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Stand on Zanzibar

by John Brunner, Kim Stanley Robinson (Introduction), Jacob McMurray (Illustrator)

3.97 · rating details · 1,821 ratings · 101 reviews

This dystopian look at the future, one of the most bleak in all of science fiction, is now in a new edition with full-page, full-color designs by Jacob McMurray. Disturbing and unconventional, this is an important work in science fiction, and it won the Hugo Award in 1969. Each copy of the book is also signed by John Brunner. Brunner passed away in 1985, but in the early 1...more

Hardcover, 560 pages

Published June 1st 2010 by Centipede Press (first published 1967)

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Jan 04, 2011

Erik Graff rated it

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Recommends it for: everyone

Recommended to Erik by: no one

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Reading this before discovering DosPassos' U.S.A., I was mightily impressed by Brunner's originality of technique. Discovering U.S.A., I was even more impressed by DosPassos, of course, but did not fault Brunner's employment of the other's proven methods for painting an enormous, richly textured picture of a possible future.

The book was anxiety-provoking in 1969. The accuracy of many of Brunner's predictions makes one wonder about the increasingly large subgenre of science fiction ...more

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Aug 14, 2011

Bill Dumoulin rated it

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Found it interesting; a unique style of writing. I've read different ways; the normal way from front to end, then also by sticking to the sub-headings; context, the happening world, tracking with closeups, etc. Either way, it made for excellent reading.

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Jul 11, 2008

Matt rated it

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I've read this book twice now, once a few months back and once in the early 90's. While I still greatly enjoyed the novel, it didn't stand up to a second reading as well as I thought it might.

'Stand on Zanzibar' is told in a very modern style that could be off-putting to some, although it is far more approachable than some other canonical stories from experimental 'New Wave' science fiction from the same period. And, as 'New Wave' there is some casual brutality to the story that so...moreI've read this book twice now, once a few months back and once in the early 90's. While I still greatly enjoyed the novel, it didn't stand up to a second reading as well as I thought it might.

'Stand on Zanzibar' is told in a very modern style that could be off-putting to some, although it is far more approachable than some other canonical stories from experimental 'New Wave' science fiction from the same period. And, as 'New Wave' there is some casual brutality to the story that some others might have a hard time enduring.

The central story is about the generally separate adventures of two roommates that know comparatively little about each others lives. These larger stories nestle in and are enriched by snippets of from a variety of invented voices from the broad-spectrum multimedia of the setting. The effect is the literary equivalent of being in a room with twelve different loudly blaring TV's set to different channels. The setting itself is typical of the 'Future Shock' dystopia's of the late '60's and early '70's, but this one is I think, by virtue of the format in which the story is told, by far the most compelling and best realized of these.

The novel does a very good job of predicting the culture and desperation of the 1970's, but is other than that its take on the future seems very dated and ultimately too tied to the political and social conceits of the period. The ties between this story and many others like it to the culture of the late '60's and the decade that followed it is so close, that I can't help but think that its predictive power is owed in no small part not just to having its ear to the pulse of the time, but also to the extent that it was the pulse of the time it helped shape the way people saw the world around them. As a prophetic work, it primarily seems to me to neither exactly prophetic nor exactly self-fulfilling, but certainly expectation fulfilling in the same sort of way that a deeply religious person sees evidence of God in everything that they see.

The other nasty surprise I found in rereading was that my standards of what constituted well-written changed between being 20 and being 35. While by no means a poorly written novel, it wasn't nearly as mind blowing the second time as the first time when I’d never read anything like it.

Even the first time through though, the way that the story is ultimately wrapped up seemed a bit silly, but, also while it is silly, the fact that Brunner was willing to end the story on at least a partially hopeful and not a completely irrational, nihilistic or Luddite note for me improves the story. I won't give away the twist directly, but, who could have known that all our problems were at their root so easily solved? I have to smile at thinking that the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil must have been a Durian rather than an apple.

