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Jingo (Discworld #21)

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'Neighbours... hah. People'd live for ages side by side, nodding at one another amicably on their way to work, and then some trivial thing would happen and someone would be having a garden fork removed from their ear.'

Throughout history, there's always been a perfectly good reason to start a war. Never more so if it is over a 'strategic' piece of old rock in the middle of...more

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Published February 12th 2006 by Corgi Books (first published 1997)

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Dec 08, 2012 Melanie Brown rated it 4 of 5 stars

Ankh-Morpork gets involved in a war with Klatch and the Discworld equivalent of Atlantis, Leshp, is about to rise. It is up to the Watch, Vimes, Colon, Carrot and all the rest to find a way to prevent it. In Jingo the Discworld looks into the dark heart of war, land disputes, assassination, science and weapons development, and prejudice. Of course, Terry Pratchett does it in his special way, sneaking it in here and there and occasionally hitting you head on with it. Of course, there is a lot mor...more

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Feb 09, 2008 Chris rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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A strange foreign country across the sea, a moneyed aristocracy eager to send young men off to war, political operatives using a flimsy pretext to incite nationalist and racist fervor to encourage said war....

Sounds unpleasantly familiar, which is probably why I was drawn to reading this book.

This is one of the Watch books in the Discworld series, and like so many of those books deals with the intersection between law and politics. In this case, a mysterious island surfaces halfway between the g...more

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Jun 07, 2007 Emily rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Discworld fans, Night Watch fans

I've read this a few times, actually. Some of the fine details of the plot I still didn't remember until I read it just now. Part of this might just be poor memory (it's sort of nice to have that for books, actually, as some of the contents still come as a surprise upon rereading. I may remember the gist, but how exactly it comes about is still "novel"), and part of it might be that some of the major plot points are actually a bit unclear, even after they are revealed, in a single conversation.

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Mar 13, 2011 Peter added it · review of another edition

War - what is it good for?: 'Jingo' is Terry Prathett's 21st Discworld novel, and the 4th to feature Sam Vimes and the City Watch as lead characters. The 3 previous City Watch novels - 'Guards! Guards!', 'Men At Arms' and 'Feet Of Clay' ranked amongst the very best of the Discworld novels, but sadly 'Jingo' is a more middling Pratchett work. It's by no means a bad book as such, and contains plenty of good jokes along the way, but compared to the depth of 'Feet of Clay' in terms of plot construct...more

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Apr 13, 2013 Trent rated it 4 of 5 stars

So far, this certainly isn’t my favorite story among the Watch’s novels. It was certainly better than a 3, mind you, but a 4-star rating is perhaps pushing it for my sensibilities. For one, more than any of their stories so far, this one felt the least indicative of the Watch as a police force –due, perhaps, largely to the subject matter.

The bulk of the plot is spurred on by an international conflict between Klatch and Ankh-Morpork over the re-emergence of an island halfway between both countrie...more So far, this certainly isn’t my favorite story among the Watch’s novels. It was certainly better than a 3, mind you, but a 4-star rating is perhaps pushing it for my sensibilities. For one, more than any of their stories so far, this one felt the least indicative of the Watch as a police force –due, perhaps, largely to the subject matter.

The bulk of the plot is spurred on by an international conflict between Klatch and Ankh-Morpork over the re-emergence of an island halfway between both countries. Tensions further mount when an assignation attempt is made on prince Khufurah of Klatch’s life on Ankh-Morpork soil. Vimes instantly takes to the case and naturally treats it like any other crime, taking it upon himself to chase suspects all the way back to Klatch.

Here’s where the story begins to fray in weakness for me. By all accounts this is a political issue. While I understand Vimes’s concern and characteristic tenacity in perusing criminals, this really isn’t his place to act. Now, characters in authority have been telling Vimes that from day one regardless of the case, but for the first time I have to admit that going to Klatch to deal with war-related problems really is outside his jurisdiction.

Moreover, by taking Vimes (and every other character) out of their element, they lose just about any and all expertise. While on Klatchian soil, they can’t exhibit the cunning and investigative skills which would normally define Watch stories, and as a result the detective aspect of the story, which I so dearly love and is the reason I follow the Watch story-line, is severely underplayed.

