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The Path of Daggers (Wheel of Time #8)

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For millions of fans around the globe, the wait is over. Sequel to the international blockbuster bestseller A Crown of Swords, this epic volume continues one of history's greatest fictional journeys and the most extraordinary work of American fantasy ever published--The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and worldwide bestselling series--The Wheel of Time.

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Published October 15th 1998 by Tor Books (first published 1998)

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Oct 26, 2010 Ryan rated it 3 of 5 stars

We tend to root for most anti-heroes, but every now and then, authors dare to set a real stinker at the centerpiece of their stories. Sometimes it works.

Logan Mountstewart from William Boyd's Any Human Heart comes to mind. Henry Miller's Tropic of Cancer qualifies, I think. And before we certify all shepherds as pure-at-heart heroes, check out Halldor Laxness's Bjartur in Independent People.

But these are all examples drawn from the literary canon. What happens when fantasy, a genre often prone t...more

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Mar 31, 2009 Kat Hooper rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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The best thing I can say about The Path of Daggers is that it is significantly shorter than the last few novels have been -- only 700 pages (mass market paperback) compared to the 900-1100 page novels that have preceded it. There is much less of the repetitive backstory. I guess Mr. Jordan finally realized that new readers aren't jumping in at this point.

However, that's not to say that there are 700 pages of plot here, either. For again, most of the pages...more

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Jun 15, 2008 Skip rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Dec 15, 2012 Casey rated it 2 of 5 stars

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This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. My least favorite of all the books so far, and I can't remember if I have said that statement for any of the other books, but Path of Daggers trumps them all. Even though this is a shorter installment, the majority of the book is excruciatingly, tortuously full of filler. The filler in this book is at an all time high. Jordan isn't even bothering to create new side plots and side trips, but painstakingly explains events and draws them out to ten times longer than they should ever take. The plot...more My least favorite of all the books so far, and I can't remember if I have said that statement for any of the other books, but Path of Daggers trumps them all. Even though this is a shorter installment, the majority of the book is excruciatingly, tortuously full of filler. The filler in this book is at an all time high. Jordan isn't even bothering to create new side plots and side trips, but painstakingly explains events and draws them out to ten times longer than they should ever take. The plot progression is so slow. It has slowed even more slower than the already slow pace that has been occurring.

Really, I almost feel like #8 should have been called Campsite Chats. The campsites are explained in the same detail over and over again. The talks that happen at the campsites are long, burdensome, and do absolutely nothing. Even using the Bowl of Winds takes sixty pages for Elayne and company to travel down a path, get to a building, and then immediately use it. Nothing else happens in between and it is all in one day. Perrin has little advancement other than the last few pages, other than he now realizes that in order for him to have a real relationship with Faile, he needs to yell at her more and be more stern. A very mature, adult relationship I would characterize that.

All of the Aes Sedai drive me nuts with the cattiness. During some scenes, I imagined a young child uttering the same lines. The young child would have had more believability. Recently, I read one of the books in the Dune series, and it had me thinking about a comparison between the Bene Gesserit and Aes Sedai. Although they are operating in very different circumstances, they are both powerful female groups who attempt to manipulate others for their own outcome. However, the Aes Sedai seem like a squabbling group of middle-schoolers who have no foresight or wisdom. Bene Gesserit would squash them like a bug.

Egwene has changed completely and I think Jordan gets caught up in his stereotypes and doesn't let anyone act differently once they are in a certain type of role or group. I don't believe the "chemistry" between Lan and Nynaeve...unless she does something really amazing in the bedroom, I don't understand how he could see any redeeming qualities in her.

I enjoyed the scenes with Rand and the treachery with the Asha'man, and I am glad Jordan did describe the battle with the Seanchan. I thought he was going to do his usual and skip through the action scenes. He has a habit of doing that. I am not sure why he would be interested in skirt smoothing and glaring versus swords clanging and fireballs.

The trollocs and all the bad creepy monsters have been missing, which there has been no explanation. The substitution of Jordan's attempt to write about political maneuvering falls flat, and the tiny snippets from the Forsaken pov is not enough. The Seanchan have been inserted in as the number one enemy and it is clear that Jordan is drawing this story out as much as he can. The first four books are very different from the second four books.

I will keep reading on because I want to see the series to the end. I have the hope that the next book will be better because I don't know how Jordan could make something even more drawn out than Path of Daggers.

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Oct 08, 2009 David rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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I congratulate everyone who has the perseverance to continue on while envying those who had the force of will to just forget about how this epic story is supposed to end. Here we are at book 8 and like book 7, very little of the main plot actually happens. Most of the book are again devoted to describing in excruciating detail of how the main characters tend to act and think, with very little variation, mostly accomplishing nothing except introduce filler and making characters feel one-dimension...more

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Dec 08, 2007 Ed B rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Yeah. This is where I stopped reading Jordan's Epic series. Why? It probably had to do with the fact that I was reading them as they came out on paperback--which I was at a rate of about 1 a year until after book #6, then it was once every other year. I have a short attention span, and an even shorter memory. In the middle of this book, I realized that I had so forgotten which characters were which--and what plot line in which they were involved--that I could not identify with them anymore. I di...more

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Aug 02, 2011 Teji rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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I can't believe it! The publisher finally assigned an editor to Robert Jordan—it only took eight books. I expected more mind-numbing repetition. Although the plot still doesn’t advance very fast (and sometimes not at all) and there are entirely too many pointless characters, this book was much *much* tighter than the previous works. I actually feel some stirrings of optimism-- if the last few books stick to this new trend they might actually be engaging—instead of the plodding, tortuous, pedanti...more

