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Certain Women

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A deftly woven drama that brings together elements of the theater, biblical narrative and the goings-on in unconventional families.

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Published October 22nd 1993 by HarperOne (first published 1992)

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Sep 07, 2008 Jes Phillips rated it 3 of 5 stars

This book is an example of Madeline L'Engle's penchant for creating intensely detailed, insular worlds that, on the surface seem so capable of being real but are truly populated by people that are unimaginably gracious, talented, dedicated, polite, interesting, and graceful.

This book is the story of a young woman who, will sitting on a sailboat with her dying father, is remembering her life in a family that had many children, many mothers, and one grand patriarchal figure around which the rest...more

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Mar 27, 2009 Marie rated it 3 of 5 stars

This is the first "adult" book I've read of Madeleine L'Engles. The story of a dying patriarch whose life and family somewhat mirrored that of King David. The comparisons of the two and the nonsequential plot made it somewhat confusing. But it kept my interest.

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Mar 01, 2012 Florinda rated it 4 of 5 stars

I've read a lot of Madeleine L'Engle's fiction, and generally prefer the novels that are targeted to a young-adult audience. Having said that, I believe Certain Women may be her strongest work of "adult" fiction. I first read it in the mid-'90s and found it memorable; now, re-reading it for a Faith and Fiction Roundtable discussion, I'll declare it my favorite of her adult novels as well. There's an abundance of thematic meat to this novel, but L'Engle does not sacrifice creation of distinctive...more I've read a lot of Madeleine L'Engle's fiction, and generally prefer the novels that are targeted to a young-adult audience. Having said that, I believe Certain Women may be her strongest work of "adult" fiction. I first read it in the mid-'90s and found it memorable; now, re-reading it for a Faith and Fiction Roundtable discussion, I'll declare it my favorite of her adult novels as well. There's an abundance of thematic meat to this novel, but L'Engle does not sacrifice creation of distinctive characters or a compelling storyline in order to mine it; rather, she employs them well in exploring it.

At the age of eighty-seven and facing his imminent death from cancer, renowned stage actor David Wheaton can't let go of the one role he never had the opportunity to play: his Biblical namesake, King David, in a play to be written by his son-in-law Nik Green and co-starring his actress daughter, Nik's wife Emma Wheaton. The much-married actor has often dwelled on the similarities between his life and the king's, and as he gradually brings his remaining family members together to say their goodbyes, his reflections stir memories and conversation about their past, present - and particularly for Emma, their future.[

This novel was originally published in 1992 and takes place in the mid-twentieth century, but the Wheaton family is a strikingly modern one - a highly blended one, in particular. Perhaps it's because different social and moral rules have long seemed to govern the acting world in which the family lives, but there's little flinching from David's many marriages, or over the children that several of those marriages produced. The children know each other as siblings and spend a fair amount of time together - although, as in any family, some are closer than others - and a few of the wives and ex-wives have even managed to become friends, as they are involved in raising one another's children. A few have remained close to their former husband, as well. Due to the early departure of her mother from the scene, daughter Emma grew up closest to her father, and is the first of David's children to join him and his last wife, doctor Alice, on the houseboat where he is spending the last days of his life.

Those days are spent in reading and reminiscing, frequently returning to the topic of Nik's aborted King David play and flashing back to how it developed. There's a lot of quoting from the Old Testament and discussion of the motivations of Biblical characters in these scenes, accompanied with efforts to draw parallels between the two Davids' stories. In other hands, this could bring the story to one expositional stop after another, but L'Engle makes it work in character for her characters, and it adds depth. On this reading, I was more impressed than I recall being previously by L'Engle's skill at making conversations between her characters on topics of theology and morality sound natural, and not preachy or sermon-like. One way that she makes it work is by giving her characters different worldviews...and while some of her women (and men) may be "certain," they're not inflexible. And in trying to make Old Testament stories meaningful in the context of New Testament beliefs, I think it helps not to be too overly certain in one's thinking.

Madeleine L'Engle has written a number of nonfiction works concerning religion and spirituality, and spent much of her life active in the Episcopal Church, often at New York City's Cathedral of St. John the Divine. She also acted on stage prior to becoming a writer, and was married to a stage and television actor. Certain Women draws on her familiarity with these two seemingly opposed worlds, exploring themes of family, forgiveness, and the meaning of marriage in a Biblically-inspired but thoroughly contemporary story. I'm glad I had this chance re-read it, and pleased that I'm able to appreciate it better this time around.(less)

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May 31, 2011 Sarah rated it 5 of 5 stars

I simply adore Madeleine L’Engle’s writing – which is precisely why I limit my reading of her books. When I run out of new ones, I will be completely heartbroken. She has the most amazing vocabulary! This book is incredibly powerful and emotionally charged. Emma Wheaton has to be one of the most beautiful characters out in the literary universe – mainly because of her life’s journey. The parallels L’Engle weaves between the Biblical characters and her own aren’t just entertaining, they’re influe...more

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May 20, 2011 Cyndy Aleo rated it 3 of 5 stars

Most people are probably familiar with Madeleine L'Engle from her young adult novels, such as the Newbury Award winner, A Wrinkle in Time. However, she has also written many books for adults, including her journals and novels.

