Ilium (Ilium #1)
by
Dan Simmons
The Trojan War rages at the foot of Olympos Mons on Mars—observed and influenced from on high by Zeus and his immortal family—and twenty-first-century professor Thomas Hockenberry is there to play a role in the insidious private wars of vengeful gods and goddesses. On Earth, a small band of the few remaining humans pursues a lost past and devastating truth—as four sentient
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Published
June 28th 2005
by HarperTorch
(first published 2003)
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Christmas 2010: I realised that I had got stuck in a rut. I was re-reading old favourites again and again, waiting for a few trusted authors to release new works. Something had to be done.
On the spur of the moment I set myself a challenge, to read every book to have won the Locus Sci-Fi award. That’s 35 books, 6 of which I’d previously read, leaving 29 titles by 14 authors who were new to me.
While working through this reading list I got married, went on my honeymoon, switched career and became...more
Most excellent.
I like SF, and I like much of what gets lumped under the rather stuffy title 'classic literature'. Clearly, so does Dan Simmons. Set in a very distant future, long after both AI and posthumans have merged, this novel contains three main storylines, all of which ventually intersect.
First, there's a group of languid, pleasure-seeking old-style humans living on old earth, all their needs taken care of by mechanical servitors left for them, presumably, by the posthumans. Upon comple...more
I like SF, and I like much of what gets lumped under the rather stuffy title 'classic literature'. Clearly, so does Dan Simmons. Set in a very distant future, long after both AI and posthumans have merged, this novel contains three main storylines, all of which ventually intersect.
First, there's a group of languid, pleasure-seeking old-style humans living on old earth, all their needs taken care of by mechanical servitors left for them, presumably, by the posthumans. Upon comple...more
"Literary science fiction". One of the words in this phrase struggles and strains against the other two like an 18-month old who doesn't want to be picked up. It doesn't want to be associated with a genre that often is long on ideas and short on quality prose and sharp and distinct style. It often succeeds in escaping the pull of science fiction's weak gravity. Occassionaly, an author creates a story that is so dense that the word is held in place in an unstable orbit. Ultimately many of those f...more
Sep 15, 2007
James Williams
rated it
4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
people who think that the Trojan war with nanites sounds like fun
According to the cover for Ilium, it was nominated for the Hugo Novel of the Year in 2004. It absolutely deserved it. It also didn't win, and it deserved that as well.
Don't get me wrong. It's a great book and I loved reading it (indeed, this was the second time I read it and I think I enjoyed it more the second time). It's really three stories all happening in different places in the solar system at the same time, inevitably approaching one another. It's rare to find a book tries this and does...more
Don't get me wrong. It's a great book and I loved reading it (indeed, this was the second time I read it and I think I enjoyed it more the second time). It's really three stories all happening in different places in the solar system at the same time, inevitably approaching one another. It's rare to find a book tries this and does...more
Jul 22, 2007
Mark
rated it
5 of 5 stars
·
review of another edition
Recommends it for:
sci-fi fans, literature fans
The Iliad serves as the starting point here ("Sing, O Muse, of the rage of Achilles..."), and from there Dan Simmons proceeds to amaze you with some of the most literate science fiction you'll ever read. The story unfolds in three parts, which are skillfully woven together to increase dramatic tension as the plot lines spiral closer to each other. The end of Ilium is a soft stop, there is some closure but it leaves much open for the next book Olympos.
The science fiction is the good stuff that s...more
The science fiction is the good stuff that s...more
Jun 12, 2007
Matt
rated it
5 of 5 stars
·
review of another edition
Recommends it for:
not just sci-fi readers
The plot of this book is to complex to even attempt to go into but it has a dead historian recording events of the Trojan war for the gods, strange humans on a seemingly distant future earth, a machine race of explorers living on the outskirts of the solar system, and Shakespeare. Believe it or not they all go together in not such a surreal way as you might think. The characters are well rounded and evolve with the story. I don't know that it has important moral implications in the world but it...more
4 stars in the sub-category of entertaining science fiction.
Ilium is a fun read if you're looking for entertaining science fiction. It is quality writing, yet at the same time doesn't burden itself with too much of an attempt at an overarching theme, message, and/or deep philsophical life lessons.
