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Der Jesus-Zwischenfall (The Pandora Sequence #1)

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A determined group of colonists are attempting to establish a bridgehead on the planet Pandora, despite the savagery of the native lifeforms, as deadly as they are inhospitable. But they have more to deal with than just murderous aliens. Their ship's computer has been given artificial consciousness & has decided that it is God. Now it is insisting--with the considerabl ...more
Published (first published April 1st 1979)
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Kelly H. (Maybedog)
This is my favorite book of all time. I've read it numerous times and own several copies although it's out of print. I gave a little seminar thing on it once. I tried to use it as the foundation of my Master's thesis but my advisor said there was too much to say about it and to save it for my PhD.

And yet I can't review it. Perhaps that's the reason: what I have to say would be a dissertation. So anything I could write here would be insufficient.

So I'll just tell you I love it because the main
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Dee W.
Nov 12, 2007 Dee W. rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Looking back, I wish I had read Destination: Void first. This book is the sequel but can be read alone. My nature will demand the first book before I can read the third, however. There is a lot of material that takes a lot of thought within these books.

To expect less is to sell Frank Herbert short. It sounds lame to say, but being a scientist Herbert is thorough if he's anything. His books do not read like fluff, even when they are more watered down or abstract than hard science (i.e. Dune, etc)
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Bev
Feb 29, 2012 Bev rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Once upon a time in a science fictional decade far, far away there was an author named Frank Herbert. He wrote a novel called Dune and it was good. He wrote a few more Dune-related books and they were a mixture of good and bad. And he wrote a book called The White Plague and it was good as well. And then he joined up with another author (a poet) named Bill Ransom and wrote a novel called The Jesus Incident--and completely lost this member of his audience.

After having this novel (and its two comp
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Robin
Mar 14, 2012 Robin rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
First off, this book is listed on Goodreads as Voidship #2. That's like listing the Fellowship of the Rings as The Hobbit #2. It's wrong, but the analogy of the connection is right.

I love this series - it's from my favorite series from my favorite science fiction author. This is why I just re-read this book before passing it on to a friend.

Did you ever play the old Civilization games? Remember the odd scientific-statements that accompanied hallmarks of growth in a civilization? I guarantee whoev
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Jack
May 13, 2008 Jack rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
If you've read and loved Dune, this is definitely worth a read. Herbert teams up with a poet (Bill Ransom) to tell a great sci-fi story, which I just now found out from wiki is the second in a four part series!

Whoops I gotta read the first one ("Destination:Void"), and then re-read this one and the equally good sequel "The Lazarus Effect." And then read the final one ("The Ascension Factor").

I have a lot of work to do.
Veronica Sicoe
Jan 21, 2011 Veronica Sicoe rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
'Destination: Void' was amazing in and of itself, but 'The Jesus Incident' took the whole of D:V's challenging concepts to another level! Absolutely amazing book, bursting with provocative ideas and multi-layered characters.
Natasha M
Jan 24, 2008 Natasha M rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Almost as good as Dune. I love the Avata. I claimed the name...
Brad
Nov 08, 2014 Brad rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: no one
Shelves: own, sci-fi, 2014, read-sf
The Jesus Incident is science fantasy full of characters and scenes lacking verisimilitude and has an awful conclusion that delivers a simplistic theological message. Comparing God Emperor of Dune with The Jesus Incident makes it difficult to believe that Herbert had much to do with the writing of this book.

From the begining the reader is faced with the challenge of accepting that a ship has god-like powers and abilities. These abilities include telepathy without regard to distance or time, omn
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Andrew
Dec 30, 2012 Andrew rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: favorites, read-2012
Those who've read Dune will recognize many of the themes in The Jesus Incident: leadership and how leaders manipulate society, scarcity of resources, civil/human/individual rights, ecology, and religion. Though this book is called The Jesus Incident, and includes a scene in which one of the characters witnesses the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth, this is not a "Christian fiction" novel, and the religious themes are not overwhelming. Rather, their inclusion is a vehicle to demonstrate religious ...more
Scott Rhee
To fully appreciate (and possibly understand) Frank Herbert's "The Jesus Incident", one should probably read his novel "Destination: Void", which I actually think is a better novel. Herbert wrote "D:V" in 1965, and he wrote "TJI" (along with Bill Ransom) in 1979. A semi-sequel to "D:V", "TJI" takes place literally thousands of years after the events of "D:V". Raja Flattery, one of the four characters from the first novel, is awakened from his hyper-sleep on board the ship Earthling, now simply c ...more
Jess
Aug 19, 2008 Jess rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sci-fi
Quick Review: Interesting, but not my style