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May 11, 2011 Coligne rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fanucci, fantasy, la, ruota, del, tempo

sarà che sono reduce dai fasti del VI e del VII, ma questo "Sentiero dei Pugnali" l'ho trovato non propriamente all'altezza dei precedenti (il sesto sopratutto)...
Nonostante, a livello di trama, succedono più cose in questo libro che nei due che lo precedono messi assieme (o quasi) ormai mi ero abituato alla quasi totale assenza di eventi importatati fino alle ultime pagine del libro, quindi trovarmi fin da subito nel vivo dell'azione mi ha un po spiazzato.
Finalmente ci leviamo dalle scatole que...more sarà che sono reduce dai fasti del VI e del VII, ma questo "Sentiero dei Pugnali" l'ho trovato non propriamente all'altezza dei precedenti (il sesto sopratutto)...
Nonostante, a livello di trama, succedono più cose in questo libro che nei due che lo precedono messi assieme (o quasi) ormai mi ero abituato alla quasi totale assenza di eventi importatati fino alle ultime pagine del libro, quindi trovarmi fin da subito nel vivo dell'azione mi ha un po spiazzato.
Finalmente ci leviamo dalle scatole quella benedetta Coppa dei venti, che era da un po troppo che ce la portavamo dietro. Poi rischiava di fare la fine del tanto atteso scontro con Sammel nel settimo (che si profilava all'orizzonte già dal V°), un po sottotono (nel senso che mi aspettavo di più da quello scontro).
Rand diventa sempre più arrogante, ed infatti nella sua arroganza commette un errore che gli potrebbe essere fatale (ben gli sta! ), Egwene diventa sempre di più Amyrlin di fatto,e non solo di nome; con tutto quello che ne consegue, anche se ogni tanto qualche colpo di genio ancora le capita (come nell'incontro con gli Andoriani), Perrin sembra sempre più rammollirsi dietro la moglie...
In ogni caso le parti migliori, secondo me, sono quelle con protagonista Egwene, il che è tutto dire, dato che non è certamente tra i miei personaggi preferiti. Probabilmente ha influito molto la dichiarazione di guerra ad Elaida, il momento più epico del libro.
La nota veramente dolente è l'assenza di Mat. Lui da solo, basta a risollevare le sorti di un libro. Ne è al riprova il settimo, senza la sua presenza sarebbe stato un libro mediocre. Ne "Il Sentiero dei Pugnali" la sua assenza si fa pesante, più che quella di Perrin in I Fuochi del Cielo...
In conclusione, penso si possa definire questo ottavo giro della Ruota come un libro di transizione, in cui si preparano gli avvenimenti per il IX. Certo è che quello che per Jordan è un libro di transizione, per quasi qualsiasi altro autore sarebbe invece un gran bel libro...(less)

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Feb 19, 2013 Jeffrey Grant rated it 3 of 5 stars

The end of the previous book felt a little bit like someone told Jordan that he had a specific word limit for that book and he had to stop there, so a lot of plot threads were left hanging wide open. Apparently that's not far from the truth, with the caveat being that Jordan's "wrap up" of those plot threads takes up 1/2 - 2/3 of a book. Also, we still don't know what happens to Mat by the end of this one; like Perrin did a few books prior, neither he nor anyone associated with him shows up at a...more

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Jan 04, 2013 Rose rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Another, 672-page, book down, only six more to go. The late Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time fantasy saga features a cast of thousands; he seems to have added an average of six new characters per paragraph. There are Maighdens and Mogedians, Galinas and Garinas, Karinas and Kurians, Seaines and Saerans, and the latter two are of course wondering what's up with Seara. The book teams with minor characters who've done some most likely evil deed a couple of volumes back and whom Jordan couldn't be both...more Another, 672-page, book down, only six more to go. The late Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time fantasy saga features a cast of thousands; he seems to have added an average of six new characters per paragraph. There are Maighdens and Mogedians, Galinas and Garinas, Karinas and Kurians, Seaines and Saerans, and the latter two are of course wondering what's up with Seara. The book teams with minor characters who've done some most likely evil deed a couple of volumes back and whom Jordan couldn't be bothered to more than glancingly reintroduce. The Wheel of Time wiki is a requirement if you intend to keep up. Jordan's stories are set in post-post-modern lands(once, before men who could channel caused the Breaking of the World, there were airplanes and technology, but maybe that's a spoiler) that is much more than Tolkien without elves or dwarfs. A graduate of the Citadel military academy who survived several tours in Vietnam, Jordan understands battle strategy. And WOT features lots of battles fought with swords, crossbows, and a weapon of mass destruction known as the One Power. Magic in WOT is based on the channeling of this Force-like energy. Reincarnation happens, along with troubling memories of past lives. This magical world of castles and kingdoms is a post-feminist one as well. Female queens rule nations as a matter of course, and the Aes Sedai witches, who for centuries kept the One Power to themselves by "stilling" (a kind of magical neutering) any man who dared to channel, have ruled over rulers for so long they can't be bothered to doubt even their most devious and cruel actions. Known as the Dragon Reborn as well as various other honorifics depending on the people bestowing the title, Rand al'Thor is a handsome and arrogant young man who assumed his role with reluctance and currently listens to no one. His much-touted slide into madness is feared by nearly everyone, except the dark powers that alternately court and try to destroy him. Jordan thoroughly inhabited this world in his imagination. His attention to detail is almost painfully exhaustive. Though Jordan often leaves his characters in tough situations (there are multiple story-lines), he usually at least partly resolved matters at the end of one volume -- typically another of the Dark One's minions is destroyed. In this, volume eight of the saga, he ended with a cliff-hanger. But as the volumes pile up, beginnings and endings seem to be mere conceits, and the saga just keeps rolling along.(less)

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Dec 22, 2012 Richard Bray rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I’m starting to wonder if I’ve made a mistake in deciding that I wanted to complete THE WHEEL OF TIME by reading all the books in the series consecutively. With THE PATH OF DAGGERS now under my belt, I’m eight books into the 14-book saga, and I can’t honestly say that I feel any closer to the conclusion than I was three or four books ago.

