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There Will Be Dragons (The Council Wars #1)

3.95 of 5 stars 3.95  ·  rating details  ·  3,013 ratings  ·  111 reviews
In the future there is no want, no war, no disease nor ill-timed death. The world is a paradise-and then, in a moment, it ends. The council that controls the Net falls out and goes to war. Everywhere people who have never known a moment of want or pain are left wondering how to survive. But scattered across the face of the earth are communities which have returned to the n ...more
Paperback, 746 pages
Published June 18th 2006 by Baen Books (first published 2003)
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7th out of 33 books — 12 voters
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I cannot escape post-apocalyptic sword & sorcery series. I started There Will Be Dragons because it was a free download and I've read a few of Ringo's collaborations (always as the junior partner), so I had no idea what it was before I began reading.

I like the concept: 45th century society abruptly regresses from "We are as gods, and might as well get good at it", but for some silly reason they all regress to vaguely medieval technology -- lots of reenactors and muscle-powered recreational f
Becky Fowler
I really wanted to like this book. Imagine a society with no real hunger, poverty or war where the bottom suddenly drops out and people find themselves in a world for which they have no relevant skills. It sounds fascinating!

Sadly, that is not the book that was delivered. The entire book seems to have been written by a hormonal and socially-awkward teenage boy. The female characters, especially, are one-dimensional and more objects of male sexual desire than anything else. Well, that and as a ve
OMIGAWD this is the worst, most disturbing book I've tried to read in years. Maybe decades, and I've barely lived three of those. I loved the idea for the book, and was prepared to even suspend disbelief for the mega stupid things that you just have to accept--like it's supposed to be 2,000 years and more into the future... and people still talk about disco.
What. The. Fuzz.
I tried. I kept my mouth shut. And THEN it went crazy on me. Ringo shows rapes and near rapes of women he carefully mention
Catherine Faber
Oh RETCH! This is terrible. Author never bothered to think through implications of his technology*, nor to research supposed basic "problem" in the real world**. Book is seriously degrading to women and to top it all off, the author flung away his chance at redeeming himself with a satisfying ending in order to have a(nother) pointless battle between two Manly Men.

If you're a jingoistic 15 year old boy, comforted by seeing women abused and degraded, you'll love it. I'm not any of those things, a
Lauren Donley
I love this author and find his creations in this series to be a very unique combination of Science Fiction and Fantasy. I was drawn to the characters and constantly wanting to know what will happen next. Bast the elf is my favorite character. I highly disagree with many of the reviews and comments about abuse of women and holes in technological explanations many of which I think are addressed in the next 3 books. I also liked some of the quirky current time language and sayings he adds which I ...more
I have read Ringo's stuff in anthologies so i figured it'd be sc-fi dragons. umm there were no dragons well ok, 1. and we didn't even get to talk with her. so the title is a big fat lie and the cover is also a big fat lie this is not a fantasy's a sci-fi book with medieval tendencies.

I read the other reviews of the book and was very surprised by the claims of this book being hateful towards women.

There are a ton of books where women are not the main characters and are just stereotypes, t

It had a good premise! I find post-apocalyptic fantasy to always been a bit interesting.

There are so many problems with the way Mr. Ringo took his story.

1) While there are some people who to be expected, don't very much like the fact that they have to work and expend themselves to survive, I feel it's treated fairly lightly. I find it hard that a mass of people who for many Generations have had no reason to do anything except what they wanted to, to roll over so easily. Yes, there would be so
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Marc Jentzsch
Jul 20, 2012 Marc Jentzsch rated it 2 of 5 stars
Recommends it for: sci fi fans who are also survivalists
Recommended to Marc by: the cover, rawr
Shelves: fantasy
I really wanted to like this book, but it quickly devolved into a weird soup of survivalist-porn with extremely ham-fisted political overtones and a narrative distaste for women. I don't mind a book with a message, even if it's one I disagree with, but I want it to be an invitation to ponder the subject using the story as case, even in my pulp novels (see Joseph Conrad or Sir ACD).

