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The Iron Dream
The Iron Dream is a metafictional 1972 alternate history novel by Norman Spinrad. The book has a nested narrative that tells a story within a story. On the surface, the novel presents an unexceptional science fiction action tale entitled Lord of the Swastika. This is a pro-fascist narrative written by an alternate history version of Adolf Hitler, who in this timeline emigr...more
Mass Market Paperback, 256 pages
Published
May 1st 1986
by Spectra
(first published 1972)
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Update: I actually did end up finding a copy in a used bookstore for $1.49 or something and it had the cover I wanted and everything and it was awesome.
I'm freaking dying for a copy of this stupid book. I've wanted it for like a year now. All the copies on amazon are way too much money. I actually asked Spinrad about it, but he didn't know where I could get a cheap one. The hunt continues.
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"Let Adolph Hitler transport you to a far-future Earth, where only FERIC JAGGER and his mighty weapo...more
I'm freaking dying for a copy of this stupid book. I've wanted it for like a year now. All the copies on amazon are way too much money. I actually asked Spinrad about it, but he didn't know where I could get a cheap one. The hunt continues.
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"Let Adolph Hitler transport you to a far-future Earth, where only FERIC JAGGER and his mighty weapo...more
This is a spoiler-ific review. So the premise is Hitler has a falling out with the Nazis in their infancy and emigrates to America where he paints pulp fiction covers and becomes a semi-respected writer himself, spawning a Nazi-inspired fashion trend with his penultimate novel, Lord of The Swastika (the book within the book The Iron Dream, about the last true human state in a post apocalyptic world of mutants and mind controlling Dominators). In the bookend world in which Hitler wrote, Germany a...more
Il est à noter qu'il s'agit d'une deuxième édition, rajoutant à l'originale (apparement) une post-face également savoureuse.
Les seigneurs du svastika est donc le roman posthume d'Hitler, honoré d'un prix Hugo. Il nous narre les aventures de Feric Jaggar, défenseur de la pure race humaine, pourfendeur des mutants, et libérateur de la terre.
A un tout premier niveau, on retrouve là le héros de sf classique, un peu analogue, par exemple aux loups des étoiles de Edmond Hamilton (enfin, c'est le seu...more
Les seigneurs du svastika est donc le roman posthume d'Hitler, honoré d'un prix Hugo. Il nous narre les aventures de Feric Jaggar, défenseur de la pure race humaine, pourfendeur des mutants, et libérateur de la terre.
A un tout premier niveau, on retrouve là le héros de sf classique, un peu analogue, par exemple aux loups des étoiles de Edmond Hamilton (enfin, c'est le seu...more
You know those great ideas you have late at night when you're chatting with your friends after a few glasses of wine? Well, if I had been involved in writing this book, here's how I think it might have got started:
[Table is covered with the remains of what looks like a large and pleasant meal. Animated conversation.]
- ... So don't you just hate those fascist science fiction writers who sell right-wing ideologies to suggestible teens? You know, Robert Heinlein and people like that?
- I think Heinl...more
[Table is covered with the remains of what looks like a large and pleasant meal. Animated conversation.]
- ... So don't you just hate those fascist science fiction writers who sell right-wing ideologies to suggestible teens? You know, Robert Heinlein and people like that?
- I think Heinl...more
Mar 30, 2008
rgb
rated it
5 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
People who like insane over-the-top dystopia satire, black humor, strange mirrors of the human soul
The Iron Dream is one of the true classics of science fiction. It is a core work in what I can only describe as a microgenre of sorts that appeared during the late 60's and early 70's -- Science Fiction as seriously black humor and revolutionary social commentary. The principle writers (that I can recall offhand -- I make no claim to this list being exhaustive) were Norman Spinrad and Harlan Ellison ( I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream, Dangerous Visions), but a number of other authors such as L...more
What happens when satire is misunderstood?
The point of satire is that it should be accessible on two levels simultaneously. The surface text tells one story, the subtext tells another; or to put it more accurately, the subtext tells the exact opposite story of the surface text. We might even say that the subtext reverses the polarity of the visible story, coinciding with it word for word, image for image, but in the wrong direction. In this case, the wrong way is the right way.
Writers of satir...more
The point of satire is that it should be accessible on two levels simultaneously. The surface text tells one story, the subtext tells another; or to put it more accurately, the subtext tells the exact opposite story of the surface text. We might even say that the subtext reverses the polarity of the visible story, coinciding with it word for word, image for image, but in the wrong direction. In this case, the wrong way is the right way.
Writers of satir...more
The premise is interesting: after a brief stint in radical politics, Hitler moves to New York, disenfranchised with the German political system yet not with the radical ideas of racial purity. He becomes a hack illustrator, yet his biggest work is that of a science fiction book called "Lords of the Swastika".
