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4.31  ·  Rating Details  ·  4,023 Ratings  ·  278 Reviews
Conversation in the Cathedral takes place in 1950s Peru during the dictatorship of Manuel A. Odria. Over beers and a sea of freely spoken words, the conversation flows between two individuals, Santiago and Ambrosia, who talk of their tormented lives and of the overall degradation and frustration that has slowly taken over their town. Through a complicated web of secrets an ...more
Hardcover, 704 pages
Published 2005 by لوح فکر (first published 1969)
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Roozbeh Estifaee
Sep 30, 2012 Roozbeh Estifaee rated it it was amazing
Fantastic! Fan-tastic! "Conversation in the Cathedral" was definitely a big work of art, a real masterpiece. It was the first book by Llosa that I read (after a suggestion by my friend, Moeen) and I'm now eager to read some more of his. It was none of a magic realism but yet a pure South-American way of story telling, with so many "stories" happening.
The book starts when Santiago Zavala, journalist, meets with his rich father's former chauffeur, Ambrosio, and they go to the bar "Cathedral" to ha
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Amir
Jul 14, 2015 Amir rated it really liked it
Shelves: novel
از درگاه لاکرونیکا سانتیاگو بی هیچ عشق به خیابان تاکنا مینگرد: اتومبیلها، ساختمانهای ناموزون و رنگباخته، چارچوب پر زرق و برگ پوسترها شناور در مه، نیمروز خاکستری. دقیقا در کدام لحظه پرو [تو بخوان امریکای لاتین] خود را به گا... داده بود؟


رمان اینطور شروع میشه. مرور رو همینجا میشد تموم کرد
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یوسا، کالبدشکاف دیکتاتوری

رمان گفتگو در کاتدرال حکایت سالهای دیکتاتوری ژنرال اودریا در سالهای دههی چهل و پنجاه پرو هست. سالهایی که تارهای دیکتاتوری تا مغز استخوان جامعه تنیده شده... خودش توی مصاحبهای گفته
خشونت رژ
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Aldo Ramírez
Apr 09, 2015 Aldo Ramírez rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is the best novel I’ve read in my 45 years of life. It is probably due to the fact that being Peruvian makes me feel deeply identified in it. I see it as a huge painting about the mentality and feelings of people in Peru and why not of people in many other countries in Latin America and probably around the world since the search of absolute power inevitably leads to corruption everywhere.
This is a huge painting and indeed the most memorable intent to reach a “Total Novel” that I witnessed.
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Ali
Jul 15, 2008 Ali rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
برخی از منتقدان این کتاب را برجسته ترین اثر یوسا میدانند.در این کتاب دو چیز بیش از هر چیز دیگر توجه خواننده را جلب میکند نخست وسعت دامنه ان و در بر گرفتن رویداد ها و شخصیت های متعدد است و دیگری ساختار پیچیده اش.زمینه کار یوسا در این رمان همچون اثار دیگرش بخشی از تاریخ معاصر پرو است که از دوران دیکتاتوری ژنرال اودریا (1948-56) تاحک.مت ویکتور بلائونده در اوایل 1960 را در برمیگیرد.
یوسا به جای آن که شخصیت دیکتاتور را محور اصلی داستان قرار دهد سراپای جامعه دیکتاتور زده را می کاود.جامعه ای که در آن هم
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Jim
Feb 24, 2014 Jim rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction, peru
If Mario Vargas Llosa, had never written anything else, Conversation in the Cathedral would by rights earn him the Nobel Prize for Literature. It is a hefty novel (600 pages or so), but it is worth spending the time reading.