I'd say that maybe I'm just being overly sensitive, but I got the same vibe from another other book by Ringo that I
"In the future there is no want, no war, no disease nor ill-timed death. The world is a paradise — and then, in a moment, it ends. The council that controls the Net falls out and goes to war. Everywhere people who have never known a moment of want or pain are left wondering how to survive. "

Historical re-enactors and Society of Creative Anachronism types are best suited for survival & start to rebuild society.

It's a bit of a slow-starter, as the Fall doesn't happen until about a fifth of the
May 24, 2008 Lisa rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Lisa by: Myles B
Shelves: 2008
I actually enjoyed this book much more than I thought I would. The themes are revealed almost immediately and aren't terribly original, so after the introduction I thought perhaps I wouldn't like it. However, once the book got going, the writing was good enough, and the characters interesting enough, that it really kept me interested. There were spots throughout the book where an editor could have helped clean up some sentence structure. I loved the surprise at the end--in a reversal of many sto ...more
Nitu Ushi
A wonderful romp in a science fiction / fantasy realm.
The entire premise of this book and it's series seems to stem from Clark's third law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
When an incredibly advanced earth is stripped of it's science then all that is left is magic to the survivors. It is this magic that they use to fight a war, to protect their homes and loved ones, and to try to reestablish the paradise lost.
In my humble opinion one of the best science f
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In the future there is no want, no war, no disease nor ill-timed death. The world is a paradise-and then, in a moment, it ends. The council that controls the Net falls out and goes to war. Everywhere people who have never known a moment of want or pain are left wondering how to survive. But scattered across the face of the earth are communities which have returned to the natural life of soil and small farm. In the village of Raven's Mill, Edmund Talbot, master smith and unas

Mar 13, 2009 Ron rated it 4 of 5 stars
Shelves: milfic
Imagine a sci-fi story that suddenly creates a true fantasy world, with intelligent dragons, unicorns, orcs, elves and no gun powder. That's what happens in There will be dragons.

Now you've got a whole different kind of post apocalyptic story.

I enjoyed this books so much I read the whole series on my Kindle (available from Baen webscriptions for free BTW) in less than a week.
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Very good read and a very interesting scenario. Not a very deeply written book but it makes you think.
Ralph McEwen
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A solid, if flawed, post apocalyptic sci-fi/fantasy. Not great, but I started enjoying it about half way through.
A number of reviews whine on about the "degradation of women" or similar sentiments. Frankly, I found little of that in my reading. Others complained that it turned into a "wet dream for re-enactors," which I will regrettably concede. My own biggest complaint was that Edmond's attempts to build a nearly democratic republic in a society hovering o the brink of starvation were wildly m
This has always been my favorite of John Ringo's series. I think part of that is because he can't indulge in gun porn the way he likes to. He still manages to wax rhapsodic on the 2nd Amendment (US Constitution), but without the guns it's not that bad.

The book is pretty easy to read, but it's not dumbed down. He has a tendency to use uncommon words in some places to describe something that it would be more appropriate to use a simple word (ie. "titian" to describe reddish hair). Thanks to the ki
Anastasia (Here There Be Books)
-- Originally reviewed at Here There Be Books on July 9, 2009. --

This is one of those instances where a cover does not reflect what's going on inside the actual book. Going by this horrible thing, you'd think There Will Be Dragons is a high fantasy swords-and-sorcerers affair with some scantily clad women traipsing throughout. But you'd be wrong. Yes, there are swords. And yes, there is some "fantasy" elements involved, except they're not really fantasy and more super-technological science-y...t
Nix Gerit
It has been quite a while since a badly written book found its way into my clutches. At times I got lost because the story was warped elsewhere without stating the progress. Some parts weren't very well described, some parts sometime contradicted each other.
At some places it wasn't the pinnacle of logic and characters often did things way more difficultly when it surely could have been done more easily and with more precise results. Some things felt very improbable and overpowered, though that i
This is, in essence, the "origin story" of a typical fantasy world, complete with explanations in future-tech terms of magic, faerie creatures, the lack of firearms, the reason all the "bad guys" are subhuman, and on and on. We have character formations for the evil witches and wizards, as well as the reluctant heroes of the story... I found it utterly compelling and was dismayed to reach the end of the story. (So hooray that it's a series!)