When I began reading THE WHEEL OF TIME, I was a senior in high school, so I was able to read the first seven or eight books consecutively without having to wait...more I’m starting to wonder if I’ve made a mistake in deciding that I wanted to complete THE WHEEL OF TIME by reading all the books in the series consecutively. With THE PATH OF DAGGERS now under my belt, I’m eight books into the 14-book saga, and I can’t honestly say that I feel any closer to the conclusion than I was three or four books ago.

When I began reading THE WHEEL OF TIME, I was a senior in high school, so I was able to read the first seven or eight books consecutively without having to wait for the next installment. But once I caught up to Jordan, I had to wait a couple years between books, and in that time other characters and other plots filled my mind, shoving Jordan’s characters into the background. By the time the next book had been published, I found it impossible to distinguish the lesser characters or keep the infinite subplots tidy in my mind.

After THE CROSSROADS OF TWILIGHT, I decided that once the series ended – if it ended – I would go back and read the whole thing from start to finish. With A MEMORY OF LIGHT set for a January release, I started with EYE OF THE WORLD this fall and remembered why this series has established itself as one of the most famous and successful fantasy series in history. By this point – after reading nothing but WHEEL OF TIME for months – I also remember why I needed to put the series down and why Jordan’s detractors are just as vocal as his fans.

Jordan’s world building is strong and the narrative scope of the book is unparalleled by anyone but Tolkien and Steven Erikson, but he has two flaws that have really drawn the ire of Jordan’s critics. The first is his wordiness, the way he uses a full page to describe something when a sentence will do. Sometimes it makes for beautiful prose, but most of the time it just seems like verbal diarrhea. I work as a communications specialist at a college, a job that requires me to speak to college professors and administrators regularly, and while most everyone is quite pleasant, there are some people I dread speaking to, especially when I’m on a deadline, because they’ll speak with me for an hour while providing just a few minutes of real, useful information. Jordan reminds me of these people. He cranks out these 700-page paperbacks, but for the last few books it feels like I’ve only gotten 300 pages of the book I want to read and 400 pages of padding.

Jordan’s second flaw only compounds the first issue. Jordan has created a deep and detailed world and he literally provides us with dozens of POV characters. Early in the series, this was a strength, but as Jordan has added more characters, plots and subplots, it has become too much for him – and possibly any author – to manage. Characters take center stage in one book, then disappear for the next two. Once you decide you like a character’s plotline, they’re gone for the next 1,500 pages.

Or a character does nothing for a book or two, finally lulling you into complete and utter apathy, and then they take center stage. Early in the series I didn’t like Egwene, but her plotline with the Aiel and the Wise Ones made her one of the more likeable characters in the series to me. But once she became the Amyrlin Seat, she spent the next two books doing nothing. By the time THE PATH OF DAGGERS began, I no longer cared that much about Egwene. She’d been inactive for far too long. Then she began taking action in this book, moving the plot forward and changing the landscape of the story. She was one of the best parts of this book, but even as I think on how much better she was in this book, I can’t help but remember that she’s been a non-entity for the two books beforehand.

When A CROWN OF SWORDS ended, I was looking forward to A PATH OF DAGGERS in some part because of the way Mat Cauthon’s storyline ended, with him trapped in Ebou Dar as the Seanchan take over the city. We’d already been told that Mat was destined to marry the Daughter of the Nine Moons, who is apparently Seanchan, so I was looking forward to getting more insight into Seanchan society and seeing how Mat would interact with the Seanchan’s warrior society. So, of course, I was disappointed when Mat made exactly zero appearances in this book.

There are plenty of instances of this – characters picked up and then dropped, plotlines seemingly forgotten – and it’s all a product of Jordan trying to tell too many stories. The sheer scope of the series is admirable, but at this point, I can’t help but think that I’d rather read a book with just a handful of plotlines that the author can really dig into.(less)

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Dec 17, 2012 Ala rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Stop number 8 on my journey along The Wheel.

Well, not really a stop, so much as a god damned derailment.

Before I go on, allow me to just say this up front: Matrim Cauthon does not appear in this book.

I repeat, there is no Mat in this book.

None.

Nada.

If you've read up to this point, then you know that the last we see of him in the previous one was a bit of a cliffhanger. So having to go an entire god damned book without so much as a whiff of what's become of the guy is pretty mind bogglingly WTF.

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Nov 11, 2012 Kyle rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

The Wheel of Time series represents, for me, the perfect example of a guilty pleasure in the world of fantasy.

This series is not actually written very well. Robert Jordan was not a very good wordsmith, and he really only knew how to say and describe things one way. His characters are generally unbelievable, and have ridiculous dialogue. The plot is tremendously predictable, and is heavily influenced (close to the point of being unoriginal) by the fantasy works that came before. The whole story i...more

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Nov 05, 2012 David rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This is probably only a 3 and 1/2 stars book for me, but I'll tip Robert Jordan the extra half star for the series as a whole being so engrossing this far.