L'Engle's novels for adults are often similar in theme to her young adult novels, intertwining self-reflection with spiritual themes, and usually giving at least a passing mention to the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City, and the surrounding neighborhood, wh...more Most people are probably familiar with Madeleine L'Engle from her young adult novels, such as the Newbury Award winner, A Wrinkle in Time. However, she has also written many books for adults, including her journals and novels.

L'Engle's novels for adults are often similar in theme to her young adult novels, intertwining self-reflection with spiritual themes, and usually giving at least a passing mention to the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City, and the surrounding neighborhood, where L'Engle herself often lived.

::: A Story of Two Davids :::

As Certain Women opens, we are introduced to Emma Wheaton and her father, David, both New York stage actors. David is dying, and Emma has come to spend the summer with him and his eighth wife on his boat, the Portia to say her goodbyes.

However, Emma has more to come to terms with than her father's terminal illness. Her marriage to a celebrated playwright, Nik Green, appears to be over, and as she and her father remember the past, they are drawn together over an aborted play of Nik's based on the Bible story of King David and his wives. The parallels between David Wheaton's life and that of the Biblical King force both father and daughter to face ghosts of the past and make their peace before David died.

::: Telling the Story :::

As with many of her novels, L'Engle switches constantly between plot lines. Through Nik's play, we see the story of David and his wives, and through Emma's viewpoint, we also learn David Wheaton's past as well as see his present as family members come to say goodbye, including two of his ex-wives. As David and Emma confront each memory, we also see how closely his life has followed that of the Hebrew King's, as well as where their fates are dissimilar.

Emma is also forced to look at her marriage to Nik when he comes to visit her father, as well as how her grief over events in her lives has impacted her marriage as well as her life.

::: Goliath Can't Be Vanquished That Easily :::

L'Engle, who has shown what a light hand she can have at interweaving religious elements with her secular plotlines, is so heavy-handed with this story that you feel as if you are reading the script for a Star Wars film. Look! The father's name is David! And he's had all these wives! And his wife Abigail is the wise friend, even after the divorce, just like the wise Abigail in the Bible story! It's funny that in the course of re-reading some of L'Engle's books in order to review them, I find my two least favorite, but Certain Women is one of maybe two books of hers that I really can't say I loved.

From the very beginning, you can spot the ending of the story, and the huge cast of characters means that far too many get short shrift in character development. Even for a die-hard L'Engle fan like myself, there just isn't enough meat here, unlike her other fiction for adults. I just didn't find myself caring enough about Emma or her family, no matter what tragedy or triumph she dealt with. While the advice given to Emma is to choose a wedding in life over a funeral, the book doesn't take its own advice.

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Sep 26, 2009 Amy rated it 5 of 5 stars

I knew shortly after picking up this book that the reviews would be very mixed. I have to admit I really enjoy this kind of book, though it's less of a novel and more of a philosophical narrative. I appreciate L'Engle's insight into the David story, but, even more, I admire her ability to move to an from present to past and back again. There were some very beautiful transitions from one to the other. L'Engle always brings something new to the table with regard to faith and God. I appreciate the...more

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Mar 24, 2012 Anne rated it 4 of 5 stars

A story within a story, following the end of actor David Wheaton's life as he comes to terms with his multiple marriages and children. The book is seen through the eyes of his daughter Emma, married to a playwright who is writing the life of King David as a play. L'Engle explores the parallels between David in the Book of Samuel and David Wheaton the actor in her usual ecumenical style (Emma is mainly raised by her fiery Baptist preacher grandfather, and her reasonable Episcopalian grandmother.)...more

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May 01, 2012 Caroline rated it 4 of 5 stars

This was a beautiful, life-affirming tale centered around the days a daughter spends with her dying father, remembering the past and the missteps of their large family, but ultimately reconciling with mature realization to accept imperfection and embrace the hope and quest for joy and love. The father is a renowned and charismatic actor, and the daughter is one of his very many children by very many wives. The parallels to the life of King David -- the unplayed role at the center of an unfinishe...more

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Mar 02, 2011 Jennifer (Crazy-for-Books.com) added it · review of another edition

Shelves: faith-n-fiction-roundtable, library, did-not-finish, received-in-2011, read-in-2011

Certain Women explores the sensitive issue of death and, more specifically, the fear of dying with unresolved issues. In this novel (which I did not finish), Emma Wheaton disrupts her successful stage career to be with her dying father, David Wheaton. David is also an actor, having performed in a number of plays during his long career. However, he is obsessed with the one play he never got to do - an unfinished play about the Old Testament King David, written by Emma's estranged husband, Nik.

