Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism: The Belief System That Enables Us to Eat Some Animals and Not Others

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Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism: The Belief System That Enables Us to Eat Some Animals and Not Others

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In her groundbreaking new book, Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows, Melanie Joy explores the invisible system that shapes our perception of the meat we eat, so that we love some animals and eat others without knowing why. She calls this system carnism. Carnism is the belief system, or ideology, that allows us to selectively choose which animals become our meat, and...more

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Published November 15th 2009 by Conari Press (first published 2009)

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Nov 23, 2009 Lisa Vegan rated it 5 of 5 stars Recommends it for: psychology & philosophy classes; public health-health professionals; all thoughtful people

Shelves: animal-rights, non-fiction, philosophy, social-culture, psychology, reviewed, favorites, altta

As I read this book, I vacillated between saying to myself “well, duh!” and then thinking it was an exceptional book, one where this subject has never been written about before in this exact way. It’s a slim book but it contains a lot of food for thought.

I felt as though I were back in a college psychology class because my mind was being stimulated in just the way it was during some of those classes. It’s written in a very reader friendly manner and even though there’s a lot of terminology that...more

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Mar 24, 2011 Steve rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: vegan-philosophy

Dr. Melanie Joy is a psychologist and this book is about the psychology of using animals for food. Her main message is that using animals for food involves holding cultural beliefs that many people are not aware of.

The book is intelligent and respectful to all types of people. It illuminates why it is often hard for people to give up using animals for food despite the strongly negative ethical, health and environmental consequences involved. In this respect I think it is very useful for people...more

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I love reading books that don't preach to the choir about animal issues. This one's tone and language walk the fine line between the veg mindset and the carnist mindset, or I guess you could call it "neutral" or "middle of the road." I am much more likely to hand this book to a non-veg who "wants to know more" than I would one that is full of inflammatory rhetoric (even if I agree with every word).

Another commenter described the book as "graphic." I think that's a very interesting criticism, bec...more

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Jan 31, 2012 Gary rated it 1 of 5 stars

Shelves: food, vegetarianism, discussion

In Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism, vegetarian animal rights advocate Melanie Joy writes:[return][return]� We have a schema for every subject, including animals. An animal can be classified, for instance, as prey, predator, pest, pet, or food. How we classify an animal, in turn, determines how we relate to it� whether we hunt it, flee from it, exterminate it, love it, or eat it. Some overlap can occur between categories (an animal can be prey and food), but...more In Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism, vegetarian animal rights advocate Melanie Joy writes:[return][return]� We have a schema for every subject, including animals. An animal can be classified, for instance, as prey, predator, pest, pet, or food. How we classify an animal, in turn, determines how we relate to it� whether we hunt it, flee from it, exterminate it, love it, or eat it. Some overlap can occur between categories (an animal can be prey and food), but when it comes to meat, most animals are either food, or not food. In other words, we have a schema that classifies animals as edible or inedible.� [return][return]While I wish Joy would have said � prey, predator, pest, pet, or � protein� � to complete the alliteration and perhaps even added � person� to include the fellow humans within the scope of analysis, the biggest issue I have with this book is that it never really explores the paradoxes of this paragraph, never really describes the biological, anthropological, and sociological roots of this near universal human cognitive adaptation to categorize animals into such groupings.[return] How have present and past human cultures categorized various animal species, especially in the course of the development of domestication? [return] How does this categorization relate to the representation of specific animal species in the symbolism of religion, mythology, and folklore? [return] How do other primates and other animals seem to categorize animals based upon field research and behavioral testing? [return] When humans de-humanize each other, what categories of animals are evoked? [return] What does archaeological evidence seem to indicate to be the order of development of these different categories in the history of human culture? [return] What does research indicate about our history as scavengers, as hunter-gatherers, and as agriculture and industrialization emerged? What were past human transitions of diet associated with and how has animal categorization changed over time? [return] What is similar and different between the intuitive categorizations of animals and groupings of edible and inedible plants? [return] How does this categorization relate to essentialism and other aspects of human intuitive biology? [return] How have these adaptations related to human survival and proliferation over the course of human history? [return]Perhaps good questions, but these are not ones the author explorers in this book.[return][return]Joy does briefly discuss the eating of dogs in the Korean culture and other atypical categorizations, but for the most part, the biological questions raised by the title of this book go unanswered. In Hume� s Is-Ought divide, Joy is solely on the � ought� side. While the title of the book seems to indicate relevance with scientific work on the � is� side and work on this topic in evolutionary psychology is long due, never does Joy explore the anthropologically and culturally deep human journey of the categorization and domestication of other animal species. She only, albeit without much dogmatic and high-minded ethical pronouncement, seems to indicate simplistically, in a philosophically blank slate kind of way, that we, now in the twenty-first century, ought not be domesticating animals for consumption.[return][return]Domesticated bovines are treated horribly in our industrialized society. As are pigs. And poultry. And fish. And more. We� ve known this since Upton Sinclair� s The Jungle. Yet we seem to continue to hide from ourselves its truths in our supermarketed modern lifestyles. The fact that we, as modern humans, systematically distance ourselves from awareness of the breeding, fattening, and slaughter of these animals seems to indicate an inconsistency in our belief system. Frankly, many, it seems, prefer a good, juicy cheeseburger and avoidance of a bit of distasteful cognitive dissonance over consilience in our understanding of how we (often cruelly) relate to other animal species.[return][return]We've long been omnivorous. Yet we have theory of mind and empathize with the sufferings of others. Now there's a dilemma.[return][return]Despite the title of this book, Joy doesn� t explore. One would think there� s some interesting anthropological research, some actual work, worth doing.[return][return]Why we love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows?[return][return]Joy offers no hypothesis.[return][return]She simply presents the case that our beliefs are inconsistent. Well, obviously they are. And they have long been. [return][return]But why?[return][return]Joy asks the question. But never answers it.[return][return](This book review was done in participation of the LibraryThing Early Reviewer program: http://www.librarything.com/er/list)(less)

