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    <body><![CDATA[Absolutely brilliant - the best satire in history. The dialogue is so absurd it's difficult to believe somebody could actually write it! Aristophanes depicts Socrates proving everything and nothing all at once and insults all of Greece in the same breath]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[OK, so I read only a fragment of this for a philosophy course many, many years ago. The context added to the humor from Aristophanes' biting satire. I'm sure were I to read this today, not as well steeped in ancient Greek philosophy, I wouldn't get such a kick out of it. Overly generous as my rating...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/16040654">more...</a>]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[After months of dry reading material, this little gem was required in my freshperson history/lit class.  I had no idea that the ancients ever laughed!  Yes, I am a comedy person.]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[A comedy about the latest fad in Athens, philosophy, and its main proponent, Socrates.]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[I read this Greek comedy in college and became one of my favorites.  The story is an amusing take on Greek philosophy and the intellectuals of Classical Athens.  This comedy is even mentioned in Plato's apology as one of the reasons behind the execution of Socrates.  ]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[This book was a happy surprise. I thought I'd be bored stiff, but was stunned by how funny ancient playwrights could actually be. He even makes a fart joke ,which isn't exactly the height of humor, but...nevermind. Great play, is all. Satire in the form of commentary on Socrates and the philosophica...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/12911921">more...</a>]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[I read William Arrowsmith's translation from William Arrowsmith from 1962. Some of the modern language choices acted like roadbumps for me but I did enjoy the tale. Quite funny. I now wish I'd named my roosters Philosophy &amp; Sophistry.]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[This is by far the best greek edition of Aristophaes' Clouds ever printed. The introduction is excellent, the text has a great app-crit., and the commentary is worth the price of the book alone.]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[I can't decide if it is reassuring or disturbing that even 2500 years ago people found toilet humor funny.]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[This book spoofs the Western Initiatory Tradition]]></body>
    
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    <body><![CDATA[The need for logic to survive...brilliant comedy]]></body>
    
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