As...more Certain Women explores the sensitive issue of death and, more specifically, the fear of dying with unresolved issues. In this novel (which I did not finish), Emma Wheaton disrupts her successful stage career to be with her dying father, David Wheaton. David is also an actor, having performed in a number of plays during his long career. However, he is obsessed with the one play he never got to do - an unfinished play about the Old Testament King David, written by Emma's estranged husband, Nik.

As David Wheaton's nine wives and eleven children gather to say their final goodbyes to David, the stories of both him and King David are simultaneously woven together and unraveled. Since Emma is the main female protagonist, the novel focuses on her upbringing and experiences being raised by the great actor that was David Wheaton. As she is surrounded by her extended and eclectic family, painful memories resurface that begin to allow her to confront her past and start the process of healing. As David Wheaton faces his approaching death, Emma grapples with her future.

Although the premise of this book highly intrigued me, the final product was less than desired. I found that there were too many characters to keep track of and it was difficult to follow the author's shift from King David to David Wheaton. With that said, what little of this novel I read made me think about some serious issues that we all face. First, if you died today, is there anything left unresolved in your life that you would regret? I certainly have some stuff going on in my personal life that I need to resolve to feel at peace. Why should we continue another day letting those feelings eat us up inside? Life is so short here on earth. We can't live it with any regret. David Wheaton's biggest regret seemed to be his unfinished play. It is mentioned incessantly throughout this book. I also think he needs to know that he is leaving this earth at peace with all of his wives and children and there is no anger or bitterness among any of them.

The second issue that I considered while reading this novel is that of redemption. David Wheaton had NINE wives. Obviously, there was something wrong there. Now, I didn't get through over half of this book, so I don't know every detail that was going on in each of those relationships, but from what I understand, each of these women came back to see David at his deathbed, so obviously the relationships ended on somewhat good terms (even though he cheated, in at least one case that I know about). So, can anyone be redeemed, regardless of what he or she has done, as long as they atone for their sins? As a Christian, I know that God can redeem any situation. But, as a human who goes through difficulties and has had some very trying times in my life, I sometimes really struggle with this concept. If a person has wronged you in a devastating way, how can we truly just forgive and move on?

As I've mentioned, I only read about half of this book. The writing was very formal and not engaging. There were too many characters to keep track of and I just didn't care too much about the storyline to keep reading it. I am not too familiar with the story of King David, so I thought this book would provide me with some great insight, but the way it was presented was very confusing to me. The novel just did not flow well and it was a huge disappointment.

Final Verdict: DNF

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Sep 17, 2008 Rachel rated it 3 of 5 stars

When I was a young whipper-snapper, L'Engle's A Wrinkle in Time series was one of my favorites. This book, more adult fiction genre, was just okay. Readable but not great.

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Oct 05, 2012 Linda Manwaring rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction-read

I think this is 3 1/2 stars. What I liked best about it is that I *could* put it down. I have a love hate relationship with books that I can't put down. The fact that I can't put those books down makes them a great read - but I hate that I am consumed by them. Certain Women is an enjoyable book. I could put it down but I enjoyed coming back to it when I could. The family is unrealistic in how all the ex-wives got along but that didn't bother me as I enjoyed the characters. I did think that Nick'...more

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Mar 08, 2008 Mike rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: general-fiction

C. S. Lewis and Tolkien would have loved to argue over this book. I will start by saying that I believe L'Engle to be the greatest female author of the 20th century in any language. That said, this is her worst book. So why am I reviewing it? I put the lack of quality in the writing...or more accurately in the plot...to the immense pressure put on L'Engle by the Spiritual/Christian community. This is not unlike what writers such as Anne Rice and Annie Lamott are facing these days. Once people di...more

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Feb 11, 2008 Amanda rated it 4 of 5 stars

This was really an interesting idea for a book. The story is about an actor named David who bears several similarities to the biblical King David, namely the number of wives and children he has. The story jumps around between David's deathbed, her past and the story of King David, and it deals with a lot of different heavy and emotional issues, including adultery, miscarriage, rape, and a multitude of marriage problems. I love that this huge complicated family is so caring, that the past wives g...more