Spinrad's writing is harsh, often hackish and unkempt - just as a German speaking SciFi illustrator would. His portrayal of a world 1000 years past the nuclear holocaust and protagonists and...more
Spinrad's writing is harsh, often hackish and unkempt - just as a German speaking SciFi illustrator would. His portrayal of a world 1000 years past the nuclear holocaust and protagonists and...more
Mar 30, 2009
Michael
rated it
4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
sci fi fans, World War Two buffs
Recommended to Michael by:
Dragon Magazine
This is a book-within-a-book. Author Norman Spinrad asked an excellent counter-historical question: what if Adolf Hitler, rather than going into German politics after the First World War, had instead moved to the USA and become a science fiction writer? This book is the product of that fantasy: the most popular science fiction book written by Hitler in that alternate universe.
Spinrad demonstrates more knowledge of period pulp sci-fi than of German history, but since this is a fantasy of the dera...more
Spinrad demonstrates more knowledge of period pulp sci-fi than of German history, but since this is a fantasy of the dera...more
The act of reading this book was the most amusing part about it, as I read it over several weeks on trains between Euston and Northampton. The cover of the edition I read brazenly announced that it was 'Adolf Hitler's Science Fiction Masterpiece', and the artwork had Adolf riding a gleaming motorcycle out of a monstrous phallus-shaped space rocket, the whole thing backed by a colossal red swastika. I got a few funny looks. It's the sort of book which makes the devil whisper in your ear: "Take th...more
Originally published on my blog here in September 2001.
Most alternate histories are simply narratives set in a world which differs from our own because an event in the past is supposed to have had a different outcome. The Iron Dream is, so far as I know, unique in science fiction because it purports to be a novel written in an alternate universe.
For The Iron Dream is supposed to present a posthumously published novel by an Adolf Hitler who emigrated to the States in the twenties to make a living...more
Most alternate histories are simply narratives set in a world which differs from our own because an event in the past is supposed to have had a different outcome. The Iron Dream is, so far as I know, unique in science fiction because it purports to be a novel written in an alternate universe.
For The Iron Dream is supposed to present a posthumously published novel by an Adolf Hitler who emigrated to the States in the twenties to make a living...more
A Classic of American Fantasy Literature from Norman Spinrad
Norman Spinrad’s “The Iron Dream” is a book which still confounds many of its fans and critics. Some view it as an over-the-top critique of the worst aspects of fantasy and science fiction, as if it is “The Lord of the Rings” as channeled by LSD or some other mind-altering drug. Others, including yours truly, recognize this as a brilliant satire from Spinrad during one of the most productive phases of his literary career, critiquing Ado...more
Norman Spinrad’s “The Iron Dream” is a book which still confounds many of its fans and critics. Some view it as an over-the-top critique of the worst aspects of fantasy and science fiction, as if it is “The Lord of the Rings” as channeled by LSD or some other mind-altering drug. Others, including yours truly, recognize this as a brilliant satire from Spinrad during one of the most productive phases of his literary career, critiquing Ado...more
The concept behind this book is great and made me laugh with glee. Adolf Hitler as a hack science fiction writer? Just too good! The front even includes a list of "Other Books by the Author" that stars such alluring titles as "Tomorrow, The World" and "The master Race", and a little biography of Hitler, the SF writer/illustrator.
The story itself purports to be a book called Lord of the Swastika, and the narrator is clearly a stand-in for Hitler himself. In fact, the early parts of the book mirro...more
The story itself purports to be a book called Lord of the Swastika, and the narrator is clearly a stand-in for Hitler himself. In fact, the early parts of the book mirro...more
Imagine two slices of bread made of nothing but shit and then imagine a shiny brick of gold. The intro would be one slice, the main story would be the brick of gold, and the afterword would be another slice of shit. A golden-shit sandwich, that's what this book is.
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A great science-fiction story where ancient earth set off nuclear explosions causing mass radiation which in turn created millions of mutants, from giant flying beasts to disgusting little hunc...more
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A great science-fiction story where ancient earth set off nuclear explosions causing mass radiation which in turn created millions of mutants, from giant flying beasts to disgusting little hunc...more
I learned that a strong concept doesn't get you anywhere without strong execution. The idea of satirizing the racism/sexism/solipsism of much Sword & Sorcery and "hard" SF by writing a book as if by Adolph Hitler is a good one, but instead of actually critiquing such fiction by demonstrating its links to fascist ideology, Spinrad gets carried away satirizing Nazism itself, an absurdly easy target. For example, rather than introducing a bunch of cardboard characters bearing the barely modifie...more
Rating this book in terms of "one to five stars" is a complicated proposition. Are you rating the entire package or the book-within-a-book, Lord Of The Swastika, by Adolf Hitler?