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I enjoyed many things about this book, particularly with the various competing interests across the Wheel of Time world seemingly plotting and scheming and lining up for control of, variously, Rand, the Amyrlin Seat, The White Tower, The Black Tower, Andor, and Cairhien. Once again, Jordan threads numerous tales together through the b...more

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Jun 25, 2012 Ward Bond rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

SUMMARY:
"Robert Jordan has come to dominate the world Tolkien began to reveal."--The New York Times The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the Shadow. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time. THE WHEEL OF TIME Book One: The Eye of the World Book Two: The Great Hunt Book Three: The Dragon Reborn Book Four: The Shadow Rising Book Five: The Fires of Heaven Book Six: Lord of Chaos Book Seven: A Crown of Swords Book Eight: The P...more SUMMARY:
"Robert Jordan has come to dominate the world Tolkien began to reveal."--The New York Times The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the Shadow. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time. THE WHEEL OF TIME Book One: The Eye of the World Book Two: The Great Hunt Book Three: The Dragon Reborn Book Four: The Shadow Rising Book Five: The Fires of Heaven Book Six: Lord of Chaos Book Seven: A Crown of Swords Book Eight: The Path of Daggers Book Nine: Winter's Heart Book Ten: Crossroads of Twilight

Amazon.com Review

Robert Jordan's bestselling Wheel of Time epic is one of the most popular fantasy series of all time for a reason. Jordan's world is rich and complex, and he's assembled an endearing, involving core of characters while mapping out an ambitious and engaging story arc.

But with the previous book, __, and now with Path of Daggers, the series is in a bit of a holding pattern. Path continues the halting gait of the current plot line: Rand is still on the brink of losing it, all the while juggling the political machinations around him and again taking to the field against the Seanchan. The rest of the Two Rivers kids and company don't seem to be moving much faster. Egwene continues to slowly consolidate her hold as the "true" Amyrlin (finally getting closer to Tar Valon and the inevitable confrontation with Elaida), and Nynaeve and Elayne keep on wandering toward the Lion Throne, again on the run from the Seanchan. Mat Cauthon is barely mentioned, and fellow _g the growth of relationships, but the action picks up soon enough. More compact than some previous volumes in the saga, this one has the virtues readers have come to expect from the author: meticulous world-building; deft use of multiple viewpoints; highly original and intelligent systems of magic; an admirable wit; and a continuous awareness of the fate of the turnip farmer or peddler caught in the path of the heroes' armies. Unlike some authors of megasagas, Jordan chooses his words with care, creating people and events that have earned him an enormous readership. For sheer imagination and storytelling skill, if not quite for mythic resonance, The Wheel of Time now rivals Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. 500,000 first printing; $500,000 ad/promo; author tour.
Copyright 1998 Reed Business Information, Inc. _

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May 08, 2012 littlemiao rated it 2 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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I am determined to get through the series in audio book. By book eight, it is hard not to be invested in the characters and curious about the ultimate resolution. It is also hard not to be annoyed by certain aspects of the narrative, like the massive amounts of detail that often bog down the action. Beautiful detail, but excessive. I had a hard time keeping track of the villains and other minor characters, but that is probably my fault for waiting so long between books. And while I suspect that...more

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May 06, 2011 Ryan rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. My summary:

Eighth book in the wheel of time series, it begins with Elayne, Birgitte, Nynaeve, Lan, and Aviendhra working with the Sea Folk and the Kin to use the Bowl of Winds. They manage to use it and then make gateways near Camelyn to escape. As they are escaping the Seanchan attack them while Elayne is unwrapping the gateway weave. She is forced to let it collapse on itself and it nearly kills her and her friends, while it does kill many Seanchan who try to pursue her. Elayne and her compan...more My summary:

Eighth book in the wheel of time series, it begins with Elayne, Birgitte, Nynaeve, Lan, and Aviendhra working with the Sea Folk and the Kin to use the Bowl of Winds. They manage to use it and then make gateways near Camelyn to escape. As they are escaping the Seanchan attack them while Elayne is unwrapping the gateway weave. She is forced to let it collapse on itself and it nearly kills her and her friends, while it does kill many Seanchan who try to pursue her. Elayne and her company continue on to Camelyn so Elayne can claim the Lion Throne. Egwene, Siuan, and Gareth Byrne proceed on their way to Tar Valon to overthrow Elaida. Egwene asserts herself over the Hall so they must follow her in the war against Tar Valon. Meanwhile, Rand is working on settling Illian now that he is the new king there. He works on consolidating forces so that he will have an army to attack the Seanchan as they move towards Illian. He surprise attacks them with a large number of his Asha'man and with the help of his general, Bashere. They are successful even though they are but a few thousand against the 50,000 or so Seanchan. They do sustain casualties, however, even by Rand himself when he is forced to use Callandor to lead the attack against the Seanchan. He defeats them but at great cost. He accidentally kills one of his Asha'man and alienates some of the others so that they make an attack on his life at the end of the book. Meanwhile, Perrin meets with Masema (the prophet) and tells him he is to meet with Rand immediately to receive orders. While Perrin is attending the meeting, Faile and the rest of the camp is attacked by Shaido and Sevanna. They are taken prisoner and Berelain is the only one who escapes to warn Perrin. Lots of smaller events occur among many of the other characters as well. Rand makes a bargain with the Sea Folk and Cadsuane agrees to advise Rand if he obeys certain rules and does not require an oath to him. Before this, Sorilea and Cadsuane take a water oath to help each other help Rand make the right decisions. Moridin, the unknown Forsaken, punishes those who fail him and lays new plans to fight against Rand. Ispan, the darkfriend caught by Elayne and the others, is killed along with the Aes Sedai in her tent. At the tower, Elaida is still taking orders from her Keeper and Darkfriend, Alviarhin while the two women she assigned to hunt out Darkfriends in the tower begin using the oath rod to test a number of people in the tower. The book ends with Egwene arriving at Tar Valon, Elayne taking the Lion Throne of Andor, Rand and Min being attacked by rebel Asha'man, and Red Ajah Aes Sedai being captured by Logain as they try to confront the Black Tower.(less)

