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Soccernomics: Why England Loses, Why Germany and Brazil Win, and Why the U.S., Japan, Australia, Turkey--and Even Iraq--Are Destined to Become the Kings of the World's Most Popular Sport
Why do England lose? Why does Scotland suck? Why doesn’t America dominate the sport internationally...and why do the Germans play with such an efficient but robotic style?
These are questions every soccer aficionado has asked. Soccernomics answers them.
Using insights and analogies from economics, statistics, psychology, and business to cast a new and entertaining light on h
...morePaperback, 336 pages
Published
October 27th 2009
by Nation Books
(first published January 1st 2009)
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Apr 02, 2012
Erich Franz Guzmann
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As soccer being my favorite sport, I was really hoping to like this a lot more than I actually did; and it did have some really interesting parts to it. A big problem it had in fact was it took way to long to actually get to those good parts. If it had kept in my favorite sections and cut the length of the book in half, I would be giving this book 5 stars easily. I can't complain too bad though, because I did get some enjoyment out of it and I did get some really interesting facts as well.
I'm not a mathematician, but I am a lover of 'the beautiful game', and I found this book really engrossing and read it quickly. It has a completely different way of looking at football from a socio-economical/mathematical angle, and made some really good points. I didn't agree with all of their arguments though, I thought the logic was flawed in places, but I loved the fresh perspective and occasional appearance of dry humour throughout the book. In several places it hits you with some truths wh...more
Interesting take on lots of stuff about soccer, and I learned a bunch of stuff, but I think some of the conclusions are flat-out wrong.
I think the authors tried to draw too many conclusions from a relatively small amount of knowledge of baseball and football. Many lessons have been learned since Moneyball (defense is valuable), and there's a lot more knowledge about football (running backs, not so much) than what was stated.
One chapter tried to argue that the NFL has no more parity than the EPL...more
I think the authors tried to draw too many conclusions from a relatively small amount of knowledge of baseball and football. Many lessons have been learned since Moneyball (defense is valuable), and there's a lot more knowledge about football (running backs, not so much) than what was stated.
One chapter tried to argue that the NFL has no more parity than the EPL...more
Simon Kuperin ja Stefan Szymanskin "Why England Lose: and Other Curious Football Phenomena Explained" (HarperCollins, 2009) on kiinnostava matka jalkapallon ja tilastojen maailmaan. Parivaljakon tarkoituksena on tarkastella erilaisia kuningaspeliin liittyviä, yleisesti totuuksina pidettyjä väittämiä ja uskomuksia, sekä tutkia erilaisiin tilastoihin turvautuen mahtavatko ne pitää lainkaan paikkaansa.
Kuperi ja Szymanski käsittelevät kirjassa mm. Englannin alisuorittamista (mitä se ei itse asiassa...more
Kuperi ja Szymanski käsittelevät kirjassa mm. Englannin alisuorittamista (mitä se ei itse asiassa...more
Inspired by Levitt's Freakonomics, Soccernomics is yet another book about ... wait ... it's the first book that tries to datamine everything about soccer (ahm, football.) Two authors with affinity for football and statistics have embarked in the eternal game of showing that you can prove anything you want with unverified data and faulty methods. Much as in the case of Freakonomics, I disliked the results: using the method of this work (regression of multiple rather thin and shaky datasets), you...more
This is a book in the Freakonomics, Moneyball genre, and it is quite good. These guys have a strong mastery of the sports end plus the math to back it up. They certainly make some great points about overpaying for veterans and the lack of professionalism in managing.
