst of the lot. Every once in a blue moon a character will shine, which makes it so hard to bear their poor treatment at other critical points. Vernor struggles, as most sci-fi aut...more
Why "A Fire Upon the Deep" is Utter Garbage
1. Mr. Vinge's characters are only so-so, and the humans are the worst of the lot. Every once in a blue moon a character will shine, which makes it so hard to bear their poor treatment at other critical points. Vernor struggles, as most sci-fi aut...more
Vernor Vinge's 1991 novel A FIRE UPON THE DEEP is certainly a work of great proportions. Vinge takes us from the wider view of a universe filled with sentient life who fly starships and debate on galactic message boards to the political intrigues of a pre-spaceflight world inhabited by dog-like creatures.
Vinge's unique twist on space opera is his concept of "zones of thought". In the universe of A FIRE UPON THE DEEP, the Milky Way was "partitioned" at some point into four zones: the Unthinking D...more
Vinge's unique twist on space opera is his concept of "zones of thought". In the universe of A FIRE UPON THE DEEP, the Milky Way was "partitioned" at some point into four zones: the Unthinking D...more
Brief synopsis: Humans exploring at the edge of the galaxy accidentally awaken an ancient malevolent entity hell bent on conquering the galaxy. An interesting cast of characters is inadvertently caught up in the race to stop it.
I really enjoyed the well thought out, original and interesting ideas coupled with equally well developed aliens. I never thought I could empathize with a character that pretty much amounts to a small palm tree on wheels ... but the Skroderider Blueshell was one of my fav...more
I really enjoyed the well thought out, original and interesting ideas coupled with equally well developed aliens. I never thought I could empathize with a character that pretty much amounts to a small palm tree on wheels ... but the Skroderider Blueshell was one of my fav...more
I had a hard time getting into this book, the first 30 pages or so - the writing from the point of view of the aliens was difficult to get a feel for, until I realized it was a pack mind - the Tines were packs of dog-like creatures sharing an intelligence - that things started to get rolling. The characters in the book are believeable and loveable - especially Amdijefri, the human child-Tines puppy pack, and the Skroderiders, weird potted plants on jet skis. This book was well worth it, and I'm...more
This book deserves all of the praise it has been given. It's a very imaginative story with creative ideas about what humanity and the galaxy could be like in the far future. It raises familiar sci-fi motifs: what alien life might be like, implications of super-light travel and communication, AIs as more intelligent and dangerous than humans, disparity of technology between races. However, each of these seems clever and original in this book, the most interesting idea being Vinge's pack-mind spec...more
I seem to be one of the few geeks who was dramatically underwhelmed by this book. I guess that this is classic "hard SF", in the sense of being all ideas and not so much on the characterization. And maybe I've just passed the time in my life when that really excites me. But overall, it just didn't grab me.
The notion of the zones of thought was interesting, albeit a real stretch to me. The tines were a kind-of interesting construction, though mass minds have been done before. And, for whatever re...more
The notion of the zones of thought was interesting, albeit a real stretch to me. The tines were a kind-of interesting construction, though mass minds have been done before. And, for whatever re...more
I liked this book very much. It is a proper space opera, but I think it is better than most of the ones I have read. The universe reminds me most perhaps of the one laid out by Ian M Banks in Consider Phlebas and the sequels. It is the story of a "blight" which is an intelligent organism that a group of humans accidentally release from an "archive" (sort of a mine of ancient data) The blight then spreads rapidly and takes over big chunks of the universe. A small group escapes the blight, carryin...more
Vernor Vinge's Fire Upon the Deep is an attempt to meld hard sci-fi with Galactic scope with a much more personal, local story about life on a world where small groups of dog-like creatures work together to form multi-part intelligences.
The best part of the book is the dog-group story. This is a fascinating topic, and well-explored. About half of the novel takes place in this milieu, and a good amount of development and exploration takes place. Really an enjoyable thread.
The galactic part is mor...more
The best part of the book is the dog-group story. This is a fascinating topic, and well-explored. About half of the novel takes place in this milieu, and a good amount of development and exploration takes place. Really an enjoyable thread.
The galactic part is mor...more
How to explain? How to describe? Even the omniscient viewpoint quails.
It's indeed very hard to describe and explain the design and scale of "A Fire Upon the Deep" other than stating that it's a very ambitious book.
The main storyline takes place in a year, displaying different parts of a galaxy and different "zones" divided by forces of mysterious and presumably ancestral origins. Basically it's a rescue mission to a remote world in the relatively backward bottom of the "Beyond" where somehow tec...more
It's indeed very hard to describe and explain the design and scale of "A Fire Upon the Deep" other than stating that it's a very ambitious book.
The main storyline takes place in a year, displaying different parts of a galaxy and different "zones" divided by forces of mysterious and presumably ancestral origins. Basically it's a rescue mission to a remote world in the relatively backward bottom of the "Beyond" where somehow tec...more
I liked this book. I would definately recomend it.
Pros: I liked the characters, Pham in particular.
I loved the alien cultures. They were written well, I wanted to learn more about all of them. The Skroderiders were really cool.
The plot was surprisingly tight, considering the length of the book. I think Sci-Fi authors in general whould read this book as a reference on how to write a long, but still interesting book. The beginning was a little slow, but the second half of the book was well worth...more
Pros: I liked the characters, Pham in particular.
I loved the alien cultures. They were written well, I wanted to learn more about all of them. The Skroderiders were really cool.