On its own, Lord Of The Swastika is fairly wretched stuff: formulaic, over-enthusiastic pulp tripe.
But packaged as a product of an alternate history, it becomes powerful. It's the study of an embittered politician and possibly a latent homosexual, and a statement about mythic heroes as they apply to history. With the sha...more
On its own, Lord Of The Swastika is fairly wretched stuff: formulaic, over-enthusiastic pulp tripe.
But packaged as a product of an alternate history, it becomes powerful. It's the study of an embittered politician and possibly a latent homosexual, and a statement about mythic heroes as they apply to history. With the sha...more
The Iron Dream has to be one of the most difficult books to review. The basic premise (that Adolf Hitler moved to the US and became a pulp sci-fi writer) is patently absurd, yet so weird and savvy, it’s truly brilliant. Of course, the meta-book-within-a-book, Lord of the Swastika by Hitler, is wretched (even as a clear tongue-and-cheek parody), but again, that was Spinrad’s entire point. And the final chapter of faux-analysis summed everything up in one neat and tidy package that was beyond inge...more
The premise of The Iron Dream is better than the execution. To satirize the fascist tendencies of sci-FI and fantasy, Norman Spinrad conceived a world where Hitler was a sci-FI author. Spinrad's fake novel, Sons of the Swastika, fails a bit because it's too specific to Hitler's real world rise to power. The tropes of a shining master race and an inhuman racial enemy are common and disturbing enough without bringing in Hitler's coup and post-apocalyptic recreations of Nazi rallies.
Still, there a...more
Still, there a...more
This has to be one of the most hilarious science fiction books I've ever read. From one angle, it is a fabulous lampoon of Hitler's pseudo-scientific, racist vision of the mythical Aryan Race, while from a completely different angle, it remains a thoroughly readable and rousing swords-and-sorcery tale of a hero returning to rescue his people. The combination of these two gives a brilliant conveyance of Hitler as he saw himself, and betrays the amount of research the author must have done and con...more
In 1919, a struggling artist and a former soldier by the name of Adolf Hitler had taken part in a failed German extremist movement called National Socialism, so he packed his things and moved to the United States. He worked as a pulp magazine illustrator and started writing science fiction. This is one of his novels.
Now, this isn't a novel. This is a clever trick. The whole story is nothing but a huge gimmick. Then again, all art is based on clever tricks and interesting gimmicks, so I suppose y...more
Now, this isn't a novel. This is a clever trick. The whole story is nothing but a huge gimmick. Then again, all art is based on clever tricks and interesting gimmicks, so I suppose y...more
What if Hitler abandoned politics? What if he moved to New York and learned English? What if he became an SF writer? Then Lord of the Swastika would be his novel from an alternate history.
Lord exists as a narrative within The Iron Dream narrative, a fairy land populated by Truehuman supremacists and loath worthy mutants. Feric Jaggar, the uberman who quests to rid the world of the varieties of subhumans, is an extension of this Hitler's fanciful view of himself. His hated enemies, the Dominators...more
Lord exists as a narrative within The Iron Dream narrative, a fairy land populated by Truehuman supremacists and loath worthy mutants. Feric Jaggar, the uberman who quests to rid the world of the varieties of subhumans, is an extension of this Hitler's fanciful view of himself. His hated enemies, the Dominators...more
Disclaimer: I read seventy pages of this book, and it may well improve later. However, I could bear it no longer and bailed.
I was excited by this book's storytelling device, what if Adolf Hitler had left germany in the 1920s and published a series of hackish sword and sorcery novels, living his weird, racist fantasies through his writing rather than destroying Europe with them. That seems like a good book, right?
And this succeeds admirably in what it sets out to do. It's a very representative pi...more
I was excited by this book's storytelling device, what if Adolf Hitler had left germany in the 1920s and published a series of hackish sword and sorcery novels, living his weird, racist fantasies through his writing rather than destroying Europe with them. That seems like a good book, right?
And this succeeds admirably in what it sets out to do. It's a very representative pi...more
On connaissait déjà le principe de l'uchronie : un récit construit à partir d'un point de divergence par rapport à l'Histoire que nous connaissons. Norman Spinrad nous livre ici, non sans malice, une uchronie et un livre d'anticipation, et ceci à travers un double roman.