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Dec 05, 2007 Mollie rated it 5 of 5 stars

This may be one of my favorite books of all time. Part of it is how and when this book came to me. My mother was an avid reader; she ATE books is more accurate. But when she was sick at the end of her life she wasn't able to enjoy reading any more. This book was one of a very few on her night stand when she died. I'm not sure if she ever finished reading it or not, but there were a few marks from pages that had been dog eared along the way, so I hope she did. It's the story of a family, a New Yo...more

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Jan 21, 2008 Amanda rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: have-yet-to-finish, in-my-collection

It has been difficult going from "A Wrinkle in Time" to this. I picked it up shortly after L'Engle's death a few months ago, mostly for nostalgic reasons, and also to read another book by a truly incredible author.

The story follows David - a broadway actor who is sailing with his wife and daughter recounting his life. David is dying and there is nothing to do but wait. David's life is paralleled with King David - including the multiple wifes and numerous children. David always wanted to do a pl...more

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Jan 12, 2013 Laura rated it 4 of 5 stars

I have learned a bit from this book. Many wise thoughts. We are all damaged goods. We all fail one another. We must accept the darkness. For if there is no darkness for the light to shine against , we cannot see the light. When wrong is done, everybody pays. Eventually we have to realize it's all paid for. Stop thinking of blame and guilt. Actions have consequences and they must be played out. And we have to let them go. At the crossroads we can choose the wedding or the funeral...good book.

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Jun 02, 2012 Adrian rated it 3 of 5 stars

I read this a long time ago as a teenager and wanted to see if it was more satisfying now that I'm a little older and have a little more experience with life. The answer is, yes. I've always been fascinated with King David and his wives, and this story takes a modern David and gives him lots of wives and children and tells the story from the point of view of one of his daughters. The one who matches with Tamar in the Biblical story. I enjoyed the book but I'm not sure I'll ever read it again.

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Jan 27, 2013 Cheryl rated it 3 of 5 stars

I found this an interesting but difficult book to read. It's a parallel story -- King David of the Bible and David Wheaton, an actor. both have a series of wives and children -- Wheaton had 9 wives and 11 children. Emma, David's daughter who followed him in to the theater and often played opposite him, tells the story. She explores the various twists and turns of families, interspersed with more of King David's family stories.

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Aug 20, 2010 Jenny rated it 4 of 5 stars

I never knew L'Engle wrote adult fiction. I found this book at the library book sale quite a while ago and for some reason put off reading it. I loved it! The complexities of family life and the characters were so real. I enjoyed learning more of King David's story as well, especially with the book's characters lending more insight into the personalities of the biblical characters. There were great discussions on sin, repentance, forgiveness, free will, and humanity, among other topics, woven in...more

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May 14, 2013 Heather rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction

typical L'Engle: well-written, issues of families, generations, religion, sex, death. But I wouldn't read it again.

It recounts the dying time of elderly actor named David who had many wives and children. Interwoven is the semi-parallel story of King David via an unfinished play script. Be forwarned there is a rape of a main character in the novel.

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Jan 03, 2011 Margaret rated it 2 of 5 stars

I picked this up when looking for A Wrinkle in Time. I liked the main plot (a dying patriarch's reminiscences of life as a stage actor and relationships with multiple wives and children), but felt that the dialogue used to weave his story into the biblical story of King David was very dull and too forced. Despite that, though, the story held my attention until the end of the book.

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Jun 15, 2009 Rrshively rated it 3 of 5 stars

This book was written in the 70's, I believe, and mentions some of the issues then such as communes. However, it deals with many of life's issues and leaves one with the idea that most people are not all good or all bad, and that everyone makes mistakes but life goes on. This book hops about among characters and deals with the past and present in the members of a large family while also paralleling the story of King David in the Bible.

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Jan 20, 2009 Jennifer rated it 3 of 5 stars

If there's any writer whose books should be re-read in order to learn something new, it's Madeleine L'Engle's. Having said that, I was a bit overwhelmed with all the characters and trying to understand all the connections between the biblical King David and the contemporary David Wheaton.

One reason I read this book was to prepare for a women's book club meeting next Tuesday. I may read the biblical story in I and II Samuel before then. Wonder how the discussion will go ...

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Jul 27, 2011 Apryl Anderson rated it 5 of 5 stars

Amazingly good for it's depth and truth. Simple lives are so complex, and nobody but Madeline L'Engle can create characters with such light and shadow. This novel shows her gift of presenting the human condition in all its comedy and tragedy. (This is no sci-fi thriller, if that's what you're looking for.)