Jingo’s plot may be a little weak if not very different from what I’ve come to expect from the Watch, but if it shines anywhere, it’s through the characters.

I’m not even going to talk about Carrot –my sour opinion of him has yet to change through the course of this novel. However, I’d like to think that Vetinari, Leonard Nobby, and Colon were the real stars of this story. At one point their forced into close quarters in order to gather information regarding the war to great comedic effect. I feel that taking these characters in particular out of their element gave us a much deeper look at their personalities. Vetinari revealed himself to be quite the performer and con-artist when he needs to be. Colon got to revisit his jingoist views by visiting Klatch and coming to understand that there really isn’t much of a difference between “us” and “them”. Leonard got more insight into the darkness of the minds of men, and Nobby… Well, let’s just say he got to walk a mile in another (wo)man’s shoes in order to discover more about himself.

For Vimes the crux of his development was fixed on the question of what one does when the law isn’t enough to do what’s right. Sometimes the rules don’t reach far enough to punish those who need it, but do we have a right to act outside the law, then? It’s a difficult question. Vimes struggles with the answer in the middle of the desert by searching for some means of passing judgment legally even though no such judge or law exists. The conflict echoes the one’s Vimes’s ancestor, Old Stone-face, had to face upon killing the king, and I believe the way Vimes reacts to the situation tells a lot about his character.

As always in this series, with good characters comes absolutely hilarious jokes. There are too many good lines and side-stitching moments to count, and it makes the whole journey worthwhile.

So, if nothing else, this was a fun read. Certainly not the best in the series, though far from the worst thing I ever read. There will be better; there will be worse, but I enjoyed it and completely recommend it.(less)

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Mar 31, 2012 Smcleish rated it 3 of 5 stars

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Originally published on my blog here in January 1999.

The twenty-first Discworld novel tackles a most depressing subject - the warmongering, violent side of human nature. The scenario is that the lost continent of Leshp has risen again from the seabed, to be claimed by both Ankh-Morpork and the empire of Klatch. War seems to be inevitable, as patriotism apparently spontaneously breaks out in Ankh-Morpork. The City Watch are once again the centre of things as Commander Vimes tries to work out who...more Originally published on my blog here in January 1999.

The twenty-first Discworld novel tackles a most depressing subject - the warmongering, violent side of human nature. The scenario is that the lost continent of Leshp has risen again from the seabed, to be claimed by both Ankh-Morpork and the empire of Klatch. War seems to be inevitable, as patriotism apparently spontaneously breaks out in Ankh-Morpork. The City Watch are once again the centre of things as Commander Vimes tries to work out who is guilty of the crime of attempted murder through warmongering.

The book itself is fairly sombre in tone compared to the rest of the series, despite the convoluted farcical plot. War is a serious subject and the inhumanity of war is not something to be taken lightly (though it has been used to produce some of the greatest humour of the century, such as Heller's Catch 22). There are many obvious parallels intended between the patriots in Ankh-Morpork and the British and French generals of the First World War. Even eight years after the end of that war,m the stupidities of these generals is more material for tragedy than comedy, and even the best comedies which deal with it (Oh What a Lovely War, or Blackadder Goes Forth for example) have strong tragic elements which are almost entirely missing from this novel. On the other hand, the tragedy is so strong that even the more tragic works dealing with the War use comic effects (examples of this include Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front and many of the poems of Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon.)

The way that Pratchett writes about a non-naturalistic world in which he makes parallels with real history dilutes the tragedy while at the same time subduing the comedy. The fact that Jingo is the twenty-first Discworld novel tempts the reviewer to say that the series is coming of age, but that is not really the case; no serious points are made which have not been better made elsewhere, and Pratchett writes better when he does not even try to make serious points.(less)

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Feb 26, 2012 Fiona rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: politics-exclamation-mark, read-in-2012, library-books

It's not very often in the next few months that I'm going to get to read a whole book in a day, so I thought, in for a penny, in for a pound, took a Sunday off and settled down with Commander Vimes and a bar of Dairy Milk.

It was a good choice. Of course it was. I've been recommended 'Jingo' several times, and it's perfectly obvious why: it's exactly my kind of thing. A lot of page time is spent on my favourite supporting cast (Vetinari, Carrot, Angua) and Lady Sybil gets a good few pages of bein...more

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Nov 04, 2011 Lutien Tinuviel rated it 5 of 5 stars

Тази сигурно ми е една от най-любимите, с идиотските разговори на серж. Колън и Ноби.

