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In the fifth century BC professional educators, the sophists, travelled the Greek world claiming to teach success in public and private life. In this dialogue Plato shows the pretensions of the leading sophist, Protagoras, challenged by the critical arguments of Socrates. From criticism of the educational aims and methods of the sophists the dialogue broadens out to consid ...more
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Published December 19th 1996 by Oxford University Press, USA (first published January 1st -381)
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Riku Sayuj

“It makes no difference to me, provided you give the answers, whether it is your own opinion or not. I am primarily interested in testing the argument, although it may happen both that the questioner, myself, and my respondent wind up being tested.”

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“Well, then, do you say that ignorance is to have a false belief and to be deceived about matters of importance?”


THE TAO OF TEACHING

The Protagoras is at its core a simple dialogue that questions the role of teachers in society - Is teaching po
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Sookie
Jul 29, 2016 Sookie rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Socrates, my friend, you were bit of a dick in there.

Protagoras made an exemplary opponent in this dialogue, standing his ground and holds himself quite well in front of Socrates. Socrates doesn't just ask questions but decimates some of the views held by Protagoras. The dialogue in itself is meandering in nature (even more so than the others I've read till now) and it doesn't seem Socrates is really interested in knowing what Protagoras is really talking about. The dialogue is aesthetically ple
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Melika Khoshnezhad
قشنگ گيج شده بودم از سرعت و سوال و جواب هاي سقراط و پروتاگوراس . حتا قلبم هم تند تند مي زد بعضي جاها انقدر بحثشون هيجان انگيز ميشد.
David Sarkies
Apr 05, 2014 David Sarkies rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Anybody
Recommended to David by: David Hester
Shelves: philosophy
Socrates on teaching morality
24 January 2013

This I feel is one of Plato's later dialogues, though it is still very Socratic in form. It is believed that the main part of the dialogue (it is not really a dialogue in that it seems to be more like a retelling of an earlier event, an event which most likely occurred before Plato was born, than a first hand account of a discussion). However, I also note that there is no reference to the theory of Forms, so it appears that this particular work is pro
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Duffy Pratt
Jan 11, 2014 Duffy Pratt rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
This is maybe the only dialogue I've read which was actually a dialogue. So often, a Platonic dialogue consists of little more than Socrates asking a series of questions, some of them lasting for a page or more, and then his interlocutor giving a one to three word answer. Here, Protagoras stands up for his own views, and he seems to hold his own fairly well with Socrates. He's not simply a foil, or if he is, he is not a simple foil.

The structure of the dialogue also tends to meander more than us
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Rosa Ramôa
Nov 25, 2014 Rosa Ramôa rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
"Quando mandam (o rapaz de 7 anos) à escola,recomendam aos mestres que se preocupem tanto com o seu comportamento como com o seu conhecimento das das letras e da cítara.(...)Mais tarde (aos 12 anos),envia-se o jovem ao mestre de educação física,para que a sua inteligência já formada disponha de um corpo igualmente são e para que ele não recue perante os deveres da guerra(...).Enfim,quando o jovem se liberta da escola,a pólis obriga-o a aprender as leis e ensina-o a reger a sua vida por elas."
Vincent Saint-Simon
Oct 09, 2007 Vincent Saint-Simon rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Protagoras
Sirs and Madams,

I have my own reasons for liking this book, and they have more to do with style than content. That said, there is also some pretty good content.

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Catherine Woodman

Plato’s Protagoras is a public conversation that Socrates had with Protagoras. In the dialogue Protagoras is a sophist who tells Sophocles friend Hippocrates that if he chooses to study with him “the very day you become my pupil you will go home a better man.: He claimed that he could teach his pupils to be good citizens and that his students would learn “how to make the most effective contribution to the affairs of the city both by words and action.” Protagoras maintains that he can teach virt
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Gary
Jul 10, 2016 Gary rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Plato is always a good writer. Socrates is always worth understanding. This one short dialog would be the philosophical work I would suggest everyone to start with if they're interested in philosophy (wisdom, what we can 'know' about reality). The conflict between the known and the knowing (the being and the becoming, the absolute and the non-absolute, and even the existence and the essence) is captured by this one dialog. At the heart of all the confusion, disagreement and talking past each oth ...more
Dylan Grant
Whenever I read one of Plato's great dialogues, the topics discussed therein always serendipitously align with what is transpiring in my life. I am presently in something of a crisis over the lack of clarity in my ethical beliefs, and certainly needed to hear Socrates' argument that what virtue is in-and-of-itself is wisdom, and that men are not "overcome by pleasure" but by ignorance.