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Oct 24, 2008 Sharon rated it 1 of 5 stars

Certain Women was a good idea and should have been written by Walker Percy.
The story is about a man named David who had nine wives and how his life and wives and children's lives paralleled David's.
Madeleine L'Engle is interesting in her children's books. I even enjoyed them. But Certain Women was rough to read. I almost didn't finish it. The plot was an excuse to hear herself talk - which meant the plot was also very hard to find. The writing was just plain bad. The characters weren't believabl...more

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Feb 27, 2012 Becca rated it 4 of 5 stars

I picked this book randomly from the library shelf because I recognized L'Engle's name from the "A Wrinkle In Time" series and had never read any of her adult novels. This book looks back on the life of a theater actor named David Wheaton as he is dying of cancer, comparing it to the life of the biblical David. The story actually centers more around his daughter, Emma, and her relationships with his many wives and other children. A very philosophical book with many interesting family relationshi...more

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Oct 13, 2009 Wendy rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: read-or-reread-in-09

For a while I read every L'Engle book I could find, but there are many I would not revisit now. This was a re-read that I didn't like as well as I remembered.

Even though I don't agree with all of her theology, L'Engle manages as usual to create touching, flawed, interesting characters.

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Jan 14, 2010 Mystie Winckler rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction, 2010

MCL. Elly's book club read it, so I checked it out, too. I give it 3, because I was certain once I realized what she was trying to do, it would be a 2. I think she pulled off what she intended. If I could, I'd give it a 2 1/2.

It's a good choice for an entertainment novel.

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May 04, 2012 Maureen E rated it 3 of 5 stars

This is not in the normal vein of L’Engle books I enjoy. In fact, I’m still not sure if I did like it or not. I liked the characters and, at the same time, felt somewhat impatient with them. I’m not sorry I read it, but I doubt I’ll want to revisit it.

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Sep 18, 2009 Jean rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: memoir-female

If you had a lot of time, a lot of affection for Madeleine Engle, and a hankering for ye olde mannered life of NYC and CT countryside society populated by actors/writers, you’d like this. A bit predictable and preachy/religious at times.

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About Madeleine L'Engle

Madeleine L'Engle was an American writer best known for her Young Adult fiction, particularly the Newbery Medal-winning A Wrinkle in Time and its sequels A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, and Many Waters. Her works reflect her strong interest in modern science: tesseracts, for example, are featured prominently in A Wrinkle in Time, mitochondrial DNA in A Wind in the Door, organ regener...more Madeleine L'Engle was an American writer best known for her Young Adult fiction, particularly the Newbery Medal-winning A Wrinkle in Time and its sequels A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, and Many Waters. Her works reflect her strong interest in modern science: tesseracts, for example, are featured prominently in A Wrinkle in Time, mitochondrial DNA in A Wind in the Door, organ regeneration in The Arm of the Starfish, and so forth.

"Madeleine was born on November 29th, 1918, and spent her formative years in New York City. Instead of her school work, she found that she would much rather be writing stories, poems and journals for herself, which was reflected in her grades (not the best). However, she was not discouraged.

At age 12, she moved to the French Alps with her parents and went to an English boarding school where, thankfully, her passion for writing continued to grow. She flourished during her high school years back in the United States at Ashley Hall in Charleston, South Carolina, vacationing with her mother in a rambling old beach cottage on a beautiful stretch of Florida Beach.

She went to Smith College and studied English with some wonderful teachers as she read the classics and continued her own creative writing. She graduated with honors and moved into a Greenwich Village apartment in New York. She worked in the theater, where Equity union pay and a flexible schedule afforded her the time to write! She published her first two novels during these years--A Small Rain and Ilsa--before meeting Hugh Franklin, her future husband, when she was an understudy in Anton Chekov's The Cherry Orchard. They married during The Joyous Season.

She had a baby girl and kept on writing, eventually moving to Connecticut to raise the family away from the city in a small dairy farm village with more cows than people. They bought a dead general store, and brought it to life for 9 years. They moved back to the city with three children, and Hugh revitalized his professional acting career. The family has kept the country house, Crosswicks, and continues to spend summers there.

As the years passed and the children grew, Madeleine continued to write and Hugh to act, and they to enjoy each other and life. Madeleine began her association with the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine, where she has been the librarian and maintained an office for more than thirty years. After Hugh's death in 1986, it was her writing and lecturing that kept her going. She has now lived through the 20th century and into the 21st and has written over 60 books and keeps writing. She enjoys being with her friends, her children, her grandchildren, and her great grandchildren."

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