All in all, the above criticisms must be seen as fairly minor. This is still one of the most important science fiction novels ever written, and would be certain to appear highly placed on any respectable list of the best 100 sci-fi novels of all time.(less)

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Jun 06, 2011

johanna rated it

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I loved this non-novel. at first it was hard to follow the style of the book but then it started to flow. it was so interesting reading a book written in the 60s about 2010. as usually we are no where near having all the technology that these sci-fi writers envision but we are very close the topics presented in this book- eugenics, cloning, etc. and the character Chad Mulligan says nothing untrue of our society today. this character has inspired me to be more forth coming with my own social writ...more

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Oct 20, 2007

J. Mark rated it

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Recommends it for: sci-fi fans and not-so sci-fi fans, fans of extrapolated sociology

Shelves: sci-fi-fantasy

This and "The Sheep Look Up" are Brunner's masterworks, though there are dozens of worthwhile reads from his amazing pen. This involved work, structurally based on John Dos Passos' "U.S.A. trilogy," gives a full worldview of what was then a not-too-distant future. Brunner had a knack for extrapolating current events and where they were likely to lead, and what we have in "Stand on Zanzibar" is a world that is in many ways like the one in which we now live. A cloak-a...more

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Aug 25, 2011

manuti rated it

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Otro libro más, y por supuesto con su reseña con retraso.

Si hace poco en Microsiervos calificaban de malo a Nova, uno de los libros de ciencia ficción que causaron furor en el año 1968, y que consideraron que había envejecido mal. Sin embargo, creo que Todos sobre Zanzibar a envejecido bien o muy bien, y como cualquier libro de ciencia ficción no es más que una extrapolación del presente que conoce el autor, en algunas cosas fallará como ocurre con el sexo hiperlibre, o la legalización tot...more

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Jul 29, 2011

Mathieu rated it

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Et bien ! Quelle claque !

J'avais lu ici où là que Tous à Zanzibar était un classique de la S-F, une œuvre phare et incontournable, de ces grands anciens dont la simple mention devrait encore aujourd'hui nous inspirer le respect.

Un peu méfiant quand même, j'ai longtemps retardé la lecture de ce roman, craignant que son contenu soit quelque peu défraîchi par le temps. Le roman date en effet de 1968, et je craignais qu'il soit un peu trop inscrit dans son époque pour me parler.

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Jul 29, 2011

Wolverina rated it

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I've finished Stand On Zanzibar. Er, sorry unisfa, I think I'm handing it back late. Isn't that what ex-librarians are for? =D

It's not really a friendly book, jumping everywhere, making references to things I don't entirely get and blarring out large advertisments/images. Wikipedia tells me what I'm trying to describe is that the novel attempts to create (successfully?) the impression of information overload.

But once you get the hang of it, it's pretty cool. The second half d...more

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Feb 10, 2011

James Broussard rated it

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This is a book that should only be read by true fans of science fiction. While I'm sure it was an incredible book in it's day, and the right reader can find the gold in it, most of it's readers today will be disappointed.

Stand on Zanzibar falls into that category of books written in the past about the present day that fell far from the mark of today's world. Yes, the themes of the book are still relevant, and the characters do ring true, but on the whole the book feels disjointed...more

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Feb 11, 2009

Stacie rated it

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I always find it amusing/entertaining to read about what people in the past thought today would be like. The book was written in 1968 about the year 2010. It definitely surprised me that there happened to be a character named President Obomi (not of the US) who is half black and half white, and he and his country are in some ways a symbol of hope for peace.