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Nov 07, 2012 Jesse De Angelis rated it 1 of 5 stars

Shelves: food-writing, essays-and-criticism, cultural-studies

This book is kind of a mess. It's filled with baseless generalizations, poorly cited data, and spends most of its length talking not about what the title promises, but rather an attack on industrialized animal agriculture.

The book starts out with a "thought experiment" - you're at a dinner party, when the host suddenly reveals the delicious stew you're eating is made of dog. Clearly, you are horrified. If you're not, well, the author doesn't know what to do, so she offers this footnote, dismiss...more This book is kind of a mess. It's filled with baseless generalizations, poorly cited data, and spends most of its length talking not about what the title promises, but rather an attack on industrialized animal agriculture.

The book starts out with a "thought experiment" - you're at a dinner party, when the host suddenly reveals the delicious stew you're eating is made of dog. Clearly, you are horrified. If you're not, well, the author doesn't know what to do, so she offers this footnote, dismissing anyone on the other side of the issue whose views are different from how she imagines them: "Although some individuals may be intrigued rather than repulsed at the idea of eating dogs, in the United States these people represent a minority, and this book describes the experiences of Americans in general."[12] Ugh.

later, in a bizarrely formatted side bar, she quotes but doesn't contextualize or really investigate an article published by the Telegraph , which discusses the dog meat trade in South Korea. In the same side bar, she presents the comments of "bloggers" - meaning people who commented on an article on the ASPCA's website. The inclusion of the comments is pretty odd, since they don't exactly add anything to the discussion, although the author claims "the bloggers give voice to what many people feel when they become aware of animal cruelty."[69] Apparently, these feelings include a bunch of racism:

"[I]'ve seen cruelty from all around the world, but the far east is truly shocking in its attitude towards animals...why is this? [M]y theory is cos [sic] they know the enlightened west generally gives dogs/cats the respect they deserve, and their backward societys[sic] are unwilling to catch up." [70]

The author never comments on this after quoting it, which is obviously a little problematic. Are we supposed to be like "woah, even racists care about dogs/cats," or is this being presented as a reasonable response to eating animals? Either way, ugh. Also, none of the authors/"bloggers" of these comments are actually listed in the notes at the end of the book, only the main article that it seems like they are commenting on; this is pretty lazy and potentially confusing for readers.

Also anyone who compares the [totally horrible] conditions of factory farms or the eating of meat to actual genocide is a dishonest asshole, so there's that.