The plot was surprisingly tight, considering the length of the book. I think Sci-Fi authors in general whould read this book as a reference on how to write a long, but still interesting book. The beginning was a little slow, but the second half of the book was well worth...more
If you're going to read only a few science fiction books, this should be one of them. Vernor Vinge uses this novel to propose a truly staggering number of ideas which answer any number of conundrums - the Fermi Paradox, why AIs haven't taken over the cosmos, etc. He does this in the context of a stunningly well-rendered galaxy with a fast-paced plot and fascinating characters. You can't get much better than this.
In "A Fire Upon the Deep", Vinge explores a galaxy split into 'zones of thought', wh...more
In "A Fire Upon the Deep", Vinge explores a galaxy split into 'zones of thought', wh...more
Timeline meets Dune meets Starship Troopers meets Forever War meets Neuromancer. This is Goodreads.com first recommendation for me, and appropriately, it chooses the long-known but finally-read Fire Upon the Deep, the so-called Bible of IT/CS, that extrapolates Technological Singularity to its next logical step (multiple singularities, happening everywhere), combines it with a pseudo-medieval Timeline-esque swords/sorcery (?) mashup, and then adds in some allegory about Great Power politics duri...more
I'll put it right up in front: this book has two of the more original ideas I have seen in Sci-Fi the last twenty years.
One is an alien species (and community) in which each individual/identity is made up of a few physically separate entities. In other words, a PACK of five dogs is one person, while each separate dog is akin to a limb. (There's no coincidenece that I used dogs in the example. The alien species resembles Earth canines). The other good idea is how the galaxy works in term of zone...more
One is an alien species (and community) in which each individual/identity is made up of a few physically separate entities. In other words, a PACK of five dogs is one person, while each separate dog is akin to a limb. (There's no coincidenece that I used dogs in the example. The alien species resembles Earth canines). The other good idea is how the galaxy works in term of zone...more
If you enjoy "hard science fiction" (ie., Arthur C. Clarke, Stephen Baxter, Greg Bear, Isaac Asimov, etc.) then you will probably walk away from "Fire" feeling somewhat cheated.
However, if you enjoy pseudo science-fantasy (ie., John Varley, Ursula K. LeGuin, Frank Herbert, Anne McCaffrey, etc.) then you will probably rave about "Fire".
Granted, the science didn't have to be explained (or even make sense) to enjoy this story. Vinge's description and interplay of transcendent artificial intelligenc...more
However, if you enjoy pseudo science-fantasy (ie., John Varley, Ursula K. LeGuin, Frank Herbert, Anne McCaffrey, etc.) then you will probably rave about "Fire".
Granted, the science didn't have to be explained (or even make sense) to enjoy this story. Vinge's description and interplay of transcendent artificial intelligenc...more
There are lots of interesting ideas and the story is intriguing. It explores group minds, FTL travel, races transcending beyond their biological selves, medieval war, and inter-species synergy. It just isn't a favorite.
Basic plot: hapless humans seek to exploit the power of an ancient "archive," but it isn't what it appears to be. A sentient life form - the Blight - billions of years old was stored within and begins to take over computers and minds in the Beyond. An entire section of the galaxy...more
Basic plot: hapless humans seek to exploit the power of an ancient "archive," but it isn't what it appears to be. A sentient life form - the Blight - billions of years old was stored within and begins to take over computers and minds in the Beyond. An entire section of the galaxy...more
Il prologo è molto intrigante e misterioso, crea una notevole aspettativa.
I primi capitoli però mi hanno fatto temere che diventasse una storia science-fantasy con bambini sperduti su un pianeta animali parlanti.
Quelli appena successivi su Centrale mi hanno invece rincuorata poichè si torna a parlare di bizzarri di alieni, comunicazioni tra gli spazi siderali ed entità misteriose come le Potenze che abitano il Trascendente, la zona più esterna della galassia. Comodo tra l'altro usare un abitan...more
I primi capitoli però mi hanno fatto temere che diventasse una storia science-fantasy con bambini sperduti su un pianeta animali parlanti.
Quelli appena successivi su Centrale mi hanno invece rincuorata poichè si torna a parlare di bizzarri di alieni, comunicazioni tra gli spazi siderali ed entità misteriose come le Potenze che abitano il Trascendente, la zona più esterna della galassia. Comodo tra l'altro usare un abitan...more
A Fire Upon the Deep is one of the greatest SF novels of the past 30 years. Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought universe is explored and brought to life here for the second time (the first story in this universe was his short "The Blabber") but with greater depth and vastly greater impact. This is modern space opera with the kind of twist only a computer-science expert like Vinge could come up with, where nanotechnology and computation collide with FTL and things that border the mystical.
A great ev...more
It's been at least a decade since I read this book -- two since I read it for the first time -- but I picked Fire Upon the Deep up again to remind myself of what happened before starting Children of the Sky.
It's still a fantastic book. Even though one of its major conceits is that the galactic Internet looks a lot like Usenet circa 1992, it's still a fresh and compelling read.
The plot is relatively simple. Humans awaken an ancient and malevolent Power on the edge of the galaxy, and survive the...more
It's still a fantastic book. Even though one of its major conceits is that the galactic Internet looks a lot like Usenet circa 1992, it's still a fresh and compelling read.
The plot is relatively simple. Humans awaken an ancient and malevolent Power on the edge of the galaxy, and survive the...more
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Vernor Steffen Vinge is a retired San Diego State University Professor of Mathematics, computer scientist, and science fiction author. He is best known for his Hugo Award-winning novels
A Fire Upon The Deep
(1992),
A Deepness in the Sky
(1999) and
Rainbows End
(2006), his Hugo Award-winning novellas
Fast Times at Fairmont High
(2002) and The Cookie Monster (2004), as well as for his 1993 essay...more
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