Though I suppose a good thing, I had my quibbles. It's another book claiming there is no more parity in the NFL than in the Premier League and top soccer, and that's nonsense. The same few teams win every year in soccer, and the fact...more
Though I suppose a good thing, I had my quibbles. It's another book claiming there is no more parity in the NFL than in the Premier League and top soccer, and that's nonsense. The same few teams win every year in soccer, and the fact...more
I’ll be honest I saw the review
“A blend of Freakanomics and Fever Pitch, bringing suprising economic analysis on the world’s most popular sport… a thught-provoking, often amysing read –Bloomberg News“
trumpeted on the cover of this book and I instinctively knew it would be a chore to like it. I quite enjoyed reading Fever Pitch and the less I say about Freakanomics the better. As with Freakanomics *sigh* it is puzzling if one is expected to read this as a scholar or as a popularization of a schol...more
“A blend of Freakanomics and Fever Pitch, bringing suprising economic analysis on the world’s most popular sport… a thught-provoking, often amysing read –Bloomberg News“
trumpeted on the cover of this book and I instinctively knew it would be a chore to like it. I quite enjoyed reading Fever Pitch and the less I say about Freakanomics the better. As with Freakanomics *sigh* it is puzzling if one is expected to read this as a scholar or as a popularization of a schol...more
Soccernomics is a statistical study of the world’s most popular sport in the vein of Steven Levitt’s bestseller Freakonomics. Authors Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski delve into soccer by abandoning all conventional wisdom about the sport and studying it strictly by the numbers. Because of their data-heavy approach, the majority of the book focuses on European soccer, because it is from European sources that their findings are most reliable.
The book is framed around several questions: Which coun...more
The book is framed around several questions: Which coun...more
Soccernomics is done in the style of "Freakanomics," but with a sports writer's eye for details and story. Having studied Statistics and Data Analysis, I know that all data and surveys results must be taken with a grain of salt. Although, the writers do have a persuasive arguement for how economics and location, strongly effect why certain countries continually do well in international competitions, and others continue to struggle.
One particular chapter I liked, discussed Game Theory, and how...more
One particular chapter I liked, discussed Game Theory, and how...more
This book gets a qualified five stars: if you don't care for international sports, or if popular economics holds no interest for you, then you probably won't care for Soccernomics. But if you, like I, have a fondness for The Professor (a.k.a Le Professeur a.k.a Arsene Wenger) because he is pretty much the living embodiment of the intersection between sports and economics, then you will love this book, too. Unsurprisingly, Wenger is lauded as one of Soccernomics' heroes, alongside Guus Hiddink, w...more
I do not know why Simon Kuper is regarded as one of soccer's most authoritative writers. His knowledge of German football is definetely limited. It seems to me that he takes data to try to prove his biased pre-formulated opinion. For example: Several facts he misstated about my hometown team. We are not in a small metropolitan area. Next to us are Düsseldorf and Cologne, very well connected. He mentions that we spend most of the decade (from 2009) in 2d division. That is not true. It was two yea...more
The first few chapters were quite enlightening and engaging. Some of the later chapters didn't capture my attention as well - the questions the authors asked weren't all that interesting and their statistical analysis lacked a sense that they were using good numbers and in the right way. For example, I'm just not convinced that the number of international games a country has played equates to a good measure of 'experience' in any meaningful sense. Playing a bunch of friendlies against podunk opp...more
Excellent football book, whose premise is to provide statistical background to why certain teams do well and others do not. The authors provide 3 factors why certain countries do well; tradition, wealth and population and guess what – England actually do as well as statistically they should be expected to do. This provide ammunition to my argument that the English media overhypes the team’s chances and should learn a little humility. Other surprising revelations included that World Cups actually...more
Jan 05, 2010
Benjamin
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3 of 5 stars
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Think of this book less as an illustration of how soccer works, and more as an introduction to what economists actually do, using soccer as a good illustration. Game theory comes to life when examined from the perspective of a player taking a penalty kick. The art of quantifying benefits to a community from taking a certain corse of action is demonstrated by looking at what a community actually gets from hosting a World Cup. And the challenge of creating a good model that will predict success is...more
The Freakonomics-esque approach to tackling the global soccer phenomenon worked, but I have contentions with the book and authors’ premises. I like books like Super Crunchers and Freakonomics that apply statistics and models to real-world situations. I enjoyed this for that same kind of readability and fascination, but it is not as strong as those books.