If you're interested in meat eating/the meat industry, there are better books out there, many of which the author quotes liberally from. Check out Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser or The Omnivore's Dillema by Michael Pollan, and if you're in the mood for a radical take on the ethics of eating meat, check out The Sexual Politics of Meat by Carol J. Adams. If you want to read the book that actually goes with the title of this one, though, I'm not sure what to suggest.
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Aug 05, 2012 David rated it 3 of 5 stars

I admit, I ran through this book, in the hopes of finding anything new. Having had the experience of farms, not the modern type of factory farm, but the kind where I knew all of the cattle on sight and got frightened by the chickens when I went to gather eggs (there is something creep to me about being surrounded by several hundred chickens), there is little about this book that rings true for me. Sadly, the vast majority of Americans are far removed from the source of their food both animal and...more

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Jul 07, 2012 Elizabeth marked it as to-read

"Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism."
Presented by author and social psychologist Dr. Melanie Joy.

In her captivating slide show, Dr. Joy explains carnism, the invisible belief system that shapes our perception of the meat we eat, so that we love some animals and eat others without knowing why.

7:00pm until 9:00pm May 5, 2012,
First Unitarian Church of Portland Oregon
1211 SW Main Street, Portland, OR 97205

Dr. Joy, a longtime activist for social and environmental...more

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Mar 12, 2012 Sarah Armstrong rated it 3 of 5 stars

You know when a book starts with a scenario that involves a host at a dinner party serving “golden retriever meat,” you are in for an interesting ride. This book examines your typical issues…the meatpacking and slaughter industry and its effects…but also examines why we find it okay to eat cows and pigs but not other animals. If you are on the fence with your thoughts to eating meat, this will definitely pull you to the vegetarian side. This book raised a lot of thoughts in me that I think I was...more

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Jan 03, 2012 Rebecca rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: general-nonfiction

Although it's interesting that Joy chose to combine the current research on the food industry with psychological and anthropological research, she takes what could have been a sound argument for a more humane food system and pushes beyond that into overblown rhetoric. On the internet, Godwin's Law would have shut this book down before Joy had gotten even half way. To claim that a food source is somehow comparable to Nazism and the Holocaust, slavery, or misogyny is simply wrong, and does a disse...more

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Aug 22, 2011 Leanne rated it 3 of 5 stars

The psychology seems sound enough, and it's nice to know that I'm not crazy for not eating meat! However, I wish the author had spent a bit of time talking about the people who are aware of animal suffering, etc., but who don't care and don't seem to use any cognitive defenses in order to maintain this non-caring attitude. Some of these people would not be considered sociopaths or psychopaths, because they are kind to other people, but they never give animal suffering a second thought. How can t...more

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Dec 28, 2010 Keith Akers rated it 4 of 5 stars

This is a simple, straightforward answer to the question implied by the title: why do we love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows? It's about psychology, actually social psychology. Melanie Joy actually is a social psychologist, and has used her expertise to focus in non-technical language on a question that is not only baffling to a lot of people, but of great social relevance. This is an ideal use of her gifts.

It's obvious to vegetarians that society's attitudes towards animals are inconsistent, bu...more

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Jul 03, 2010 Kate Lawrence rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: food-issues, psychology

Ideally qualified to investigate the mindset that permits humans to mistreat and eat so-called "food" animals while lavishing love and expensive veterinary care on dogs and cats, the author is a social psychologist and professor of psychology. She describes the suffering not only of the factory farmed animals, but of slaughterhouse workers, people living near factory farms who become ill because of the factories' waste products, omnivores who consume a variety of pesticides, hormones, deadly vir...more

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Jul 28, 2010 Tracy rated it 5 of 5 stars

The book explores the psychology behind eating meat, which goes beyond simply being raised to eat meat.

The author examines the ways that animal agribusiness, and society as a whole, prevent people from questioning and changing their behavior.

Melanie Joy coins a new term to describe meat-eaters: carnists. These are people who _choose_ to eat animals.

The book, though, doesn't criticize carnists. In fact, it's written for them, for people who haven't escaped animal agribusiness's mind-hold.

But vege...more

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Dec 11, 2010 Tierney rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: nonfiction

This book changed my life. Though I was familiar with many of the facts presented in the book (the perils of factory farming, etc.), I had no idea just how much cruelty and torture is endured by most of the animals who become our meat. Nor did I have any clue how intelligent and sensitive many "livestock" animals really are (especially pigs). As an animal lover, and a meat lover, I felt very conflicted while reading. But the author effectively points out the absurdity of our cultural attitudes t...more

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Aug 24, 2012 Bustagroovy rated it 4 of 5 stars

As the the title suggests, this goes into detail about why people are happy to have some animals killed but not others. I've read loads of real life animal horror stories but found this angle curious so gave it a look.