The story is quite interesting as (and this is hardly a spoiler) it's a new tale interleaved with characters, plot lines, and ideas from the Homer, Shakespeare, and other literary works. I imagine it's...more
Ilium is a fun read if you're looking for entertaining science fiction. It is quality writing, yet at the same time doesn't burden itself with too much of an attempt at an overarching theme, message, and/or deep philsophical life lessons.
The story is quite interesting as (and this is hardly a spoiler) it's a new tale interleaved with characters, plot lines, and ideas from the Homer, Shakespeare, and other literary works. I imagine it's...more
Prepare to have mind blown.
I like dense reads, and I like immersing myself in complex worlds created by brilliant minds... but never, NEVER have I read a more astonishingly complex novel. 1/2 the way through this gigantic mind bender I was still completely without a clue about what was going on in the book. The fact that I and so many others rate this book so highly tells you a little something about our Mr. Simmons and the quality of his writing. Who get's away with this?? Nobody does... excpet...more
I like dense reads, and I like immersing myself in complex worlds created by brilliant minds... but never, NEVER have I read a more astonishingly complex novel. 1/2 the way through this gigantic mind bender I was still completely without a clue about what was going on in the book. The fact that I and so many others rate this book so highly tells you a little something about our Mr. Simmons and the quality of his writing. Who get's away with this?? Nobody does... excpet...more
Loved it. Dan Simmons has a way of writing page-turners that don't feel dumbed down (or smart books that stay exciting?). The concept is great fun for people with a background in classical history; it made me want to go back and re-read the Iliad. However, he's up to his old tricks again with regards to setting his hooks in deep and then leaving you hanging for the sequel, just like Hyperion, even though I loved that book too. I bought Olympos anyway, and am planning to read it soon.
Intricate plot, excellent book. How does Simmons think this stuff up?: Mr. Simmons is arguably one of the best genre-hopping authors around, having pulled down awards for SciFi, Horror, Fantasy, etc. But this massive book (700+ pages in the paperback) makes me wonder exactly how does he think this excellent stuff up?
Ilium mixes the Trojan War (is it the real Trojan War, or a setup re-creation?), future humans (who are so pampered that they have forgotten or have been forced to forget their hist...more
Ilium mixes the Trojan War (is it the real Trojan War, or a setup re-creation?), future humans (who are so pampered that they have forgotten or have been forced to forget their hist...more
Originally published on my blog here in August 2004.
To science fiction fans, Dan Simmons is best known for his award winning novel Hyperion, which uses the poetry of John Keats as its inspiration. In Ilium, his most recent novel and a return to the genre (in which he writes occasionally), the literary references are there again. Here, though, they are made more central (being far more frequently referred to directly), and are more varied. Homer is naturally the most obvious, but there are also d...more
To science fiction fans, Dan Simmons is best known for his award winning novel Hyperion, which uses the poetry of John Keats as its inspiration. In Ilium, his most recent novel and a return to the genre (in which he writes occasionally), the literary references are there again. Here, though, they are made more central (being far more frequently referred to directly), and are more varied. Homer is naturally the most obvious, but there are also d...more
Първият ми сблъсък с творчеството на Симънс – да именно сблъсък, защото реалностите, които създава Симънс, се стоварват върху съзнанието ти неочаквано, безжалостно и те обсебват без остатък, бе Хиперион. Определят четирите книги от поредицата като „space opera“ (проучването по въпроса ме остави с впечатлението, че терминът се използва повече с негативен оттенък), но за мен те бяха истинско откровение. Не знам кое ме впечатли толкова много в Хиперион – фактът, че само първата книга бе като пет кн...more
I liked this book when I was EXTREMELY skeptical about it. There are three plot lines that run through this book that eventually come together about 700 pages in (well, at least two of them do). Simmons is a brilliant writer; some of the best lines/paragraghs I've ver read are in this book. Some of it was mind numbingly boring. And a very tiny bit of it was almost Piers Anthony-esque with needless boob talk. I get how you need to describe the beauty of Helen of Troy, he just doesn't do it well.
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Dan Simmons has a habit of doing this to me. He writes a book that tells a smart, no-nonsense story. He doesn't dumb it down for fear of alienating his audience. I guess he figures that the folks who dig his books will get it. He did the same thing with the Hyperion Cantos. Wonderful stuff with characters who are internally consistent, even if you can't really tell that from the beginning.