This was a really interesting read, although a bit hard to get into at first. He just sort of dumps you right into his quirky ...more

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Aug 16, 2010

Saul Bennett rated it

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Well, what an amazing novel. Totally unique and ahead if its time. I was intrigued by the fact it was written in 1968 and the story was set in 2010!
I loved the phrases the author invented - codders and shiggies (men and women), mockers, sheeting hell (I say that a lot myself now!), pint of whaledreck.
I loved the vast array of colourful characters - especially the inimitable Chad C Mulligan.
Some of the scenes (most of them very short and shocking) will stick in my memory for a l...more

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Oct 28, 2011

Fil Correia rated it

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Shelves: classics, dystopia, science-fiction

Avarice, mass-consumerism, international intrigue, special ops training and political and social commentary - oh, and a storyline in there somewhere.

Broken down into easily digestible and confounding bits (although the confusion was soon lifted but not without leaving me a bit dazed). The main story kept me in thrall, split between a proposed deal for a massive corporation to unite with some obscure little country and a somewhat recognisable United States fencing with some other obscur...more

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Dec 31, 2011

Ankush rated it

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I give this 5 stars for its style alone, which made it an absolute pleasure to read. As I'm sure you've read in the description, the style varies from narrative to dialogue to a TV newspiece to a chapter from a book within the book etc etc, and this really makes the place Brunner describes come to life. Its rare that I've felt so immersed in a fictional universe.

The content is also very varied, with some interesting psychological and sociological observations. The actual sci-fi aspec...more

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Jul 28, 2011

Amanda rated it

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Shelves: overpopulation, scifi, standalone, african-lit

Set in a near-future that is overpopulated and increasingly run by eugenics and computers this Hugo-winning work by Brunner examines the lives of two roommates--the white academic and spy Donald and the African-American Muslim Norman--via a very unique story-telling method. The main plot-line (called "continuity") is split up with four other types of chapters: context (writings important to the world), tracking with close-ups (short stories focusing in on minor characters), and the ha...more

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Dec 13, 2010

Lynyrd rated it

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It was ok. I found it hard to get into to begin with. With its odd chapters of computer speak, myths and other oddness world information giving. I have never read a book with this sort of style. But i found it oddly intriguing. I didnt particularly like the plot or the characters but i couldn't put it down and had to finish it. Its a strange one, i dont know whether i'd recommend it (as in u really really must read this!!! ) But i'm glad i have read it, it was good, not great. I do love some of...more

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Dec 11, 2011

Gabriel C. rated it

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So it took quite a while to warm up to this book, so it's lucky that it was INCREDIBLY LONG. The casual racism and sexism was extremely offputting at first, but by the end of the book it became clear that the racism, at least, was something that was both intentional and being grappled with. Reading this book was kind of like first being really constipated, and then suddenly getting diarrhea.

If you dislike made-up words, stay away. Codder, shiggy, bleeder, mucker, anti-matter and p...more

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Sep 13, 2011

Jim Neeley added it · review of another edition

This was a hard book to start, but at the midpoint the style starts to make sense and to make a pun, you turn a page. The style is very complex, but works in describing a future culture and society. I've read other reviews which mention a dated 6o's style, which is not completely untrue, but it doesn't distract from the work. How to explain it is hard,a story set in a future world interspersed with information about that world. Imagine reading a straight narrative but at the same time, stopping ...more

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Nov 10, 2011

Brendan rated it

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Shelves: 2011, classics, book-club, fiction, new-media, politics, scifi

Stand on Zanzibar is one of those novels you read about that has lots of accolades. It emerged from the soft-SF wave in the mid 1960s, and has a non-linear plot and some dark views of humankind’s future. The story, which you don’t really get to for at least 50 pages, follows two men as they navigate the over-populated and teetering on the edge of global crisis world of 2010. One of them, an African-American executive at GT, the world’s largest corporation, is tapped to head up an economic ini...moreStand on Zanzibar is one of those novels you read about that has lots of accolades. It emerged from the soft-SF wave in the mid 1960s, and has a non-linear plot and some dark views of humankind’s future. The story, which you don’t really get to for at least 50 pages, follows two men as they navigate the over-populated and teetering on the edge of global crisis world of 2010. One of them, an African-American executive at GT, the world’s largest corporation, is tapped to head up an economic initiative that will help a third-world country out of its poverty while also taking advantage of a gigantic undersea mineral vein. The other has spent the last decade as a government synthaesist, someone who studies the world and draws conclusions about it. He finds himself embroiled in a political nightmare as he’s tapped, uploaded with the skills of an assassin, and sent to a North Korea-like country to find out about a new genetic technique that will overturn the world. Interspersed among these chapters are numerous chapters providing context and detail for the world, through newscasts, blurbs, bits of dialogue, and brief scene sketches.