The most interesting thing for me were the interviews with slaughterhouse workers, butchers and of course everyday consumers. After breaking down all the myths and meat industry propaganda about protein, religion, taste and tradition, as well as health problems caused (cholesterol,...more

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Feb 09, 2010 Cristina rated it 5 of 5 stars

Have you ever wondered why we think differently about certain animals? Why do "we" think it's OK to eat a pig or a cow but shudder at the very thought of eating the family dog? Read this book and find out. And then ask yourself...why do we need to eat animals at all? Why don't we, as a society, view and treat all animals with the same love and respect that we shower upon our beloved family pet? A very thought provoking book that asks you to look inward to yourself and question the very way you w...more

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Apr 12, 2012 Lucinda rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: non-fiction

This is a pretty persuasive book on why one would/ should choose to become a vegetarian. Some of her arguments are pretty extreme and would probably turn some people off of her message (she likens the meat industry in the US to the holocaust, for instance) but overall there is a lot of sense to what she is saying.
Melanie Joy has a phd in Psychology and her approach is one that examines the mechanisms that we have constructed to ignore the violences of eating meat. She identifies this as an ideo...more

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May 20, 2013 Marcia rated it 4 of 5 stars

It read like a thesis which it was based on so I didn't enjoy the overall read of this book. But that being said, what was written hit very close to home. While, I would never have thought this thoroughly about this topic, the disconnect we have from the violence of the factory farm industry and our seemingly, innocent enjoyment of the result of this violence is fascinating. I, for one, had this disconnect growing up the daughter of a butcher and the realization was astounding to me, especially...more

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Dec 16, 2011 Kathryn rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: food, animals, carnism, psychology, animal, rights, social, justice, 2010

My first impression of this book is that I need to re-think my diet. I am a carnivore, and I don't feel apologetic about this. However, descriptions of how animals are treated by the industrial food complex were stomach-turning, to say the least. In the past year I have searched for meat sources that provide more humanely raised and slaughtered products; I'm willing to pay more. However, there are limited sources for this. This book will make a reader uncomfortable and force some contemplation,...more

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Nov 13, 2012 Molly rated it 2 of 5 stars

I would have rated it higher if she used less Holocaust references to animal rights x__x 'speciesist' or not it makes me incredibly uncomfortable the way people throw around these movements in their arguments. It feels very "racism/anti-semetism/sexism is OVER!!!" (which it's not) as well as demeaning to the people who suffered and still suffer at these social prejudices.
I did appreciate the author really going into the suffering of human workers in the meat industry though. It's so overlooked...more

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Feb 18, 2010 Peacegal rated it 4 of 5 stars

A significant contribution to the dialog on animal protection, Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows seeks to answer a fundamental question that has alternately fascinated and frustrated me for many years: How can most Americans fret over Fluffy's runny nose and weep over Bambi's mom while simultaneously supporting and defending the flagrant abuse of billions of farm animals by the meat industry?

While no book may be able to indisputably define humans' complicated and contradictory relationsh...more

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Apr 27, 2013 Autumn rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: ar, book-club

The most valuable part of this book for me was recognizing that carnism is the dominant paradigm not because it's "natural" or correct, but because every aspect of our society legitimizes it --from medical/political/religious authorities to cultural norms--and hides the ugly truths from us, so we're complacent and never consider there's an actual philosophy behind the way we eat. That's why societal change is so difficult -- first we have to identify and name the invisible ideologies we all just...more

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Jul 20, 2012 Eugenia rated it 2 of 5 stars

I was hoping it would be more about the psychology of meat-eaters, but was disappointed to find that more than half of the book focused on how awful factory farming is and the effects of animal products on our health and the environment. It IS important information for those who have never heard it, but not for a vegetarian who has already read the books that the author was quoting and who doesn't need to be convinced. Some parts definitely were of interest, but as a whole, it would probably be...more

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Aug 02, 2011 Robin rated it 1 of 5 stars

This book portrays itself as a book on the psychology behind which animals we eat and which we don't. It did that for about two chapters. Then it launched into a liberal diatribe on the evils of the meat industry in the U.S. I felt tricked. And sickened. Supposedly, the book evolved from her Ph.D. dissertation in psychology. If a work like this can be accepted for a dissertation, I don't want to interact with any psychologists who graduated from the same school.