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Dec 23, 2010 Chariti King Canny rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This series is brilliant. There is just the right balance of fantastical detail and speed of reading. The way the author writes, as I get more and more involved in the story, the more plausible everything seems... the perfect fantasy novel. There are rare moments where he gets a little too tied up in detailing the scene environment, but overall, this is an excellent story.
He does follow the story formula, which probably is what adds to the simplicity and readability of the storyline. However, t...more

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Jun 28, 2010 James rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Book 8 of the Wheel of Time really gets a bad rap. Contrary to common wisdom, plenty happens in this book. The problem, I think, is that nothing gets resolved. (Not having any Mat, especially after the cliffhanger at the end of book 7, doesn't help either.) Is it ridiculous for a fantasy series to still be setting things up 8 books in? Especially when that series was supposed to be 6 books long? OK, yeah, it is. But taken by itself, The Path of Daggers isn't a bad story.

Oddly enough, the story b...more Book 8 of the Wheel of Time really gets a bad rap. Contrary to common wisdom, plenty happens in this book. The problem, I think, is that nothing gets resolved. (Not having any Mat, especially after the cliffhanger at the end of book 7, doesn't help either.) Is it ridiculous for a fantasy series to still be setting things up 8 books in? Especially when that series was supposed to be 6 books long? OK, yeah, it is. But taken by itself, The Path of Daggers isn't a bad story.

Oddly enough, the story begins with an event that could easily have been used instead as a climax in book 7. It makes some sense for this event to happen in this book, however, since it has broad implications affecting every other plotline. The core plotlines of the book follow Rand and Egwene, who I'm beginning to notice are actually paired off quite often despite a lack of specific plot crossover. I guess that Jordan guy knew what he was planning after all.

The biggest issue with book 8 isn't the fact that it doesn't resolve existing plotlines, it's that it doesn't resolve the plotlines introduced during the book. The stage is set for book 9, where things mercifully do begin to resolve, but the sheer number of cliffhangers in this book is staggering. Without going into details, the book ends after setting up a siege, a succession, a betrayal, and a capture. Add in Mat's cliffhanger, and that's six times the usual frustration. Just be glad you don't need to wait for the next book anymore!

All that said, this is an enjoyable and well-written story. We have epic battles, surprise appearances by objects of Power, even some amusing light shed on a few relationships. But the three Aes Sedai-related stories really take the spotlight here (perhaps another reason the book isn't all that popular). Egwene finally begins openly asserting her power, while Elayne sets into motion significant events on both sides of the world. Best of all, seemingly minor Aes Sedai begin an important and long overdue witch hunt that is completely satisfying.

There is one particular theme of this book that really changed the series for me. I didn't like book 8 any more than most people the first time I read it, but I have since come to actually like the much-maligned Aes Sedai, and the reason starts here. So far they've proven arrogant, often incompetent, and rarely live up to their reputation. When Egwene proposes a major change in their philosophy, I think most readers would agree with her. However, it is at this point that you really begin to respect the Aes Sedai compared to the various other groups of channelers. They have been humbled at every turn, but they are the ones who've held the world together for 3,000 years, and that's no coincidence. Not only does their fate begin to change here, it's become increasingly clear that their largest problems aren't actually their fault.

What it comes down to is that book 8 is a lot more palatable now that book 9 (and 10, 11, and 12) are readily available. Reading a book filled with cliffhangers, even if it does have a few "holy shit!" moments, is not something you want to do a year before the next one arrives. In many ways, book 8 breaks the implied promise of the author, that the story will be further along at the end than at the beginning. In truth it is, but it certainly doesn't feel like it without the context of later events. But stick with it, because the series is finally hitting its peak, and things are about to start changing.(less)

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Apr 15, 2010 Mark rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This review stands for the entire Wheel of Time series.

The Wheel of Time appears to be in good hands with Brandon Sanderson penning the last Book (in three parts) of Robert Jordan's epic.

Although I have been reading these books for as long as I have been reading Katherine Kerr's Deverry novels, and will be reading them at least until 2012 when the final book is due out, I have enjoyed them so much that I am willing to ignore the length of time it has taken. It must be almost 20 years from first...more

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Jan 11, 2012 Jim Proctor rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

With its reputation as being the second-worst WOT book, I was expecting this to be a bit of a slog, but I was actually pleasantly surprised. There are 3 or 4 chapters where nothing much is happening - particularly the continuation of the 'Bowl of Winds' story line which is resumed straight after the prologue, but in general there is no jarring change of pace between this book and the last one, like, for example, between Storm of Swords and Feast For Crows. In fact several things that we have bee...more With its reputation as being the second-worst WOT book, I was expecting this to be a bit of a slog, but I was actually pleasantly surprised. There are 3 or 4 chapters where nothing much is happening - particularly the continuation of the 'Bowl of Winds' story line which is resumed straight after the prologue, but in general there is no jarring change of pace between this book and the last one, like, for example, between Storm of Swords and Feast For Crows. In fact several things that we have been waiting to happen for several books actually get resolved in this one. I did find that I need to do more "admin work" for this book to follow what was going on - the list of characters is truly immense, and the only way to follow everything is to make lists, or use internet sites like Encyclopedia WOT. This is particularly true with story lines that are only advanced by one or two chapters per book like events with Elaida and the White Tower. If you've got into the habit of only paying attention to the events surrounding Rand, Mat and Perrin and tend to skim everything else, you're not likely to enjoy this book at all. Speaking of Rand, in this stage of the series he is not a happy chap, and many readers will not like his continuing decline into a bulling, Machiavellian dictator. His military campaign in this book is scrappy, and while that was obviously the intention of the author, it doesn't make for compelling reading. In the last book, there was a lot of foreshadowing that Cadsuane would be the one to restore his humanity and humility, but this looks to be a process that will occur over several books. Elsewhere, Egwene's attempts to become a bona fide Amyrlin, rather than stay a puppet, help make us more sympathetic to a character that I feel has so far been underdeveloped.