Двата момента, които са ми любими:
"Сержант Колън имаше широка обща култура. Той беше минал през школата на Баща Ми Винаги Казваше, завършил беше колежа Всички Знаят, а в момента правеше аспирантура в университета Един Човек В Кръчмата Го Разправя."

"Какво са йероглифите, сержант?
Колън се поколеба, но само за кратко.
— Вид молюски, ефрейтор.
— Хей, ти всичко знаеш, сержант! — възкликна възхитен Ноби. — Значи йерогли...more

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Jun 16, 2011 Sally rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: audiobooks

I'm making my way through Disworld one book at a time, trying to read (or listen to) them in some sort of order, although not in order of publication. I read all the "Witch Novels" first, including the Tiffany Aching stories that are touted as being young adult novels. I read Going Postal, Making Money and The Truth, and then most of the "Rincewind Novels", for some reason thinking the ones featuring the Ankh-Morpork Watch might not be as good. I was wrong about that (although Feet of Clay was n...more

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Jul 18, 2010 Melinda Snodgrass rated it 5 of 5 stars

I came to Terry Pratchett late which meant I have this lovely, long line of books to graze through. Pratchett's Discworld is just our world, but amplified by the presence of witches and wizards, and Death is a character, and a lovely old duffer with a charming, if prickly, granddaughter. Rounding out the cast is the enigmatic ruler of THe Discworld's major city, and the various citizens of that city from thieves and beggars, and bankers, and trying to help keep order over this motley crew is the...more

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Sep 06, 2009 Hank Quense rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: anyone who enjoys humorous genre fiction

While I've enjoyed every Terry Pratchett book I've read, I think Jingo has to rank near the top, possibly the best one Pratchett wrote. As with his others, it depicts the foibles of human interactions, this time it's war over a piece of soggy, seaweed-covered speck of land, an island that suddenly rises from the sea half-way between the countries of Ankh-Morpork (home of the good guys) and Klatch (home of the nasty foreigners). People in both countries get pumped up for war by accusing the other...more

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Apr 07, 2011 sage rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction, sff, glbt-interest, reviewed

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Feb 07, 2013 Al rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

It isn't much of an island that rises up one moonless night from the depths of the Circle Sea — just a few square miles of silt and some old ruins. Unfortunately, the historically disputed lump of land called Leshp is once again floating directly between Ankh-Morpork and the city of Al-Khali on the coast of Klatch — which is spark enough to ignite that glorious international pastime called "war." Pressed into patriotic service, Commander Sam Vimes thinks he should be leading his loyal watchmen,

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Jul 05, 2011 Malquiviades rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy, humour, spanish-version

Another visit to our friends of the Night Watch, although it has become just the Town Watch.

Pratchett's satiric view usually touches many points and in this book it does so with war. Although it is not war directly, but patriotism (mingled with xenophobia) and how it may direct head on onto a war (for petty reasons).

Other Pratchett's books share this satiric view of a certain topic and it is sometimes present throughout them. I have already enjoyed it in some others as in Small Gods. It is a ref...more

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Feb 09, 2013 Karen rated it 4 of 5 stars

I am getting into Pratchett's DiscWorld series in midstream, but I really enjoyed this one. I have to say that it has been a while since I read a book that was so full of both wry and overt humor. In fact, I almost got jaded with so much! So, I will have to try to go back and read the series from the start. Another Goodreads member gave me good advice about that--to pick a character and read the books that focused on him or her. Since Jingo focused on Lord Sam Vimes, the commander of The Watch,...more

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Jul 27, 2011 Helen rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy

I sometimes wonder how well Pratchett's books translate into different languages and cultures. This one has Ankh Morpork going to war with Klatch over an island that sprung from the depths of the Circle Sea. The Klatchians are a desert people, who wear Lawrence of Arabia robes and towels on their heads, make curry, offer visitors eyeballs to see if they'll eat them, speak in a curiously curly font that is reminiscent of Arabic script and are very hot on hospitality. They are also reputed to run...more

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Jun 12, 2009 Ann rated it 4 of 5 stars