If the author wanted to write a po...more

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Apr 20, 2012 Linda Riebel rated it 5 of 5 stars

Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows is an eye-opening account of a little-questioned article of faith in our culture: the idea that it is normal to befriend some animals while exploiting others. A step-by-step analysis of a cultural blind spot, it is a powerful blend of reason, compassion, and psychological insight.

The primary focus is on the practice of eating meat, our inherited attitudes, and the callous manipulation of our minds by those who stand to profit. While duly informing the r...more

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Jul 19, 2012 Vanessa rated it 5 of 5 stars

Shelves: animal-rights

Even though this book is rather short at 204 pages, it is so resourceful! I have always felt that eating animals is forced upon us by our society. Different institutions tell us that it's normal and necessary to eat animals that are abused and killed inhumanely. While I will not argue the fact that we are naturally omnivores, I do not think it's natural to systematically abuse animals that are turned into food and that are pumped with... who knows what anymore. While several of the descriptions...more

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Apr 30, 2012 Lis Carey rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: non-fiction

Melanie Joy is the leading researcher in the field of carnism, a field she invented. If that sounds a tad catty, sorry, but I'm laboring under the burden of having actually read her book.

Dr. Joy purports to give us a thoroughly researched discussion of the psychology of why we eat meat, and why we eat some animals and not other animals. This book has gotten a lot of praise, for it's fairness and respectful attitude towards people who eat meat. I'm honestly mystified by that praise. The assumptio...more

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Aug 05, 2011 Wendy Kobylarz rated it 2 of 5 stars

Oh, Ms. Joy, this was not very good at all. Or perhaps it's written for an omnivore audience. It's very very basic animal rights philosophy and an introduction to a system Joy calls carnism. Perhaps the most interesting conclusion she draws, and one that, in retrospect should be obvious to vegans (but wasn't to me!) is the worldview that only veg*nism is a choice, that meat-eating is seen as the normal, natural thing to do when in reality it is also a definite choice. Joy explores some of the wa...more

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Mar 23, 2011 Darlynn rated it 5 of 5 stars

I think this book should be incorporated into our educational system. Mandatory reading for as long as we continue to teach our children to read and gather information from which to make life choices. Children, as young as they are able to understand, should be made aware that there are CHOICES and they are NOT mindless programable machines, born to unconsciousness and intended for assimilation into a physically, emotionally, and intellectually corrupt system designed primarily to produce profit...more

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Dec 13, 2010 Erica rated it 5 of 5 stars

I really loved this book because it put into words a lot of thoughts I had but could not articulate. It examines the hypocrisy our society commits in its treatment of animals we keep as pets and the animals we eat as food. Compelling, and through, it's a must read for anyone who wants to advocate for the elimination of animal consumption. Melanie Joy provides logical arguments for why people are able to rationalize eating some animals over others, and how this reality perpetuates itself through...more

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Melanie Joy is a social psychologist, professor, and personal coach. She has been involved in the animal liberation movement since 1989 and has worked as an activist, educator, and organizer. Her academic areas of specialization include the psychosociology of violence toward animals and humans and organizational behavior. She has written a number of articles and has been interviewed for magazines,...more

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“To identify with others is to see something of yourself in them and to see something of them in yourself--even if the only thing you identify with is the desire to be free from suffering.” — 20 people liked it

“It's just the way things are. Take a moment to consider this statement. Really think about it. We send one species to the butcher and give our love and kindness to another apparently for no reason other than because it's the way things are. When our attitudes and behaviors towards animals are so inconsistent, and this inconsistency is so unexamined, we can safely say we have been fed absurdities. It is absurd that we eat pigs and love dogs and don't even know why. Many of us spend long minutes in the aisle of the drugstore mulling over what toothpaste to buy. Yet most of don't spend any time at all thinking about what species of animal we eat and why. Our choices as consumers drive an industry that kills ten billion animals per year in the United States alone. If we choose to support this industry and the best reason we can come up with is because it's the way things are, clearly something is amiss. What could cause an entire society of people to check their thinking caps at the door--and to not even realize they're doing so? Though this question is quite complex, the answer is quite simple: carnism.” — 12 people liked it

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