Long-winded, rambling review (minor spoilers):

While I really liked the idea of an omnipotent spaceship floating around in space, making and destroying worlds, messing around in people's heads, and demanding that everyone WorSHIP it, I'm not so sure about some of the other things in this book.

One thing that irked me was the attitudes of the male characters towards the females. Now, I'm sure that some of this can be explained by the fact that this book w
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Jlawrence
Jun 22, 2009 Jlawrence rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: re-reads
In Herbert's 'Destination: Void' human clones were forced to achieve an A.I.-breakthrough with their colony space craft's computer in order to survive. 'The Jesus Incident' is set countless years after that, with the sentient craft, known as Ship, worshiped as a deity by the humans ship-side and those scrabbling out an existence on the dangerous planet of Pandora (and there are disbelievers among the humans as well). Ship does seem to possess god-like powers, and is on the verge of wiping out th ...more
Gabriel Gheorghiu
Sep 27, 2015 Gabriel Gheorghiu rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Destination: Void (the prequel to this book) had some seriously strong concept going for it, as well as an interesting, pretty well developed plot. The thing that plagued it though, was the unending paragraphs of fictional technological theory. I can follow a debate regarding a concept , and I usually enjoy doing that. Want I don't enjoy, is abundant descriptions regarding all the technicalities that are required to turn that concept in reality. I'm not interested in physics (especially fiction ...more
Matthew Bowden
Mar 27, 2015 Matthew Bowden rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: sci-fi
This book confused me. I was unable to follow portions of Destination: Void due to incoherent technobabble, but I feel like I was able to pick up the main discussion on consciousness. The Jesus Incident did not give me as much grace. I'm reading this series because I'm a Herbert fan, and this doesn't quite read like a Herbert novel. Where Dune's (or rather, the first three books') overarching exposition was on prescience and the future, the Jesus Incident had the same sort of monologues on godho ...more
Tobin Elliott
This is a tough one for me. There's times this novel absolutely captured and engrossed me, and there were times when my eyes slid over the words without retaining anything, because it was just...dense? Boring? Overly confusing? All of the above?

There is so much going on in this novel, not all of it necessary. I truly believe the book could have been trimmed by half and it would have been much more impactful.

For me, when the authors (and by the way, having read a lot of Herbert, I do have to cred
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Cryptid
Aug 16, 2015 Cryptid rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I'm not sure that going for the audiobook version was a very good choice - it confused some names and obscured some parallels that would otherwise be more obvious (I don't mean Jesus Lewis - that is made just too obvious), but I liked it all the same. Herbert is still more about esoteric philosophy and religious criticism based on historic science than anything I would usually read as sci-fi. He just stages it all in some universal theater of indeterminate space and time bringing out all the pla ...more
Erik Graff
May 08, 2011 Erik Graff rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Herbert fans
Recommended to Erik by: no one
Shelves: sf
Since The Godmakers and Dune I've tended to pick up those Frank Herbert novels which appear in resale shops and used bookstore sale shelves. I've been into science fiction since childhood, picked up an interest in religion as a young adult, and now favor writers who treat of both at once. While some of Herbert's books have been disappointments--especially the later Dune novels, this wasn't.
Cian Beirdd
This novel felt like FH had went off the deep end. There are amazing alien life-forms, plots and sub-plots galore, that sentient ship, clones, genetic tampering, so much I don't often read about in other Sci-Fi. I loved the concept of the sentient planet, too, definitely something ripped off in 'Avatar' and used well here as a device for understanding our own world. And there is clearly a lesson in one character's viewing of the Jesus Incident.