A few thoughts:

It’s often been said that science fiction is about the present, not the future, and this book definitely feels like it’s from the 1960s. It carries much of the doomed pessimism that pervaded the culture in the late 1960s, suggesting that racism and sexism continue unabated, that population explosion will result in massive eugenics programs, and that media will be out of control. The prejudices that trace through the society in Stand on Zanzibar‘s 2010 certainly still exist in our culture today, but they’ve changed in scope significantly. He doesn’t describe any progress at all, really. From that perspective, it’s a scary book.
The eugenics laws around the world in the book have a cold logic to them: if you’re going to limit population growth, you might as well limit it to people who can have offspring with as few genetic defects as possible. But JEEZ, it’s a grim world to live in where having a baby without permission is illegal. What Brunner didn’t predict is that with the rise in standard of living, birth rate drops, so developed countries would actually not be having a problem with boom, but with population drop.
The storytelling style of the book, very chaotic and hyperlinked — as one member of my book club put it, it’s like reading a Twitter feed at many points — has a prophetic feel to it, but it also highlights the main gap in the book: it challenges the reader to work very hard in order to dig out the story.
From the science and technology angle, two things stood out as interestingly wrong. First, Brunner was unable to conceive of personal computers. He saw the world still running on the mainframe model, where a few super-awesome super-computers (with names like Shalmaneser, rhymes with teaser) do all the computing. He also didn’t have the language of DNA yet, which gives the discussions about manipulating human genome an interesting vague-ness. I noticed the absence of Watson and Crick’s discovery at the point when the book discussed collecting the gene-plasm of the parents in order to create an embryo in a lab.
Brunner’s geopolitcs aren’t too far off, though. He predicted the unified Europe and describes China as the U.S.’s major diplomatic and economic rival. Russia, despite its prominence in the 1960s, has little or no mention in the novel. Weird.

There were two interesting quotes that I took note of. They’re included below, for your edification.(less)

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Jan 05, 2012

Thomas Baughman rated it

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This is one of the best Science -fiction novels of the 1960s. Some aspects of the book are somewhat dated-names of countries, slang-terms that the characters speak, to name two examples, but it's overall message still speaks to us in 2011. Read it as soon as possible.

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Feb 03, 2010

Dries Dries rated it

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This book was unlike any book i've read before. Multiple stories from multiple perspectives tell a story about an overpopulated earth. Written in 1968 some of the things written have come true in ways making this novel great to read for its critique on our current time. The unique thing about this books are the perspectives Brunner uses. Chapters have subnames like "tracking with close-ups" or "context". They tell personal stories, work the main plot, give random news flashes...more

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Dec 16, 2011

Kian rated it

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A big book, with big ideas.

Reading Stand on Zanzibar is hard work, following the related plot lines and snippets of information requires a whiteboard and marker, but the depth of story is what makes it so compelling.

The delivery switched between snippets of information presented as advertisements or news clippings, to chapters on supporting characters, to chapters on the main characters. Worldbuilding is an understatement of intent.

I fully admit J had several false...more

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Aug 26, 2011

Akiva rated it

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This book is from the sixties and you can definitely tell. The gender relations and the politics are weird and dated, but nonetheless it manages to be impressively futuristic, the essence of good science fiction. It also does some kind of interesting things with narrative style. There are lots of fragmentary collage bits - brief excerpts from the airwaves, some narrative POVs that don't matter to the main plot but help add texture to the world. Though it doesn't help that I also just read The Sa...more

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Jul 20, 2010

Jason rated it

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I understand this was a breakthrough novel for 1967, and it is full of ideas that are staggering for the time it was written, but for me this didn't work as a novel. The characters all leave me cold (with the exception of Chad Mulligan - he was great), which is a problem for such a long book.