The novel is set during the dictatorship of Manuel Odria (1948-1956). The major characters are Santiago Zavala, nicknamed Zavalita, and Ambrosio Pardo. The first is the eldest scion of a rich family that is well tied in with the dictator; the second, a black former chauffeur
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Emily
I must admit that I got off to a rocky start with Mario Vargas Llosa's Conversation in the Cathedral: after a dachshund is brutally clubbed to death in Chapter One* and a woman gets drugged and sexually assaulted in Chapter Two (by, moreover, sympathetic characters who don't ever seem quite to grasp the offensiveness of their actions), I was feeling a mite unfriendly toward the novel. By Chapter Three, though, I was reluctantly softening my stance, and by Chapter Four I was fully immersed in Var ...more
Ava
Aug 04, 2010 Ava rated it it was amazing

خواب چیز ِ خوبی ِ ، ولی خطرناک می شه اگر ندونی کی وقتش رسیده که بکنی ازش . ادامه اش یعنی ریاکاری و فریب. ادامه اش یعنی کابوس. یعنی درست روزی که راه می افتی به جایی بری. از میون آدم ها و خیابون های ِ آشنا می گذری. سر ِ چهار راه می ایستی . فکر می کنی. فکر می کنی که درست کی بود اون زمانی که خودت رو به گا دادی. و بعد از این بیداری دیگه چه معنایی با خودش داره؟ کابوس اومده و با تو ِ . همراه ات. و می دونی که حق داره.
بگرد دنبال ِ خودت اون جایی که وادادی. بگرد دنبال اون هیچی که تا این جا دنبالت دویده و
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Luís Blue Coltrane
With dogmatists or clever, the Peru will always screwed - Carlitos said. This country started badly and end badly. Like us, Zavalita.

Conversation in the Cathedral by Mario Vargas Llosa
Hossein
Jul 15, 2013 Hossein rated it it was amazing
Recommended to Hossein by: محفل رمان خوانی
یکی از بهترین کتابهایی که خونده م. گفتگوهای لایه ای که درست در جایی که داری کلافه میشوی بهت نشانه خوب می دهند و براحتی تو را تا آخر کتاب می کشانند.
این ها را درباره کتاب در محفل کتابخوانی نوشته بودم

کتاب خیلی خشن شروع می شود. فضای کثیف و فضای سگی شهر را می توانی بخوبی حس کنی. روزنامه نگاری که بعدن می فهمی که می توانسته یک مرفه نشین باشد گفتگویی را آغاز می کند با راننده و خدمتکارشان که این روزها برای کمی پول سگ ها را داخل گونی با چند ضربه چوب می کشد. و جالب اینجاست که این گفتگو را چقدر دوست می دار
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علی
Mar 28, 2007 علی rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: great-ones, novels
When ever I come to names such as “Liosa”, “Borges”, “Cortazar”, “Fuentes”... I wish I knew Spanish language, as I’m sure works by these authors would have a different aroma and melody in their own tongues. Liosa is, for me, one of the greatest story tellers, whose works give me deliciousness in Persian as well, (if it’s translated by Abdollah Kowsari, for example). Mario Bargas Liosa uses a highly sophisticated techniques with a very delicate language in multiple viewpoint, as if I’m listening ...more
Maricarmen Estrada M
Terminé la lectura de mi regordete ladrillo. Qué buena novela! Qué bien escrita! Detesté a muchos personajes, pero eso sólo lo puede hacer un gran escritor que logra envolverte irresistiblemente en su historia y despertar esa emotividad.
Son los años 60, en Lima, durante la dictadura de Odría. Aclaro esto, porque bien podría ser cualquier otro dictador latinoamericano, en alguno de nuestros países que han vivido esta experiencia política y social. Los atropellos, la manipulación de las "masas" a
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Dave
Nov 24, 2014 Dave rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
I started this book in 1988 (when I had more time). I gave up.

I picked it up again in 2008. I'm not sure I'm happy with that decision.

I read a fair amount, and I read some reviews. I don't know if I've ever read a novel where I felt that reviewers were so systematically full of shit. Further, I've plugged people for their ideas about this novel, and found their opinions sorely lacking. I think a lot of them faked it. I didn't. Here's what I think.