To be fair, a few slow chapters, the scrappy military campaign and lack of a final climax to rival the previous books make this the weakest book yet in the series, but only just. As we get deeper into the series, the books stand up less as self-contained stories, and are really just arbitrary divisions of the series. This must have been galling to the readers when the book was first published, but presents less of a problem now, as the next book is already available.(less)

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Feb 05, 2013 Brian rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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As a couple of the other reviews mention, this is kind of the nadir of the "Rand turns into a douchebag" plotline. I say nadir not necessarily because it's Rand at his lowest point, but because it's the point where you want to yell at him the most. As I mentioned in my review of The Fires of Heaven, and as anyone who has ever read The Catcher in the Rye knows, it can be a huge slog to read through a book where the viewpoint character is a jerk.

All that isn't the main reason I found it to be slo...more

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Jan 21, 2013 April Loebick rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Clocking in at 672 pages, The Path of Daggers by Robert Jordan is one of the shorter volumes in the Wheel of Time series, but definitely still large enough to give me hand cramps. It is the eighth installment in the Wheel of Time, and probably one of my favorites. Sure, like all the previous volumes, it does tend to drag at times and the reader is bombarded with names of characters that don’t matter, but over-all this particular story in the series is action packed and...more (Review from loebick.com )

Clocking in at 672 pages, The Path of Daggers by Robert Jordan is one of the shorter volumes in the Wheel of Time series, but definitely still large enough to give me hand cramps. It is the eighth installment in the Wheel of Time, and probably one of my favorites. Sure, like all the previous volumes, it does tend to drag at times and the reader is bombarded with names of characters that don’t matter, but over-all this particular story in the series is action packed and moves the epic narrative forward by leaps and bounds.

The book follows a group of people, most of whom all grew-up in the same village. Rand al’Thor is the prophesized Dragon Reborn—a man of legend who can channel (use magic) who is reincarnated throughout time. Each time, he is The Dark One’s advisory. Also among the cast of characters is Egwene, who is now Amyrlin Seat of the Aes Sedai rebels and is trying to assert her power over the Aes Sedai who follow her; Nynaeve and Elayne, who active the Bowl of the Winds in order to fix the weather and restore Elayne to the Lion Throne of Andor; Perrin Aybara, who, along with his wife, Faile is sent to capture the nefarious Prophet of the Lord Dragon; And Min, the young woman who has visions and is Rand al’Thor’s current lover. There is also a host of other, minor character, that the point of view switches to every once and a while. If the reader does not pay good attention, it can get very confusing.

Missing from this particular book is Mat Cauthon, one of Rand’s childhood friends, who has been in all the books so far. His path diverged from the story in the last book, and Jordan did not pick it up in this installment. I’m sure he’ll be back in the next book, like how Perrin disappeared for one whole book only to come back and have a huge part in the next. Sometimes you have to let one story slide to make way for the others, especially in books that require this much storytelling.

The Path of Daggers continues the epic story of Rand al’Thor’s rise to power and his pending fight against a foe known as “The Dark One.” The Dark One has been stuck in a metaphysical prison since the last Dragon broke the worlds in order to trap him. There’s whole rich background to get into, and this review doesn’t even scratch the surface. There's so much depth into the magic of the world and it's history, that I don't even know where to begin except that there's two different versions of the True Source (magic energies)--Saidin and Saidar. Saidin is the male half, while Saidar is the female half. Saidin is tainted and any male who can “touch” it (read, use magic) is gentled, or put through a ceremony which cuts him off from the True Source. For the rest, you’ll just have to read the book yourself.

Overall, this is one of the better books in the series. I love all of them so far, but this one really moved the story forward a lot more than the previous books. I look forward to reading the rest of the series.
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Jul 15, 2012 Tanabrus rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. Quattro stelle perché penso sia quasi impossibile che un libro così lungo, ottavo della saga, senza un Grande Evento a catalizzare l'attenzione, riesca a essere così scorrevole, così "leggero" alla lettura, così focalizzato sulla trama.

Sarà che la lettura degli ultimi libri di Martin mi hanno reso particolarmente sensibile a cosa succede quando l'autore si ritrova sommerso da sottotrame e personaggi, non risucendo a districarsi con l'agilità che mostrava nei primi libri.

Ecco, qui non succede.
Non...more

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Feb 13, 2011 Dianna rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I have to sit and think about this one. I've begun reading the series on my Nook, so they're really starting to blend into one another even more than if I was reading them one after another in paper format.