Je m'explique. Rêve de fer n'est pas un roman de Norman Spinrad, ou en tout cas, n'est pas présenté comme tel. Tout ce livre est construit comme s'il s'agissait d'une réédition d'un best-seller de la SF américaine dont l'auteur n...more
Je m'explique. Rêve de fer n'est pas un roman de Norman Spinrad, ou en tout cas, n'est pas présenté comme tel. Tout ce livre est construit comme s'il s'agissait d'une réédition d'un best-seller de la SF américaine dont l'auteur n...more
Tietokilpailukysymys kaikille kirjallisuuden tuntijoille: kuka itävaltalaissyntyinen kirjailija muutti New Yorkiin vuonna 1919, loi itselleen uraa sanomalehtien kuvittajana 1930-luvulla ja kirjoitti myöhemmin sellaisia scifi-teoksia kuin "Vapauttaja ulkoavaruudesta", "Tuhatvuotinen valtakunta", "Huomenna koko maailma" ja "Hakaristin herra", joista viimeksimainittu palkittiin Hugo-palkinnolla vuoden 1955 World Science Fiction Conventionissa? Aivan niin: Adolf Hitler.
Norman Spinradin "Rautainen un...more
Norman Spinradin "Rautainen un...more
There's no way to explain this book. Not really. Simple premise--- Adolf Hitler emigrates to NYC in 1920 and becomes an illustrator for pulp sci-fi stories. He eventually writes his own series of bad sci-fi novels that become cult favourites ("Other Novels You May Enjoy By This Author" include..."Tomorrow the World!" and "The Thousand-Year Empire"). "The Iron Dream" is the text (with critical analysis) of Hitler's chef d'oeuvre, "Lords of the Swastika"--- a 1930s Bad Sci-Fi version of "Mein Kamp...more
An amazing but not entirely entertaining book, Spinrad's Nabokovian turn sees him inhabiting an alternate history where Hitler emigrated to NY and became an sf illustrator and writer; but The Iron Dream isn't the story of Hitler's alternative life -- rather, it's the science-fantasy novel that he would have produced in that alternative life, his Hugo-winning Lord of the Swastika (1953), which tells the story of Feric Jaggar's pure-blood crusade against mutants and mind-controllers in a post-post...more
Mar 08, 2012
Erik Graff
rated it
4 of 5 stars
·
review of another edition
Recommends it for:
alternative history buffs, Hitler buffs
Recommended to Erik by:
no one
Shelves:
sf
This book is terrible, its author an overcompensating neurasthenic dwelling on past injuries and indignities. Were it not for the generally low standards of science fiction publishing and science fiction readers, this book would not exist.
The author of the Iron Dream is Adolf Hitler.
The author of this Adolf Hitler is Norman Spinrad, a generally well-regarded sf author who, in this book, takes a clever excursion into the subgenre of alternative history.
The edition I read had introductory material...more
The author of the Iron Dream is Adolf Hitler.
The author of this Adolf Hitler is Norman Spinrad, a generally well-regarded sf author who, in this book, takes a clever excursion into the subgenre of alternative history.
The edition I read had introductory material...more
Iron Dream is definitely one of the most disturbing SF novels ever written. The introduction sets up an alternate history meta-fiction premise that after WWI Adolph Hitler immigrated to the US and became a Science Fiction writer. The bulk of the text consists of Hitler's Hugo Award winning novel. Spinrad is attempting to highlight the fascist undertones of a lot of militaristic SF, particularly in the work of Robert Heinlein. The book is violent and incoherent and everything you would expect if...more
Oct 14, 2007
rgb
rated it
5 of 5 stars
·
review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Hard Core SF fans
Well, since there is no review of this book, I'd better add at least one since I still own an (ancient) copy of this book.
The Iron Dream is a SF novel "By Adolph Hitler". For Spinrad fans, that says it all. It is a transcendant satire of the theory of racial purity, featuring inferior races in a slobbering profusion and a blond haired, physically and mentally perfect leader who will stop at nothing to defend all that is right and pure.
It actually ends up being a rollicking good read, even as it...more
The Iron Dream is a SF novel "By Adolph Hitler". For Spinrad fans, that says it all. It is a transcendant satire of the theory of racial purity, featuring inferior races in a slobbering profusion and a blond haired, physically and mentally perfect leader who will stop at nothing to defend all that is right and pure.
It actually ends up being a rollicking good read, even as it...more
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Born in New York in 1940, Norman Spinrad has been an acclaimed SF writer.
Norman Spinrad, born in New York City, is a graduate of the Bronx High School of Science. In 1957 he entered City College of New York and graduated in 1961 with a Bachelor of Science degree as a pre-law major. In 1966 he moved to San Francisco, then to Los Angeles, and now lives in Paris. He married fellow novelist N. Lee Woo...more
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Norman Spinrad, born in New York City, is a graduate of the Bronx High School of Science. In 1957 he entered City College of New York and graduated in 1961 with a Bachelor of Science degree as a pre-law major. In 1966 he moved to San Francisco, then to Los Angeles, and now lives in Paris. He married fellow novelist N. Lee Woo...more
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May 12, 2012 07:04pm
yeah this is true, think the scanner they used was smeared with Zind blood
updated May 14, 2012 05:16pm