I like the idea of all these snap shots of the world, like a photomontage, but for me it would have worked better if they were fleshed out a bit more, given a more personal focus. And as for the...more

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Dec 26, 2008

Manny rated it

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Definitely one of the best SF dystopias, which IMHO deserved more attention. OK, it's fair that "1984" and "Brave New World" received greater critical acclaim - there's no doubt that they are better. But there must be a hundred people who have read them for every one who's read Zanzibar, and that's not an accurate reflection of the difference in quality. Brunner has some interesting things to say that you won't find in either of the other two books, and he writes quite well. ...more

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Oct 06, 2011

terpkristin rated it

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I don't really know how to sum up this book. It was good, though I think the parts I liked about it were more the world-building than the actual plot. Written in 1968, Brunner paints a bleak picture of the current day (2010). Sadly, his painting is quite accurate. This book reminds me a bit of Infinite Jest in its disjointedness that all somehow comes together to form a (mostly) cohesive narrative. In this book, though, the world-building and side-character development is done in parallel with t...moreI don't really know how to sum up this book. It was good, though I think the parts I liked about it were more the world-building than the actual plot. Written in 1968, Brunner paints a bleak picture of the current day (2010). Sadly, his painting is quite accurate. This book reminds me a bit of Infinite Jest in its disjointedness that all somehow comes together to form a (mostly) cohesive narrative. In this book, though, the world-building and side-character development is done in parallel with the actual "story" parts (unlike the reverse story in IJ).

In this...story (?), Brunner's world is one of overpopulation (that is out of control enough that even the US has eugenics laws to ensure that only healthy babies are born--even the gene for colorblindness is reason to not be allowed to have a kid), where people are dependent on drugs and gadgets to form their identity, and technological advances are staggering. Though the actual narrative circles around the characters of Norman House and Donald Hogan, the real movers are Chad Mulligan and Shalamansear. Shalamansear is a super-computer, which constantly reminded me of a cross between IBM's "Watson" and what you'd get if you spent an afternoon Wikipedia surfing. Chad Mulligan is a sociologist of sorts, who is most likely a mouthpiece for Brunner himself.

Without spoiling the actual story, I will note that it ends up being Mulligan who "figures out" that Shalamansear is truly AI, and is aware. Almost ironically, though, he does this while constantly reminding his associates (namely Norman) and the public (through publications) of the importance of privacy, of the need to not rely too heavily on technology, while that is what the world is doing in a rather global scale.

Oddly, for me, the part about Norman and how Shalamansear relates to his story line, was not the story that kept my interest, though I think it is the one Brunner was trying to make the most important. Rather, I enjoyed Donald's story line, the one of espionage and social and political issues that arise from advances in genetic engineering (both in "red" China and in the US). I also really liked reading the "interludes" about sub-characters and the seemingly-random-until-you-figure-it-out "trains of thought" for Shalamansear. Brunner's world-building, while unorthodox, was gripping.

While reading, I noted a ton of passages that rang true today. I've listed many of them out in the Sword & Laser thread about Stand on Zanzibar, and some while I updated my progress. Maybe later I'll go pull a few more out. But seriously, if you've read this far into the review, you may as well go read the book. It's kind of confusing at first, but I thought it was pretty well worth-it.(less)

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May 11, 2011

James rated it

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This book is not an easy, straightforward read but it's well worth the effort. Brunner's style in this masterpiece of speculative fiction is unique and gives incredible depth to his vision of the future. It takes a while to figure out what the different chapters represent, but once your mind wraps around the idea you won't want to go back to normal, narrative styles.