There may be a Terry Pratchett book out there that I don't like, but this isn't it. This one continues the City Watch series, so there is lots more of Sam Vines, Sgt. Colon, Nobby Nobs, Carrot, Angua, Vetinari, and all the other great characters of Ankh-Morpork. In this story, they find themselves involved in a war with the desert country of Klatch. Pratchett manages to write a very funny story that is also adventurous and bitingly real (think Iraq). Here is one of my most favorite paragraphs in...more

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Jun 26, 2008 Matthew Shepherd rated it 3 of 5 stars

KBYU Radio (of all places) turned me on to Terry Pratchett, and I've been reading him non-stop since. So far, Going Postal is my very favorite, but I've enjoyed them all quite a bit.
Fans of Jerome K. Jerome, George Orwell, and other distinctly English humorous authors will enjoy Pratchett's wit and social commentary very much.

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May 12, 2011 Greg Crites rated it 5 of 5 stars

The sheer volume of hilarity this man gave us is incalculable. More jokes, word-for-word, page-after-page, than any other has strung together since we first started painting stick-figures of four-legged lunch on dank rock walls. More importantly, beneath the fun is an unbroken strand of brilliant conceptual thinking. Jingo is far more than a hilarious read. It is a cogent examination of human interaction, expressed with humor, wit, cunning, and sarcasm. As a writer of twenty-plus humor novels my...more

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Feb 21, 2011 Nenia Campbell rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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ah, politics, why didn't you say so?

a reluctant pratchett fan, i was urged into the genre by my mother and my grandmother and quickly got infested by the discworm parasite (a bit different than ringworm--much, much harder to get rid of).

in this book, a strange sea-weed covered city called leshp rises from the seas, and promptly starts a war between two countries: ankh-morpork, who want to launch an exploration of the site for curiosity and expansion of resources, and klatch, who obviously want t...more

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May 06, 2011 Cecilia rated it 4 of 5 stars

Three and 1/2 stars. As always, I smile and chuckle when I read Terry Pratchett. I'll admit to a few out loud hoots as well. This book was no exception. It features my favorite character, Captain Vimes, along with Corporal Nobbs, Sergeant Colon, Lord Vetineri, and Captain Carrot. We are introduced to 71-hour Ahmed and learn a bit about other cultures, this time Klatchian, and we learn how politics affects events & visa versa.
I wish everybody the good luck to read a Terry Pratchett book at...more

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Jun 21, 2012 Piotr rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy, humor, fiction, series, pterry

I still get chills when I get to this section:
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Mar 18, 2010 Elizabeth (Miss Eliza) rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Sir Samuel doesn't like the pomp and circumstance of his new job title and role of husband. And he really doesn't like tights. So when an assassination attempt is bungled during a parade, obviously for Sam it's an improvement. Because the chase is what it's all about. Worry about the details later. But why would anyone want to murder the Klatchian Prince? Could it be because a very strategic island has magically appeared between the two countries and war seems imminent? With the Guild leaders an...more Sir Samuel doesn't like the pomp and circumstance of his new job title and role of husband. And he really doesn't like tights. So when an assassination attempt is bungled during a parade, obviously for Sam it's an improvement. Because the chase is what it's all about. Worry about the details later. But why would anyone want to murder the Klatchian Prince? Could it be because a very strategic island has magically appeared between the two countries and war seems imminent? With the Guild leaders and other Lords becoming power hungry and war mad, forming up militias, it's short work for them to oust Lord Vetinari and even Sir Samuel. But the key to Sam continuing to keep the peace is that handy little "sir." That sir that means he must form his own band of merry men, and who could be merrier than the city watchmen? I mean watchtrolls, golems, dwarves, zombies, werewolves, kings and Nobby (you can't really categorize Nobby). Following the leads to one 71-hour Ahmed, who then flees with Angua, means there is a ship to be requisitioned and a friend to be rescued... even if that means going all the way to Klatch. Of course the Patrician has other plans for Sergeant Colon and Nobby in a mysterious underwater vessel. But once in Klatch things get out of hand, with the watchmen being held by the D'Regs, a nomadic desert tribe known for their ruthlessness and hospitality, as well as Nobby trying to pass for a woman. But will war be avoided and can life return to normal? And can Sam ever look at his butler the same after knowing he bit off a mans ear in bloody warfare?