One thing I've noticed, though. Dan likes to write about writers. The Hyperion Cantos had a poet. His small...more
One thing I've noticed, though. Dan likes to write about writers. The Hyperion Cantos had a poet. His small...more
I can't seem to say enough in the way of praise for Dan Simmons. The guy is a frickin' genius and one of the best writers working in any genre today. "Ilium" is his science fiction magnum opus. It is a grand epic in the same way Tolkein's "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and Frank Herbert's "Dune" series were grand epics in their genre. The funny thing is Simmons's "Ilium" is a sci-fi epic ABOUT one of the greatest epics of all time, Homer's "The Iliad". Well, it's not so much about "The Iliad" as it...more
My review of Ilium in a nutshell:
“I liked it?”
AMBISHUN: DAN SIMMONS HAZ IT.
I’m not sure if it is possible to be too ambitious when creating a plot for a novel, but Dan Simmons seems to be on a mission to find out. There are concepts, there are high concepts, and there are Dan Simmons concepts.
When it’s time for Simmons to begin a new novel, I picture something like this:
Dan Simmons is smoking a pipe (made from the bones of an aurochs), deep in the bowels of Stately Simmons Manor. Inspiration...more
“I liked it?”
AMBISHUN: DAN SIMMONS HAZ IT.
I’m not sure if it is possible to be too ambitious when creating a plot for a novel, but Dan Simmons seems to be on a mission to find out. There are concepts, there are high concepts, and there are Dan Simmons concepts.
When it’s time for Simmons to begin a new novel, I picture something like this:
Dan Simmons is smoking a pipe (made from the bones of an aurochs), deep in the bowels of Stately Simmons Manor. Inspiration...more
The Illiad on Mars. Sounds absolutely ridiculous right? Turns out it's awesome.
Ilium is a wonderful science fiction book by Dan Simmons that takes this very concept, combines it with philosophical robots from the far reaches of space and ignorant humans on Earth in the far future. All of the story-lines run parallel to each other and weave a fascinating world very different from our own.
This is science-fiction, but the "fantasy of science-fiction" as my boyfriend describes it. The concepts aren'...more
Ilium is a wonderful science fiction book by Dan Simmons that takes this very concept, combines it with philosophical robots from the far reaches of space and ignorant humans on Earth in the far future. All of the story-lines run parallel to each other and weave a fascinating world very different from our own.
This is science-fiction, but the "fantasy of science-fiction" as my boyfriend describes it. The concepts aren'...more
This is science fiction at it's creative best. I found it a little hard to get my head around it at first because it is written in a combination of present and past tense. The technology that exists in this universe is not really described and there is a lot that the reader will need to work out for themselves.
But if you can get past that (and it's really easy to do) you'll have a read that is pure genius.
It is the first of 2 books, the second titled Olympos.
Also, if you get through this, then y...more
But if you can get past that (and it's really easy to do) you'll have a read that is pure genius.
It is the first of 2 books, the second titled Olympos.
Also, if you get through this, then y...more
A friend lent me this book (the same one who gave me Guns, Germs, and Steel and Year of Rice and Salt). The truth is, I would never have chosen it on my own; however, I am very glad he did (and that I have a compulsion to read whatever a person gives me) because I LOVED it!
I am not the hugest fan of the Iliad/Odyssey, having been forced to read most of it in English for various classes throughout high school and college, and translate parts of it from Latin in college. Nor am I the hugest fan of...more
I am not the hugest fan of the Iliad/Odyssey, having been forced to read most of it in English for various classes throughout high school and college, and translate parts of it from Latin in college. Nor am I the hugest fan of...more
Величавото двутомие “Илион” и “Олимп” е фантастика от друго измерение!: http://www.knigolandia.info/2009/11/b...
След изумителната “Фондацията” на Азимов в ръцете ми попадна и едно друго фантастично произведение, което изтрива границите между класическа литература и научната фантастика. Това е двутомието “Илион” и “Олимп” на неповторимия Дан Симънс, познат основно с невероятната тетралогия “Хиперион”.
Двете книги са наситени с безкрайно въображение. В тях са събрани няколко паралелни сюжетни лини...more
След изумителната “Фондацията” на Азимов в ръцете ми попадна и едно друго фантастично произведение, което изтрива границите между класическа литература и научната фантастика. Това е двутомието “Илион” и “Олимп” на неповторимия Дан Симънс, познат основно с невероятната тетралогия “Хиперион”.