Today, it's easy to look back and see the number if things Brunner missed predicting, but also scary at how close he g...more

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May 17, 2010

Peter rated it

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I first read this book in the 1970s and just read it again this month. This a marvelous novel...bursting at the seams with ideas, observation and craziness. It's set in 2010 and that makes it even more pertinent today. There are all kinds of things Brunner gets wrong but very few of them are important...there are all kinds of things he gets right or mostly right and most of them are vital to the way we live today. This is science fiction at its best...painting a dystopian vision and making you t...more

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Jun 27, 2011

Simon rated it

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My first John Brunner novel and, coming with many glowing reviews and being in the SF Masterworks series, I had high expectations. I really wanted to like this book but I have to say after completing it that I struggle to see what people see in it.

It didn't bode well from the outset when the narrative began with deeply fragmented chunks of info dumping, character introduction and scene setting. At the beginning, with no story to give these information fragments context, I could not g...more

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Mar 25, 2010

Bryan rated it

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A couple weeks have gone by, and I'm still thinking of this book. That's probably a good sign. I've finished other books in the time since, but I've spent more time mulling over Stand on Zanzibar. I think my original rating was perhaps a bit harsh, and I'll give it an extra star, so it's now sitting at 3.5 stars. Worth reading, but I won't be rereading it any time soon.

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Hmmm... I'll give this one 2.5 stars. Yes, it was a good book, and yes it was a great concept, but there ...moreA couple weeks have gone by, and I'm still thinking of this book. That's probably a good sign. I've finished other books in the time since, but I've spent more time mulling over Stand on Zanzibar. I think my original rating was perhaps a bit harsh, and I'll give it an extra star, so it's now sitting at 3.5 stars. Worth reading, but I won't be rereading it any time soon.

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Hmmm... I'll give this one 2.5 stars. Yes, it was a good book, and yes it was a great concept, but there was some big drawbacks as well that really hindered my enjoyment.

The book takes place in 2010, so it seemed like a good time to actually read this Hugo winning novel. I put it aside many times, but finally when I got to around page 400 the pace picked up and I was able to move pretty quickly until about page 580. Then the last 70 pages was tough slogging again.

PROs:
- great ideas about the future (overpopulation and the craziness that comes with it)
- really innovative way of arranging chapters
- superb worldbuilding - the reader really gets drawn into the setting and experiences it in a more direct, first-hand way

CONs:
- really annoying jargon that sounds 60-ish instead of modern 2010 (shiggy, codder, prodgie, poppa-momma). Made me cringe to read.
- pace really gets sacrificed in the first 400 pages for "context". I really understood the world Brunner built, but it felt like he was condescending ("you're probably slow to understand this future, so let's stop the narrative and give you yet more contextual details"). It got to the point of overkill, and added little to the novel. I should have treated them like the "deleted scenes" on the dvd, and went back to them after if I wanted.
- not an easy read. I enjoy a challenge, but this one is admittedly a bit of a monster. And I absolutely hated the party chapter - that almost made me abandon the book forever. At 30+ pages, this was the longest chapter in the book, and the absolutely most pointless. I didn't skim it, I read the whole thing and tried to connect the conversations to make sense of it. It wasn't worth the time I spent on it.

Recommendations
- go back to the early "context" chapter called "Read the Directions", and reread that about every 100 pages or so.
- skim some of the chapters that seem pointless (never skim the "continuity" however). Later, near the end, go back and reread the "tracking with closeups" and perhaps some of the "context" if you skimmed them.
- use wikipedia's page to get some details on what RUNG is, or Dahomalia, or Isola, or even MAMP.(less)

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The late John Brunner was perhaps as well known for much of his career in the US as in the UK. A leftwing activist, with particular connections to the peace movement, much of his best and most mature fiction is involved in a complex analysis of social trends and where they will take us--novels like Stand on Zanzibar which deals with overpopulation, among other things, and The Sheep Look Up, which ...more

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