** SPOILERS WILL COMMENCE **

This book has such a strange ending. I'm in the middle of a bunch of action - Rand is fighting fellow Ashaman (Ashamen?), Egwene is poised to take the tower, and I'm looking forward to the climax of all this building up, and then just... nothing... a chapter on all...more

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Aug 06, 2010 Yichengli Li rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I was originally a great fan of the Wheel of Time series. Robert Jordan's gift of spinning worlds into focus was quite awe-inspiring for my then-teenage self. At about book #8, however, it became quite obvious that Jordan had "sold-out" and was just cranking out as many books as fast as he can whack them out on a typewriter. Each book was a half-mix of reiteration of the same concepts from the series (power corrupts, men don't get women, vice versa, the wheel weaves, politics & war, etc), an...more

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Aug 07, 2011 D-day rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

The Path of Daggers is Book Eight of The Wheel of Time series and from all I have read, this and the next two books are considered by fans to be the weakest of the series. But I actually didn't find this one too bad. Part of the problem I think is that the first four or five chapters deal with the Nynaeve and Elayne subplot, perhaps the least interesting storyline, with the most annoying characters. Then we move on to Perrin's subplot, but although Perrin is an interesting character, Faile and B...more

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Dec 08, 2012 Michael rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Although I'm a fan of the series, I must admit The Path of Daggers was a little bit of a disappointment. After all was said and done, I really felt like the key plot events in this book could have (and should have) been added to the last one. But rather, Jordan decided to draw these few important moments out and add a ton of filler so he could have a separate book. To me, it seemed as though The Path of Daggers was less than 700 pages because Jordan simply ran out of ideas and was tired of think...more Although I'm a fan of the series, I must admit The Path of Daggers was a little bit of a disappointment. After all was said and done, I really felt like the key plot events in this book could have (and should have) been added to the last one. But rather, Jordan decided to draw these few important moments out and add a ton of filler so he could have a separate book. To me, it seemed as though The Path of Daggers was less than 700 pages because Jordan simply ran out of ideas and was tired of thinking up tiresome filler. That's how this book felt to me.

The pace of most of this book was excruciatingly slow. For example, the first 35 pages were about four borderland rulers who decided to make a pact, one of them, Tenobia, was the neice to Bashere and hates Taim, another is Paitar Nachiman the brother of Kiruna Sedai. Seriously, that took 35 pages. The next 95 pages were about using the bowel of winds to restore the weather. I mean, 95 pages? That really should have been a simple chapter in book 7, A Crown of Swords. Jordan really outdid himself for excruciating detail and filler in this one.

By the way, what happened to using the bowel of winds as leverage to get the Aes Sedai Sitters in Salidar to accept Rand? The book indicated that Egwene was very upset with Elayne and Nynave due to this little blunder. But what bothers me is that neither Elayne nor Nynave seemed too concerned with this rather important detail, they made an agreement to give the bowel to the Atha'an Miere all the while never even discussing the fact that they're basically crapping all over the original plan. That doesn't surprise me about Elayne. But Nynave? It's a good thing these books are fiction because it seems like these two just make one bad decision after another. In Elayne's defense, however, she discovered an incredible Aes Sedai weapon that was very similar to a mini-nuke which she used to completely obliterate a bunch of Seanchan soldiers. Sadly, that was the best, and most exciting part of the book.

Don't know why, but I can totally visualize the events of this book following a line on a graph that measures exciting/cool parts. First, the line would be very low and steady as the book talks about these 4 borderland rulers making a pact. That goes on for a long time until finally the line spikes really high as Elayne and Nynave use the bowel of winds to restore the weather and a new Aes Sedai weapon is used to kill some Seanchan. Then the line comes back down really low and stays down for a terribly long time as Jordan relates the trials of the rebel Aes Sedai in the snowy weather and a ton of other boring stuff that drags and drags and drags. The line goes up about half-way and plateaus when Rand goes to war against the Seanchan. But Rand is sick and unable to do very good- so the the line tends to go back down. Jaichim Carridin is killed which is interesting but not particularly exciting or anything, so the line stays low until a bunch of Rand's Asha' man try to assassinate him. At this point, the line spikes really high but quickly fizzles to half-way because the Asha' man escape and Rand doesn't do anything about it. Then Faile is kidnapped when Perrin is getting Masema. Then the line goes back down really low again as it mentions that, by the way, the rebel Aes Sedai successfully raided the white tower. The End.

Did anyone else find the fact that Jordan didn't go into extreme detail about invading the White Tower a little unusual? I mean, he was building up to it for several books now, and then just kind of mentions that it was done at the end of The Path of Daggers. I was so frustrated with this. This did not feel very fair to me, the reader, at all. It really seemed like Robert Jordan was just trying to add filler after filler in order to create a legitimate book. But when Jordan got close to 700 pages, even he was too tired of fluff to write anymore. So he did a quick one-page explanation: rebel Aes Sedai take the White Tower. And that was it. This was the most anti-climatic book in the entire series to this point.

I did appreciate the fact that on page 309 Jordan finally explains the gestures used when somebody channels. We learn that Aes Sedai usually use some type of gesture, like a throwing motion with the arms when they're flinging fire balls or shooting lightning or whatever. We also learn that these gestures are not necessary, but most Aes Sedai learned this way- so that's what they do. My only complaint about this is, "why wait until book 8 to finally explain this?"

A few other things that bothered me. First, Jordan never answered who the mystery man was who helped Rand defeat Samael in Shadar Logoth. Maybe in the next book. And second, the glossary is practically useless for me at this point. Whenever I come across a word I don't know- it's rarely ever in the glossary. What's the point of a glossary if it's so rinky-dink? And third, the Forsaken left him alone in this book... so anti-climatic!!