Socrates' legendary humility is also on full display here. He narrates this dialogue and is often intimidated a
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David Williamson
Protagoras has three elements that make it a worthwhile read - 1; it is more Socratic than Platonic, if this could ever be the case. 2; Socrates has someone who can actually argue his case against him, although it is still heavily in Socrates favour, and - 3; it involves Protagoras (i.e. 'Man is the measure of all things ...').



It is true that this book does not delve particularly too deep into any questioning of virtue, knowledge or the Good. But it is good to see Plato being caught at his loose
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Niva Couto
Jan 01, 2016 Niva Couto rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"A mim, com efeito, esta interpretação parece-me clara, que nenhum homem sábio acredita que algum ser humano incorra voluntariamente em falta, nem cometa voluntariamente ações más e vergonhosas; antes, sabe bem que todos aqueles que cometem ações más e vergonhosas as cometem involuntariamente."

Protágoras é, dos diálogos de Platão que eu já li, o no qual Sócrates mais evidencia sua COMPLETA ignorância da natureza humana. Isso que dá a pessoa ficar desocupada e pensando o dia inteiro ao invés de
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Garrett Cash
This is an interesting Socratic dialogue. Rather than some layman thinker that Socrates mows down like a Gatling gun, he debates the older, more respected sophist thinker Protagoras. This is set when Socrates was a young man of 35 (it's the Socrates version of Batman Begins!) and not as experienced in his debating skills. He discusses topics like how one learns morality and the meaning of poetry, eventually ending in Protagoras saying that he can't go on any further and commending Socrates on hi ...more
Vitta
Feb 26, 2014 Vitta rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: classics
Заранее прошу прощения, если оскорблю чьи-то чувства, но это ужасный диалог. Итог прочтения - зря потраченное время. Данный диалог не дал мне ни морального, ни духовного(душевного) удовлетворения, ни какого-то нового знания. Диалектика ради диалектики и демагогия ради демагогии. Наверное, это последнее прочитанное мною произведение Платона сократовского периода.
Davide Orsato
Jan 06, 2017 Davide Orsato rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Era dal liceo che mi trascinavo questo dialogo platonico (edizione Mondadori, quelle con la copertina lucida blu e moltissime note, per un prezzo ridicolo).
Si può dire che, tutto sommato, Protagora ci fa una bella figura. Socrate lo «intorta» nemmeno fosse lui il sofista e, almeno in un paio di occasioni, barando (si veda l'analisi del carme di Simonide in cui sbaglia deliberatamente interpretazione di un vocabolo, dicendo che è una scelta dialettale). Resta un appassionante dibattito - ancora
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Elias Vasilis Kontaxakis
At this point he would no longer nod assent, but was silent.
And why, I said, do you neither assent nor dissent, Protagoras?
Finish the argument by yourself, he said.
I only want to ask one more question, I said. I want to know whether you still think that there are men who are most ignorant and yet most courageous?
You seem to have a great ambition to make me answer, Socrates, and therefore I will gratify you, and say, that this appears to me to be impossible consistently with the argument.


To a dis
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Abdulrahman
In this dialogue Socrates provides an interesting (but deficient, imo) interpretation of hedonism.

I loved the myth of the human society that Protagoras recites in the beginning of the dialogue. It suggests that the human ethical sense evolved to help us survive by establishing societies through cooperation and reciprocation—those who didn't have this ethical sense didn't make it, while those who did flourished thanks to the societies it enabled them to form.
Carla
It seems knowledge is what one requires to enter the sphere of the wise.
A wise man is a man of knowledge and to be a good man you must be wise.

But does a wise man want to be always good? Or if he doesn't, is that an error?

And what is his knowledge anyway, do all men know what is good or bad or is it more complex than that?
Knowledge only gives you an opportunity to grasp a sense of good and bad, but the prespective one takes depends entirely on oneself.
Manny
Jul 30, 2014 Manny rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Seekers after truth, robots
Celebrity Death Match Special: Plato versus Isaac Asimov

[A street in Athens. Late evening. SOCRATES and R. DANEEL OLIVAW]

OLIVAW: Greetings.

SOCRATES: Are you a demon? A messenger of the Gods? A--

OLIVAW: I am a robot from the future. There are some things I need to understand better. People say you may be able to help me.