As usual, the odd writing style makes things difficu
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Justin Farmer
Apr 20, 2016 Justin Farmer rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I read Dune 10-15 years ago when I was in high school and was absolutely enthralled. I had never read a more complex society, economy, or detailed ecosystem in my life. To this day, it still captures my imagination. After finishing this book, so many years post my dune reading, Frank Herbert has once again impressed me quite beyond expectations. The fact that all the technology he dreamt up in this book could potentially be a very real thing within my lifetime (some of it is very real today) is ...more
Philana Walker
Mar 05, 2009 Philana Walker rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: adolescent-bliss
Gripping. Religious-based, like Dune, but very edgy and compelling. The savior of humanity and the choices and sacrifices made in the name of human survival. If you enjoyed Dune then you will absolutely love The Jesus Incident.
Bogdan
Feb 18, 2014 Bogdan rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: new-world
DNF @ 36%

I am sorry for Frank Herbert, as I enjoyed very much Dune and I hoped I would enjoy this one too. But I am forced to abandon it as I am too tired of the lack of explanations for most of the concepts presented and the conflict does is not presented in the best favorable light. I sensed it has some great ideas, but are not put into the best form.

I am also curious to see the final rating, as I would usually rate the books I did not finished with a 1 star, but I am sure it has also some goo
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Nathan
Apr 30, 2014 Nathan rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Despite thinking about it at length, I'm still unsure why I found this book so unapproachable. Maybe it was because none of the characters stood out to me as particularly interesting or well fleshed out. So many characters seemed to differ in name only. Initially I thought Waela would be my favorite character because her introduction was the most interesting, seeing her perched stealthily on a cliff side watching the hostile savannah around her. But after a time she seemed no more interesting th ...more
Mike Smith
This book is set in the same universe as an earlier book: "Destination: Void". I may have read the first book, but it would have been a long, long time ago. I think it might help to have read Destination: Void before reading The Jesus Incident to help provide some context for the situation.



This book drops us into the middle of an ongoing crisis where crew members of a sentient, god-like spaceship known as Ship are struggling to establish a viable colony on the planet Pandora, whose native lifefo
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David
Jul 05, 2012 David rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
This was a ponderous and unenjoyable slog through an attempt at religious commentary set at the backdrop of a new colony on a distant planet. The ecology of the planet was interesting, but the Gaia/Avata references that got repeatedly pounded into your skull were wholly unsubtle. We get it already, (white) man bad--nature good. As a committed environmentalist, I find this sort of attitude unhelpful and rather insulting. Nearly all of the characters were nasty, unpleasant, unoriginal (especially ...more
Jonathan Hockey
Apr 15, 2013 Jonathan Hockey rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: science-fiction
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Rob
...The Jesus Incident is a curious book. It is clearly a little rough around the edges, not quite as good as it might have been. On the other hand, it is a book that contains a lot of ideas that are key to Herbert's writing. Apart from the works in the Dune universe this book is probably the most ambitious project in his oeuvre. It is clearly recognizable as a novel by Herbert but the collaboration with Ransom does steer a number of familiar themes in a different direction. This new angle makes ...more
Abe
Dec 03, 2015 Abe rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
The Jesus Incident is the most weird and incredible book I have ever read. The book has Raw Creative Power! Often when I was reading it my hands would start to shake because of the beauty and intensity of the book. That being said it is weird, weird, weird. Not as universal as Frank Herbert's Dune, but to me, much better. Remember that you have to read Destination Void to understand The Jesus Incident. Great, Fabulous Book!!!
binic
Jul 13, 2008 binic rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
It was far under my expectations. I didn't get why the Golgota incident was introduced in the book and why there's a character named Jesus. I didn't get why the clones should be monsters fearing and running from Pandora monsters, which in the end where not monsters at all, but only a big thinking civilized thing called Avata. But the Avata thinking civilized thing is enjoying eating colonists and is only talking with poets. And why the child is called Vata? An I have many other whys. Maybe readi ...more
George Jr.
May 17, 2015 George Jr. rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Sort of redefines the term 'searching for god'. It is also a chilling thought experiment in genetic engineering (where his own creations lament "Damn you Jesus Lewis!) As you can see, I read this a long time ago but it stuck with me.
MVV
Apr 20, 2015 MVV rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: science-fiction
Pulled this book from used book store and did not realize it was #2 in a series. I guess that is why I always seemed a bit disconnected with the flow of the story. Don't think I will read #1 or the sequels. A bit too "odd" for me.
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