Двете книги са наситени с безкрайно въображение. В тях са събрани няколко паралелни сюжетни лини...more
An alternate future earth where humans have forgotten how to read. Living robots who share a love of classic literature. An ancient Greek battle where iconic heroes do battle with the gods of Olympus. Mix these all up in a space opera novel (or two) and you get the novels Ilium by Dan Simmons. This complex, lengthy tome is quite the journey, spanning two books (the second is Olympos, but I’m just writing one review for both novels).
The plot lines are so complicated and detailed (indeed, each b...more
The plot lines are so complicated and detailed (indeed, each b...more
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In spite of the violent content, I really like Dan Simmons' Hyperion and its sequel.
This book looked like it had potential. For reasons unknown, the Greek gods are kicking it on Mars and the Trojan War is being fought with a lot of their participation.
Now the book starts throwing in all sorts of sci-fi wonders...nice, but not enough to save this.
First- it's far too detailed and has too many repeated references to the Iliad. Second, some seriously unbelievable things happen several times. And th...more
This book looked like it had potential. For reasons unknown, the Greek gods are kicking it on Mars and the Trojan War is being fought with a lot of their participation.
Now the book starts throwing in all sorts of sci-fi wonders...nice, but not enough to save this.
First- it's far too detailed and has too many repeated references to the Iliad. Second, some seriously unbelievable things happen several times. And th...more
This book is like a mix of the retelling of the Iliad and Battlestar Galactica. It has many intriguing ingredients, all of which scream out "What could possibly go wrong? And what the heck is going on?": trans-humanism, Mars colonization, a future dystopia-utopia, multi-verses or parallel universes, sentient machines, and even more incongruously, a discourse on classical literature.
Aside from using my favorite ingredients, this novel was weak from a literary perspective. The narrative is disjoi...more
Aside from using my favorite ingredients, this novel was weak from a literary perspective. The narrative is disjoi...more
2 of the 3 story-lines in this book are great as the story of the Illiad is re-told with a sci-fi/futurist/mythological bent - I couldn't stop reading these parts. Unfortunately, the third story-line is an odd and slightly boring robo-fest. However, my biggest problem is that I cannot imagine that the next installment of this book could possibly tie this all together. Accordingly, I don't know that I can recommend this book, even though I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Imagine the Trojan war, imagine Mount Olympos with the entire pantheon of Greek gods, imagine a couple of sentient robots on a mission to do recon in Mars, imagine a post apocalyptic world where human beings are nothing but insensitive drones and to top it all off imagine a human trying to take Achilles and Hector to war against Zeus...this is what Ilium is about.
Dan Simmons creates a mind boggling tale of Sci Fi, Myth and Fantasy merged into one. The tale starts off as seen from three perspecti...more
Dan Simmons creates a mind boggling tale of Sci Fi, Myth and Fantasy merged into one. The tale starts off as seen from three perspecti...more
I got into it after a while. Not as quickly as I thought since I figured I would love it as it is sort of about Troy. But it was also Sci-fi which was never a strong love for me. But I still really enjoyed it after I got past how ridiculous some of the ‘sci-fi’ things were. Also after I stopped trying to imagine some of the sci-fi devices and settings. I don’t know if I’m just not used to it or he doesn’t do a good job painting a picture with words, but at the end I couldn’t even really imagine...more
Dan Simmons knows how to write a good yarn, one that pulls threads from many different directions. Sometimes they come together to form a beautiful, mind-blowing, shimmering suit of armor, like the Hyperion tetralogy. Other times, you get something that feels warm and fuzzy, but is more like a patchwork sweater that Grandma gave you and you can only wear inside the house. Ilium is somewhere in between: not quite the masterpiece of Hyperion, but something that keeps your interest.
I really enjoyed...more
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How very unfortunate that Simmons' duologies fail with the second book as much as they succeed in the first book. I was really looking forward to reading Olympos, the second book of this duology, until I read the abysmal reviews.
But apparently, Simmons plays even more havoc with his created world-- that of a re-imagined Trojan War, set on Mars no less, and the Earth that can no longer house true humans except those who live exactly 100 years and have no culture to speak...more
How very unfortunate that Simmons' duologies fail with the second book as much as they succeed in the first book. I was really looking forward to reading Olympos, the second book of this duology, until I read the abysmal reviews.