Terry Pratchett is the ultimate in social satire and the skewering of political situations. His handling of war is no less acute and poignant. The majority of Pratchett books seem to take me awhile to get into, but once fully ensconced, it's one of the best books I've read in ages, and this was no exception. The beginning with the whole second bowman and allusions to the Kennedy assassination was not quite working. But once Sir Samuel's path was set as the head of his own private army, it being a lords duty to protect his land and county, the book just took off. Part raucous pirate story part Lawrence of Arabia I did not want to set the book down. It's not that it just shows the flaws of war and a society hell bent on just creating hell. It shows the humanity of not just one side but both sides. The children who end up fighting people who they thought of as their friends. The lack of justice in war and the real justice that doesn't exist and maybe should... also the pointlessness of it all. For centuries jingoism dominated all countries foreign policy. A policy bent on domination and control. But despite the more "racial" jokes, they are not used derogatorily, but to show the inherent racism that still exists without any justification. The blind hatred and stupid bickering over something that is there one second and gone the next is never shown more clearly than by Pratchett who makes us laugh at our own stupidity and history, but makes us think, and then, if we're smart enough to listen... change.(less)

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Jan 10, 2013 Dean Ashton rated it 3 of 5 stars

To be fair on Terry Pratchett, my love of this book was doomed from the start by the absense of the witches. This has been where TP has excelled.
I knew this book was centred around The Watch, the Ankh-Morpork police and I figured its about time I got to know the other regulary occuring Pratchett cast. Consisting of die-hard Commander Vimes, ever optimistic Captain Carrot, and a host of other characters which include (a werewolf, a zombie, a troll and a dwarf), I found the laudable ignorance of...more

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May 23, 2008 Frank rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I'm addicted to Discworld novels about the Watch. Help me . . . oh wait, don't help me. They're fun and I really like reading them. This one was really good, and had some really great moments. Especially the organizer on an alternate timeline . . .

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May 23, 2012 b rated it 3 of 5 stars

I've been totally bingeing on the discworld Watch books, I can easily get through one a week, on top of any other reading I'm doing. This one wasn't the best, but I enjoyed it. Like many of the best pratchett books, it's fairly topical (on the subject of patriotism and cultural misunderstanding, especially between europe and the muslim world), and the solution presented is also typical of sir terry's deep humanism - search for common ground and analogous structures, beware those who exploit diff...more

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Apr 15, 2012 Lissibith rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, novel

I wish I knew why I don't like this novel as much as some of the others in the series. I suspect it has something to do with the premise being uncomfortably close to home for me as an American.

The premise revolves, as most Night Watch books do, around a mystery, but more socially it also revolves around xenophobia, cultural stereotyping and the sort of gung-ho "we kill it because it's there" attitude that's been at the base of a few wars in its time.

The book brings the familiar cast of characte...more

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Jul 26, 2011 Ron Arden added it · review of another edition

First time in awhile that I read two Discworld books in a row, but it was great. This one pits Ankh-Morpork against the kingdom of Klatch fighting over an island (Lepsh) that just appeared in the ocean. In his inimitable way, Terry Pratchett shows how silly it is to fight over these things (and things in general). Ankh-Morpork and Klatchian fisherman both say they spotted the island first and claim it as theirs. And they only reason they want it is because each was there first.

The main plot sta...more

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Nov 09, 2012 Trevin Sandlin rated it 4 of 5 stars

4.5 Stars. Discworld #21 of my read of all the Discworld novels in order (a project I've been working on for a few years now). The City Watch novels are probably my favorite of the Pratchett "groups" of Discworld books - the characters tend to be ones I enjoy spending time with and this was no exception. Moreover, I find that the Watch novels tend to deal better with "big issues" better than any of his other theme-groups (with the possible exception of the stand-alone novels). This one is no dif...more

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Jun 19, 2012 Tammy rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fantasy

Vol. 21 of Discworld. It isn't much of an island that rises up one moonless night from the depths of the Circle Sea — just a few square miles of silt and some old ruins. Unfortunately, the historically disputed lump of land called Leshp is once again floating directly between Ankh-Morpork and the city of Al-Khali on the coast of Klatch — which is spark enough to ignite that glorious international pastime called "war." Pressed into patriotic service, Commander Sam Vimes thinks he should be leadin...more

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