It is mentioned early by some English players that it is odd for a Manchester United vs. Liverpool rivalry not to have Liverpool or Manchester...more
It is mentioned early by some English players that it is odd for a Manchester United vs. Liverpool rivalry not to have Liverpool or Manchester...more
Soccernomics is a fantastic look at a soccer from a completely different point-of-view than you're probably used to seeing. Using statistical techniques like regression and massive amounts of old match results and other data related to both the classic and modern game of soccer, Kuper and Szymanski bring a new insight to how we think of the beautiful game. There are sections on national teams, club teams, and fans, and they all bring a style similar to Freakonomics and its look at different popu...more
This is a study into the economics of football. For example it looks at the business side of clubs, the relative success of international sides based on their populations, experience and wealth...
There were good things about this book:
* A few stories (i.e. the journalistic bits that presumably Simon Kuper wrote like the write-up of the Ajax and Barcelona academies)
* Interesting findings based on data (e.g. straight away it's mentioned that the inswinging corner to the near-post results in more g...more
There were good things about this book:
* A few stories (i.e. the journalistic bits that presumably Simon Kuper wrote like the write-up of the Ajax and Barcelona academies)
* Interesting findings based on data (e.g. straight away it's mentioned that the inswinging corner to the near-post results in more g...more
Every four years, with the coming of the World Cup, many new soccer books are released. The authors and publishers no doubt are hoping to capitalize on the sport's exposure to push sales. Soccernomics is not for the casual fan. The book delves very deeply into statistics behind the game. There is a lot of discussion of mathematical regression and very little anecdotal evidence, such as is seen in Jonathan Foerr's "How Soccer Explains the World." Also, the book focuses exclusively on continental...more
Frequently condescending, and I don't agree with some of the premises, or some of the biases, but I did enjoy some of the sections, particularly the ones about actual in-game statistics (regarding penalties, for example) rather than whether poor countries are better/worse at soccer. Also an interesting read when contemplating why a director of football would pay, oh, I don't know, £35 million for an underperforming player, sigh. I will say that one of the more ridiculous aspects of the book was...more
Really 3.5
Purports to sort of be "MoneyBall" for soccer. But it just doesn't quite work. The stats for soccer just don't quite make the same sort of sense as they do for baseball. The authors are a pair of economists.
Some interesting stats about penalty kicks and game theory; one could argue that shooters go left or right pretty much exactly as often as they "should."
We learn that a countries success in the World Cup can be well-predicted by 3 things: population size, GDP, soccer experience. A...more
Purports to sort of be "MoneyBall" for soccer. But it just doesn't quite work. The stats for soccer just don't quite make the same sort of sense as they do for baseball. The authors are a pair of economists.
Some interesting stats about penalty kicks and game theory; one could argue that shooters go left or right pretty much exactly as often as they "should."
We learn that a countries success in the World Cup can be well-predicted by 3 things: population size, GDP, soccer experience. A...more
Overall, a solid and interesting read. The really flimsy link they attempt to prove correlating lowered suicide rates with successful soccer teams is incredibly flimsy and far and away the worst chapter of the book.
Another thing that stood out: the authors spend a good portion of an early chapter arguing that managers at club teams are relatively unimportant, yet devote later chapters to the idea that national team managers from "core nations" (Germany, Netherlands, etc.) who export their socce...more
Another thing that stood out: the authors spend a good portion of an early chapter arguing that managers at club teams are relatively unimportant, yet devote later chapters to the idea that national team managers from "core nations" (Germany, Netherlands, etc.) who export their socce...more
A longer version of the following review can be accessed at: Why England Lose
I must confess that I entered upon the reading of Why England Lose with a heavy heart. Although I enjoyed the playful tone and sharp conclusions of Freakonomics, I found it to be a somewhat glib volume that exercised extreme selectivity with its data in order to “prove” its points. For the world of football to be afforded the same treatment by an economics profession that has largely lost touch with the real world, been...more
I must confess that I entered upon the reading of Why England Lose with a heavy heart. Although I enjoyed the playful tone and sharp conclusions of Freakonomics, I found it to be a somewhat glib volume that exercised extreme selectivity with its data in order to “prove” its points. For the world of football to be afforded the same treatment by an economics profession that has largely lost touch with the real world, been...more
This book styles itself early on as a soccer version of Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game, this is an ambitious target, that frankly it doesn't quite hit. This is more in the line of Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything for soccer. Still a very interesting read. I think that there are some arguments that are based on pretty thin factual evidence, but most are very well thought out and researched. One caveat is that the book is very focused on Britain...more
Marcelo and I got into a screaming fit last night over this book. I was trying to tell him some things that this book said and he didn't believe me. And so he started going off about how anyone can put ANYTHING in a book, and how you can't always believe what books say. (I think he was supposed to be talking about the Internet, but whatever). I think he was offended when I said that English Soccer owners run their clubs very unlike Americans. So the English almost never make money, but the Ameri...more
This is as much an introduction to economic thinking as it is to soccer. But it was interesting, and I highlighted the heck out of it (though because I read it on Kindle and not iBooks, it's harder to look back at my notes. iBooks is better).