But apparently, Simmons plays even more havoc with his created world-- that of a re-imagined Trojan War, set on Mars no less, and the Earth that can no longer house true humans except those who live exactly 100 years and have no culture to speak...more
The positive: Where Hyperion was Chaucer IN SPACE WITH CRUCIFORM PARASITES AND WEIRD STUFF HAPPENING, this is the Iliad IN SPACE, WITH ROBOTS, AND POSSIBLY THE GREEK GODS ARE REAL/TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR BEINGS WHO ACT LIKE GODS SORT OF MOST OF THE TIME. It's a lot of fun and, like Hyperion, benefits from the reader knowing something about the source material.
The negative: Unfortunately, while I "got" the Shakespeare and mythology references, the Proust and Iliad sections lost me. Thank goodnes...more
The negative: Unfortunately, while I "got" the Shakespeare and mythology references, the Proust and Iliad sections lost me. Thank goodnes...more
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Dan Simmons was born in Peoria, Illinois, in 1948, and grew up in various cities and small towns in the Midwest, including Brimfield, Illinois, which was the source of his fictional "Elm Haven" in 1991's SUMMER OF NIGHT and 2002's A WINTER HAUNTING. Dan received a B.A. in English from Wabash College in 1970, winning a national Phi Beta Kappa Award during his senior year for excellence in fiction,...more
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“Want to talk about Shakespeare's sonnets?" asked Orphu of Io.
Are you shitting me?" The moravecs loved the ancient human colloquial phrases, the more scatological the better.
Yes," said Orphu. "I am most definitely shitting you, my friend.”
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Are you shitting me?" The moravecs loved the ancient human colloquial phrases, the more scatological the better.
Yes," said Orphu. "I am most definitely shitting you, my friend.”
“Rage.
Sing, O Muse, of the rage of Achilles, of Peleus’ son, murderous, man-killer, fated to die, sing of the rage that cost the Achaeans so many good men and sent so many vital, hearty souls down to the dreary House of Death. And while you’re at it, Muse, sing of the rage of the gods themselves, so petulant and so powerful here on their new Olympos, and of the rage of the post-humans, dead and gone though they might be, and of the rage of those few true humans left, self-absorbed and useless though they have become. While you are singing, O Muse, sing also of the rage of those thoughtful, sentient, serious but not-so-close-to-human beings out there dreaming under the ice of Europa, dying in the sulfur ash of Io, and being born in the cold folds of Ganymede.
Oh, and sing of me, O Muse, poor born-against-his-will Hockenberry, dead Thomas Hockenberry, Ph.D., Hockenbush to his friends, to friends long since turned to dust on a world long since left behind. Sing of my rage, yes, of my rage, O Muse, small and insignificant though that rage might be when measured against the anger of the immortal gods, or when compared to the wrath of the god-killer Achilles.
On second though, O Muse, sing nothing of me. I know you. I have been bound and servant to you, O Muse, you incomparable bitch. And I do not trust you, O Muse. Not one little bit.”
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Sing, O Muse, of the rage of Achilles, of Peleus’ son, murderous, man-killer, fated to die, sing of the rage that cost the Achaeans so many good men and sent so many vital, hearty souls down to the dreary House of Death. And while you’re at it, Muse, sing of the rage of the gods themselves, so petulant and so powerful here on their new Olympos, and of the rage of the post-humans, dead and gone though they might be, and of the rage of those few true humans left, self-absorbed and useless though they have become. While you are singing, O Muse, sing also of the rage of those thoughtful, sentient, serious but not-so-close-to-human beings out there dreaming under the ice of Europa, dying in the sulfur ash of Io, and being born in the cold folds of Ganymede.
Oh, and sing of me, O Muse, poor born-against-his-will Hockenberry, dead Thomas Hockenberry, Ph.D., Hockenbush to his friends, to friends long since turned to dust on a world long since left behind. Sing of my rage, yes, of my rage, O Muse, small and insignificant though that rage might be when measured against the anger of the immortal gods, or when compared to the wrath of the god-killer Achilles.
On second though, O Muse, sing nothing of me. I know you. I have been bound and servant to you, O Muse, you incomparable bitch. And I do not trust you, O Muse. Not one little bit.”

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