Yes, there is a set of interesting storylines her
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Diego
Nov 24, 2013 Diego rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Mi relación con este libro ha sido de amor-odio, a ratos embaucándome con los relatos del joven Zavalita y sus aventuras en la disidencia política del régimen Odriísta y a ratos sumergiéndome en el más profundo letargo de las hisorietas paralelas de Amalia, Trinidad, Trifulcio y el conchesumadre de turno. Me ha faltado el canto de un duro para sacar papel y boli y hacerme un croquis temporo-espacial de los personajes porque que nadie se equivoque, aquí el narrador no aclara nada, ¡no pardiez! qu ...more
نوشیار خلیلی
Nov 18, 2015 نوشیار خلیلی rated it it was amazing
از بهترین کتاب های یوسا. داستان بصورت گفتگوهای دو نفره بین شخصیت های مختلف در زمان های مختلف روایت میشه. خود داستان بسیار پرکششه و طبق سیاق مخصوص یوسا مساله کم کم روشن میشه. اگر بتونید چاپ قدیمی حوالی سال هفتادش رو پیدا کنید بهتره. چون بسیار سانسور شده.
Vit Babenco
Apr 13, 2015 Vit Babenco rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Conversation in the Cathedral is a story of decline and fall – deterioration of family, ultimate ruination of hopes and pursuits.
“The voice, the body are his, but he looks thirty years older. The same thin lips, the same flat nose, the same kinky hair. But now, in addition, there are purple bags on his eyelids, wrinkles on his neck, a greenish-yellow crust on his horse teeth. He thinks: they used to be so white. What a change, what a ruin of a man. He’s thinner, dirtier, so much older, but that’
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John Gurney
Apr 28, 2015 John Gurney rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A chance encounter at a dog pound brings two former acquaintances together. They go to a bar called the Cathedral where Santiago, son of a once rich and powerful government minister, and Ambrosio, his father's former chauffeur, talk. Santiago wants to know what role his father had in the murder of his former mistress, a one-time Lima showgirl with shadowy connections. This 1969 book is rightly famous because, though the flashback Point-of-View narrative style takes some getting used to, it is a ...more
Nick
Jun 29, 2011 Nick rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I've started this book several times before and have never been able to get very far. But this time I slowly got myself into its rhythm and enjoyed it. It certainly does have a lot to say about the search for personal identity in a corrupt world under a corrupt government which oppresses every attempt to proclaim a personal identity. In this case it's Peru in the 1950's, but one gets the sense that it could be aywhere, anytime. It's a masterwork of character development and, indeed, an example o ...more
David
Dec 23, 2015 David rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This is a big, well-structured book that reflects the 1950's of Vargas Llosa's native Peru. The title actually refers to a conversation betweean two main characters, Santiago and Ambosio and how their lives are intertwined in the power and politics of the day. Santiago, son a of a powerful family throws everything away to become a journalist. His stance stirs up issues in his family while, Ambrosio is a dark-skinned poor man who works as a driver for two rival men. Stir in the dictatorship, poli ...more
Ali Nazifpour
Oct 31, 2014 Ali Nazifpour rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
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This books follows a conversation in a bar called Cathedral. The conversation spans entire history of Peru as narrated by people who are engaged in politics, love, and paternal relationships. All of these narrations are interwoven, and sometimes the dialogues of different eras are woven together, but ultimately this is not a pretentious form of narration but makes the novel great because it emphasizes the inner relationship of past and present and the lives of different people. This novel could ...more
Ivana
Jun 18, 2012 Ivana rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A book that changed the world, and it continues to do so. At first, I was concerned; I kept hearing just how difficult it is to read. To a certain extent, it was challenging because one sentence intertwines people, decades, events....but even so, once you get the "hang" of the narrative, you can't put it down. I think Mario Vargas Llosa achieved the something I believed wasn't possible- to summarize an entire history of Peruvian (and Latin American in general)society, its problems, turbulent pas ...more
Mehdi khani
May 17, 2010 Mehdi khani rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
بعید می دانم که پس از صد سال تنهایی رمانی زیباتر از این در ادبیات آمریکای لاتین نوشته شده باشد.
سانتیاگو می گوید:بهترین چیز برای آدم همین است ،آمبرسیو،اعتقاد داشتن به حرفی که می زند و دوست داشتن کاری که می کند
جزم اندیش یا متفکر کلک پرو همیشه کنده است،این مملکت بدجوری شروع کرده و بدجوری هم تمام می کند.درست مثل ما ،زاوالیتا
Mohbobeh
Jul 17, 2010 Mohbobeh rated it it was amazing
شکوه این کتاب چنان مرا در خود گرفت که نمیتوان هیچ توصیفی برایش اینجا بنویسم. رمانی سرشار از درد ، رنج ،شادی ، عشق که البته با روایتی مدرن وذهنی پیچیده و خلاق بیان شده. ...more
Louise

Mario Vargas Llosa didn't make it easy. I read chapters 2 (rather disturbing) and 3 three times. I finally got my bearings by reading another reviewer's review.