The book is heavy on the worldbuilding, and the first s
Die Menschen im 41. Jahrhundert brauchen nicht mehr zu arbeiten und haben alles, was sie brauchen. Eine fast allmächtige Steuerinstanz verwaltet die verfügbare Energie und teilt sie zu. Krankheiten gibt es nicht mehr, der menschliche Körper kann fast nach Belieben verändert werden - Utopia.
Die Welt wird von einem Rat regiert, der auch die Macht über die "Mutter" genannte Kontrollinstanz hat (der Name "Mutter" ist insofern vielsagend, als auch Kinder nicht mehr von Frauen geboren werden, sondern
It took me over a year to chip away at this book. I. AM. FINISHED.

Firstly I would like to point out that the cover and title, apply to approximately one paragraph, maybe two, of anything that actually happens in the book. Be not mislead fellow readers.

For me, the issues with this book is that there were three separate stories taking place that don't mesh well. Firstly you have "Mother" a giant AI that controls EVERYTHING. And yet in the business of keeping the world going, humans are precious ye
A fun series that is both sci-fi and fantasy. Set in the future and the explanation for everything is (very) advanced technology, but civilization regresses to a primarily pre-industrial level due to a fallout within the ruling body. However, due to the technology that had been available, it is a world that includes dragons, wyverns, merpeople, and other fantastical creatures. The series details the attempt to rebuild some kind of civilization after complete global collapse and the war between t ...more
This book was not bad; it was just really boring. The world ends not with a bang but with a whimper. What follows is about 600 pages of people setting up a society with pre-industrial technology. They have some mild adventures along the way, but there is a lot of the author, John Ringo, holding forth on tyranny, despotism, and gun rights. A lot of the characters are lifted whole cloth from Ringo's previous series, the Posleen books. The bad guys are really really bad; there is not a lot of moral ...more
I didn't finish the book, but through no fault of my own. The site I was reading it at won't let me read it anymore. The reason I didn't like this book was that I felt it was demeaning to women, for various reasons, but I will only mention one. A female character speaks about how horrible it is for women to have babies physically, instead machines should bear and give birth to babies; at least that's the way the author writes about it in his book.
For one thing the author does not know anything a
This book was surprisingly good. Set in a future complete with nanotechnology and AIs, it still manages to be mostly a fantasy yarn. Usually I consider a fantasy genre story fantasy only if it contains magic, otherwise it's an alternate history. Hence my disappointment with Game of Thrones...I don't like alternate histories. In this book, the place of magic is taken by the science of the future, and it works very well. I can't think of another book that does this.

My only previous contact with th
I wrote an incredibly long review but Goodreads ate it and I'm definitely not up to write all of that again. So, summing up, a fast read and a page turner, set in a world where science has become quasi-magic and suddenly fails, leaving people to rebuild society around Renaissance faires and reenactor camps.

The setting is interesting, though it can be annoying that all the wonderful things that are set-up in the first fifth of the book are then suddenly destroyed and dismissed (in the beginning
In a future where technology has made life easy for mankind, a war between two factions on the ruling council drains the power that runs everything. Mankind is plunged into a world where there is no food, no transport, no medical nanotechnology, no changing one's form, no help at all and only they can save themselves. Some choose to rise to the challenge and build a new society and some, of course, choose to prey on the weak as the world falls back to a feudal system last seen in the dark ages.

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John Ringo is a prolific author who has written in a wide variety of genres. His early life included a great deal of travel. He visited 23 foreign countries, and attended fourteen different schools. After graduation Ringo enlisted in the US military for four years, after which he studied marine biology.

In 1999 he wrote and published his first novel "A Hymn Before Battle", which proved successful.
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Other Books in the Series

The Council Wars (4 books)
  • Emerald Sea (The Council Wars, #2)
  • Against the Tide (The Council Wars, #3)
  • East of the Sun, West of the Moon (The Council Wars, #4)
A Hymn Before Battle (Posleen War, #1) Gust Front (Posleen War, #2) Live Free or Die (Troy Rising, #1) Citadel (Troy Rising, #2) When the Devil Dances (Posleen War, #3)

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