SOCRATES: They were undoubtedly too kind. I know little, indeed nothing; but what miserable skill I have in debate is at your disposal--

OLIVAW: You're not fooling anyone. I wanted
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George
Nov 22, 2016 George rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Ένα από τα καλύτερα βιβλία που μπορεί να διαβάσει κάποιος. Για τους σκεπτόμενους αναγνώστες που θέλουν να περάσουν δημιουργικά το χρόνο τους.
Nick
Oct 21, 2016 Nick rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Socrates' friend Hippocrates asks Socrates to accompany him to visit Protagoras, the great sophist who has arrived in town, so that he can pay him to learn how to be a doctor. Sophists today would be like teachers of rhetoric who instead of teaching knowledge teach the appearance of knowledge, for a fee. The argument of the dialogue is whether knowledge can be taught which Protagoras defends, but by the end of the dialogue he and Socrates seem to switch positions.

Protagoras begins his argument
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Mohammed Abdelkafi
A very clever and entertaining argument for the mind.
David
Apr 18, 2013 David rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Protagoras is a dialogue between the young Socrates and the elderly Protagoras on the nature of virtue, and gives the reader a good overall idea of the techniques in discourse employed by Socrates.

The comedy inherent in Socratic dialogues is that nothing is really ever proven or espoused as doctrine, except perhaps that anything can be dis-proven and little (if anything) can truly be known. With a teaching of a religious or philosophical figure, the stage is typically set with the various chara
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Emily
Dec 20, 2016 Emily rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
In which Socrates gets pissed at Protagoras for talking too much.
SS
Nov 30, 2010 SS rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy, greeks
A masterpiece from the perspective of philosophy or even of fiction.

But of course there's gay stuff on page 1:

Com. Where do you come from, Socrates? And yet I need hardly ask the question, for I know that you have been in chase of the fair Alcibiades. I saw the day before yesterday; and he had got a beard like a man-and he is a man, as I may tell you in your ear. But I thought that he was still very charming.

Soc. What of his beard? Are you not of Homer's opinion, who says

Youth is most charming
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Guilherme Passos
Sep 01, 2016 Guilherme Passos rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Tive que ler para uma disciplina na faculdade e mais uma vez adorei os diálogos de Platão.

Os personagens principais são o sofista Protagoras e como de costume, Sócrates. A narrativa se dá porque um conhecido de Sócrates vai até a casa dele informar que o grande sofista Protagoras chegará na cidade e que então poderá ensinar. Sócrates tem seu ego um pouco machucado, creio eu, pois ele decide ir até Protagoras para entender o que ele tanto ensinava e se um sofista é capaz de ensinar.

Tudo é por for
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kaśyap
Jan 31, 2014 kaśyap rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
This was an interesting dialogue. There doesn’t seem to be any common theme to it. And Socrates finally has an opponent who can hold his own in an argument rather than just giving one word answers.

Hippocrates goes to Socrates and tells that Protagoras is in Athens. He wishes to learn from him and asks Socrates to accompany him, as he is not acquainted with Protagoras. On their way, Socrates questions Hippocrates as to what he wishes to learn from Protagoras and Hippocrates fails to give any sati
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Megan
Jan 03, 2015 Megan rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Another fabulous book which will make you question the logic behind the Socratic dialectic, as well as some of the biggest questions in Philosophy. The (almost omnipresent in philosophy) theme of relativism is at its centre, with Plato/Socrates arguing that Protagoras' doctrine that "man is the measure of all things" has some serious underlying flaws. Another aspect of this dialogue is the question as to whether concepts such as "good" etc. are divisible. This, to some extent, can link in with t ...more
Sidharth Vardhan
So, Socrates finds, for a change, someone who knows how to argue. At least twice was Socrates inconsistent - himself making long speeches while showing his hatred for them and then, starting discussion about poets only to conclude that it is something that wise people don't do.

The best part is towards the end, where some philosophy is actually established - that no one knowingly does evil; and all evil point towards lack of wisdom. Socrates points out that all virtues, specially courage, in tru
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Vatroslav Herceg
Knjiga koju pročitah izdana je u sklopu "Filozofske biblioteke" izdavačke kuće "Naprijed" 1975. u Zagrebu. U istom izdanju objavljeno je također Platonovo djelo "Sofist". Prevoditelj je Koloman Rac. Milivoj Sironić je apgrejdao prijevod usporednom analizom Racova prijevoda s grčkim izvornikom (ne navodi se potkrepljenje izvornosti tzv. izvornika). Branko Bošnjak je napisao predgovor koji je osrednji jer u biti samo prepričava sadržaj djela. Izdanje je tvrdih korica intelektualno okeraste boje. S ...more
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