It doesn't take long to figure out the Cathedral is a bar, but figuring out that Santiago Zavilita (also called Skinny by his family) and Ambrosio are the speakers takes a bit longer. Longer yet is the placing the other characters and getting used to the format. The best way to envision the conversation is thinking of a movie with the par
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Victoria Kellaway
I wish Goodreads allowed you to give a book six stars. This is the best novel I have read in years. It required a bit of concentration at first but once I realised what was happening (the clue is in the title) I was hooked. It took a while to read but that was only because it was so rich, I didn't want to miss a thing. By the end I was flying through faster than I would have liked. Conversation in The Cathedral is a book about life, as the best books always are, told in the way life is told. Hal ...more
Mehdi Zandpoor
Oct 05, 2012 Mehdi Zandpoor rated it it was amazing
یکی از شاهکارهایی که خواندهام.جمع کردن این همه شخصیت و کنترل داستانهای مختلف و خطوط موازی در زمانهای مختلف البته با ترجمهی درخشان عبداله کوثری.
بعد از خواندن این رمان است که متوجه میشویم ساخت فیلمهایی مثل آمروروس پروس و سینمای آمریکای جنوبی ادامهی خط سیری است که ریشه در ادبیات این منطقه دارد....


سالهایی که در هم آمیخت،زاوالیتا،زندگی پیش پا افتادهی روز و یکنواختی شب، آبجو، روسپیخانه.داستانها، مقالهها.فکر میکند، اینقدر کاغذ که میتوانستی تا آخر عمر خودت را باهاشان پاک کنی.گفتگو در نگرونگرو، یکشنبهها
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Claudia Serbanescu
Jul 06, 2016 Claudia Serbanescu rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
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Orice ce as scrie despre aceasta carte ar exprima prea putin din delectarea ce mi-a provocat-o lectura ei. O capodopera a unui romancier mai presus de orice elogiu.
Daca la inceput m-a intrigat ideea scriitorului de a intercala povestile (chiar cate 3-4 pe pagina sau intr-o fraza!), stilul si povestile acestui roman m-au captivat intr-atat incat aproape ca nu m-a interesat altceva in cele unsprezece de zile in care m-am devotat lecturii lui.
Urmeaza o perioada Llosa in programul meu de lectura, c
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Yasmin
Nov 25, 2015 Yasmin rated it it was amazing
I am so glad I talked myself into reading this book. It honestly had "everything". There was drama, politics, romance, unexpectedness, you name it. It was the first time I read a book like this, the literature and the way of story telling was quite amusing. It needed more attention than the other books, kinda like a physics text book you know? You need to learn this "thing" here, cuz later on you will be needing it to understand that other thing. I am so happy about reading it, and kinda sad for ...more
Lia
Apr 23, 2013 Lia rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
It is definitely one of the books that you don't forget: the complexity and unfolding of characters, the play with time and points of view, the interlacing of dialogues. Even the punctuation, the use of direct and indirect speech made reading this novel and exciting adventure. Several different stories in the first two parts and then the pieces of the puzzle fall in place.
I feel that even if I read a few books on the history of Peru I wouldn't have learnt so much about the politics and the peop
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Angela
Aug 21, 2008 Angela rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
An absolutely fascinating novel, not easy to read, but captivating...An introspective ”view” in Santiago*s self-becoming...It treats about political and social problems with an enormous sense of justice and objectivism...It deals also with strong feelings (such as love and hate)presented in an unique light - normal, without any exagerations...It speaks honestly about a ”wild” society, haunted by diverse interests...At last, but not at least, it*s a book of SURVIVAL...A MASTERPIECE!
Ruben Malvaez
May 28, 2014 Ruben Malvaez rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"Ninguna otra novela me ha dado tanto trabajo; por eso, si tuviera que salvar del fuego una sola de las que he escrito, salvaría ésta". MVL '98.
La mejor obra que he leído - y muy posiblemente que leeré -. No hay más.
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