So I give The Path of Daggers three stars for having a few interesting parts, very little plot-development, tons of fluff that Jordan used to fill yet another book, and overall fizzling and anti-climatic-ness. Hopefully the next book will be better.(less)

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Sep 14, 2011 R.j. Davnall rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I remember this book, from the first time I read it, as the point at which the Wheel of Time starts to recover from the mess of books 5 and 6. The truth is, it's still a mess, but it's a much more interesting mess and there's much less of the unbearably obnoxious side characters. Plus, for all that the book is horribly disorganised, there's a sense that all the different plot threads are actually moving towards more or less the same end-point which has been missing from the last couple of books...more

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Apr 06, 2011 Emma rated it 1 of 5 stars

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Let me start out by saying that I have nothing against slow pacing, executed well. I enjoy Jane Austen's writing, which consists almost entirely of talk; within the fantasy genre, I loved Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing, which many reviewers excoriated, complaining that "nothing happened." But there is a difference between books like these and the train wreck that is "Path of Daggers"; it's the difference between slow but wonderful vs. slow, boring and tedious. Austen and Hobb are both masters of...more Let me start out by saying that I have nothing against slow pacing, executed well. I enjoy Jane Austen's writing, which consists almost entirely of talk; within the fantasy genre, I loved Robin Hobb's Shaman's Crossing, which many reviewers excoriated, complaining that "nothing happened." But there is a difference between books like these and the train wreck that is "Path of Daggers"; it's the difference between slow but wonderful vs. slow, boring and tedious. Austen and Hobb are both masters of character development, and their writing is full of insights about human nature and relations; both make you care about the mundane stuff. Robert Jordan is not that kind of writer, and the Wheel of Time is not that kind of series. It is (meant to be) action-based epic fantasy; Jordan is a brilliant action-adventure writer with excellent world-building skills, and his first four or so books left me wishing I had selective amnesia so I could read them for the first time all over again. They were that exciting. Once he started thinking he could write books all about "politics" (women cross their arms beneath their breasts and glare at one another) and "character development" (bet you had no idea Rand hates killing women! Oh... we've read that... 20 times...?), it went downhill fast.

Path of Daggers is a readable book (although I felt the need to skim parts of it), and a few events happen. I never threw it at a wall in frustration. But that doesn't mean it deserves extra stars; that should be a prerequisite for any novel. The events that do occur would only fill 100 pages or so with the taut writing style of previous books. What fills the other 600-odd pages is formula writing; it seems to consist mostly of dress descriptions and power struggles between various formidable women, who usually aren't unnerved by anything, but unnerve each other, and we see the evidence in their skirt-smoothing and hair-tugging. Not only are all the female characters identical in personality, but they all share mannerisms; honestly, how many real women smooth their clothing when agitated? Jordan has made it an infallible barometer of female agitation; thus, we get bizarre sentences like "She had kept her cool during (fill-in-frightening-event-here), but now she was smoothing her skirt." All of the women here have such pride complexes that very little interests them other than one-upping one another, making them incapable of friendship, romance, or family relationships. Plus, all Robert Jordan's characters are caricatures of people who don't understand the opposite sex; this was somewhat amusing at first, but was never really funny and by now is downright annoying. And then random people (adults!) are constantly paddling one another. There's not even a rousing climax at the end to reward us for slogging through all this.

But I haven't written this review solely to bash the book, which you probably know already is lousy. Some fans would say, "if you don't like it, just don't read it!" and after reading this one, I actually did give up on the series for a couple of years. I've written this review because when I did return to it this year, I skipped straight to #11, Knife of Dreams, with minimal confusion about the contents of the two books in between after reading online plot summaries. (At this point even those who have read every book have lost track of who these hundreds of tertiary characters are, and who knows which secrets.) So for readers who want to finish, but would rather not wade through all the muck, my suggestion would be to skip this one and #10 (something important does happen in #9, if you're not already too jaded to care), or maybe all three of them. And to stop buying them if you haven't already--don't encourage this madness! (less)

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Robert Jordan was the pen name of James Oliver Rigney, Jr., under which he was best known as the author of the bestselling The Wheel of Time fantasy series. He also wrote under the names Reagan O'Neal and Jackson O'Reily.

Jordan was born in Charleston, South Carolina. He served two tours in Vietnam (from 1968 to...more Librarian Note: There is more than one author in the Goodreads database with this name.

Robert Jordan was the pen name of James Oliver Rigney, Jr., under which he was best known as the author of the bestselling The Wheel of Time fantasy series. He also wrote under the names Reagan O'Neal and Jackson O'Reily.

Jordan was born in Charleston, South Carolina. He served two tours in Vietnam (from 1968 to 1970) with the United States Army as a helicopter gunner. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross with bronze oak leaf cluster, the Bronze Star with "V" and bronze oak leaf cluster, and two Vietnamese Gallantry Crosses with palm. After returning from Vietnam he attended The Citadel where he received an undergraduate degree in physics. After graduating he was employed by the United States Navy as a nuclear engineer. He began writing in 1977. He was a history buff and enjoyed hunting, fishing, sailing, poker, chess, pool, and pipe collecting.

He described himself as a "High Church" Episcopalian and received communion more than once a week.[7] He lived with his wife Harriet McDougal, who works as a book editor (currently with Tor Books; she was also Jordan's editor) in a house built in 1797.

Responding to queries on the similarity of some of the concepts in his Wheel of Time books with Freemasonry concepts, Jordan admitted that he was a Freemason. However, "like his father and grandfather," he preferred not to advertise, possibly because of the negative propaganda against Freemasonry. In his own words, "no man in this country should feel in danger because of his beliefs."

On March 23, 2006, Jordan disclosed in a statement that he had been diagnosed with cardiac amyloidosis, and that with treatment, his median life expectancy was four years, though he said he intended to beat the statistics. He later posted on his Dragonmount blog to encourage his fans not to worry about him and that he intended to have a long and fully creative life.

He began chemotherapy treatment at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, in early April 2006. Jordan was enrolled in a study using the drug Revlimid just approved for multiple myeloma but not yet tested on primary amyloidosis.

Jordan died at approximately 2:45 p.m. EDT on September 16, 2007, and a funeral service was held for him on Wednesday, September 19, 2007. Jordan was cremated and his ashes buried in the churchyard of St. James Church in Goose Creek, outside Charleston.
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