An interesting stat that I wish were easier to track is how a team under/overperforms against expectations based on where matches are, experiences, GDP, size, etc. (Hint: US is a big underachiever).
Also very interesting to note how the network of soccer expe...more
An interesting stat that I wish were easier to track is how a team under/overperforms against expectations based on where matches are, experiences, GDP, size, etc. (Hint: US is a big underachiever).
Also very interesting to note how the network of soccer expe...more
This book combines several things I love: Soccer and Data.
If you love the game, you'll enjoy this book. If you love statistics and data, you'll also probably appreciate this book. If you don't like either, it's probably not the best book for you.
Kuper and Symanski do a great job using data to help understand the game--both historically and currently. It's an interesting read that isn't bogged down by numbers and offers very handy charts to help explain some data. It also provides very interestin...more
If you love the game, you'll enjoy this book. If you love statistics and data, you'll also probably appreciate this book. If you don't like either, it's probably not the best book for you.
Kuper and Symanski do a great job using data to help understand the game--both historically and currently. It's an interesting read that isn't bogged down by numbers and offers very handy charts to help explain some data. It also provides very interestin...more
The title tell you everything . The authors use statistics and data to answer some hot footie topics . Although there are a fair amount of of figures the authors have written a very funny book and debunk a lot of myths that are popular especially about English football .
There is a very funny chapter on why England are always knocked out in the quarter finals , we are basically crap and why Arsene Wenger did so well when he first arrived in England , because he used a lot of analysis for example...more
There is a very funny chapter on why England are always knocked out in the quarter finals , we are basically crap and why Arsene Wenger did so well when he first arrived in England , because he used a lot of analysis for example...more
Some fascinating number crunching for soccer fans and sociologists alike. A very thoughtful dissection, from a statistical and numerical standpoint, about how sports and society interact. I'd go three and a half stars (some passages are a bit dry, but overall it's very interesting), except there are a few moments where you wonder how thoroughly the accuracy has been checked. For example, when talking about Field of Dreams, they identify that unforgettable mantra as "If you build it, HE will come...more
Why England Lose is interesting and sometimes absorbing, especially the first half of the book when the authors incisively lampoon the way football clubs are run, but its second half is a little speculative, seeming to reach a conclusion and then working out stats that justify that conclusion. Any contradictions in the authors' reasoning are either glibly dismissed or simply ignored and I found its tone hectoring and smug towards the end. It is definitely worth reading, but this is no Moneyball...more
The quote on the cover sums it up: "A blend of Freakonomics and Fever Pitch, bringing surprising economic analysis to bear on the world's most popular sport." - Bloomberg News
The chapter on penalty kicks was outstanding, some others not so much.
A lot of the best parts of the book were seeming non-sequiturs relative to the primary push of the authors. Along with the question of penalty kicks, the authors whetted the appetite of the reader by touching on topics of discrimination in soccer, the ri...more
The chapter on penalty kicks was outstanding, some others not so much.
A lot of the best parts of the book were seeming non-sequiturs relative to the primary push of the authors. Along with the question of penalty kicks, the authors whetted the appetite of the reader by touching on topics of discrimination in soccer, the ri...more
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