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A Lover's Discourse: Fragments
"Barthes's most popular and unusual performance as a writer is A Lover's Discourse, a writing out of the discourse of love. This language—primarily the complaints and reflections of the lover when alone, not exchanges of a lover with his or her partner—is unfashionable. Thought it is spoken by millions of people, diffused in our popular romances and television programs as...more
Paperback, 234 pages
Published
June 1st 1979
by Hill and Wang
(first published 1977)
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Dec 23, 2007
Jacob
rated it
5 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
people who are having affairs or internet romances
Dear Roland,
Can I call you Roland? Or do you prefer something else? Whatever. I'm not gonna get into that. So, this book, this fucking book, is sexy. It's more than sexy. It's sexy in all caps. SEXY. It's raw and wounded and sublime. It's like theory suddenly got a heart, but not only a heart, a heart that is languishing under the power of love, a heart that might occasionally drink itself silly and smoke clove cigarettes and write rambling, fragmented, pained and intensely erotic emails to the...more
Can I call you Roland? Or do you prefer something else? Whatever. I'm not gonna get into that. So, this book, this fucking book, is sexy. It's more than sexy. It's sexy in all caps. SEXY. It's raw and wounded and sublime. It's like theory suddenly got a heart, but not only a heart, a heart that is languishing under the power of love, a heart that might occasionally drink itself silly and smoke clove cigarettes and write rambling, fragmented, pained and intensely erotic emails to the...more
Jul 03, 2008
Alan
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
lovesick
Recommended to Alan by:
a lovesick
Shelves:
lost-while-reading
Fuck! Left in random Manhattan apt, then shipped to Haiti in aunt's luggage.
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Double fuck! Lost it again on the subway with hundreds of notes.
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Ok finished, after 6 months.
This book is a destroying and destroyed queer love poem masquerading half-assedly as theory. It is a poem with a mustache of theory. And it's pretty great for this. He sets it up as aspiring to decode a liminal site of discourse: the lover's discourse "is completely forsaken by the surrounding languages: ignored, dispar...more
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Double fuck! Lost it again on the subway with hundreds of notes.
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Ok finished, after 6 months.
This book is a destroying and destroyed queer love poem masquerading half-assedly as theory. It is a poem with a mustache of theory. And it's pretty great for this. He sets it up as aspiring to decode a liminal site of discourse: the lover's discourse "is completely forsaken by the surrounding languages: ignored, dispar...more
a lengthy set of scenarios evidencing our inability to speak the full truth of our loves as a result of the drive's inevitable detours through the defiles of the signifier. i have no idea why so many people find it erotic or expressive of their most intimate amorous sentiments. if anything, the book strikes a poignant note insofar as it amasses example after example of how the imaginary (our desires) and the symbolic (our words and concepts) inevitably fail to match one another. it occurs to me...more
Colto senza essere pedante; enciclopedico, perfino ipertestuale, senza mai smettere di essere lieve.
E c'è forse qualcosa di più bello di un'analisi del 'discorso amoroso', ovvero di quello che una persona innamorata dice a se stessa, di come legge & interpreta la propria situazione?
Ho deciso; da grande voglio essere Roland Barthes.
E c'è forse qualcosa di più bello di un'analisi del 'discorso amoroso', ovvero di quello che una persona innamorata dice a se stessa, di come legge & interpreta la propria situazione?
Ho deciso; da grande voglio essere Roland Barthes.
Questo è un libro speciale.
La malinconia per il lutto d’amore, il momento paradisiaco dei segni sottili e clandestini, la pienezza dell’ abbraccio, l’illusione della Laetitia, il morso della gelosia, le macchinazioni, insomma tutto quello che ti rende oscenamente, meravigliosamente stupido quando sei innamorato ti torna da Goethe, da Sade, da Platone, da Mann, da Freud… e ti sembra che siano le tue parole, quelle che hai detto, quelle che hai taciuto, quelle che non ti sei sentito dire.
E improv...more
La malinconia per il lutto d’amore, il momento paradisiaco dei segni sottili e clandestini, la pienezza dell’ abbraccio, l’illusione della Laetitia, il morso della gelosia, le macchinazioni, insomma tutto quello che ti rende oscenamente, meravigliosamente stupido quando sei innamorato ti torna da Goethe, da Sade, da Platone, da Mann, da Freud… e ti sembra che siano le tue parole, quelle che hai detto, quelle che hai taciuto, quelle che non ti sei sentito dire.
E improv...more
كتاب غريب جدا فمن ناحية هو تأريخا للعشق من خلال أبطال حقيقيين أو خياليين,ومن ناحية أخري قد تعتبره هلوسات شخص مجنون
بعض الفقرات لن تفهمها ما لم تشعر بها من قبل أي إذا كنت عاشقا....
يحتاج للقراءة أكثر من مرة ,فبعض المصطلحات كانت صعبة وتحتاج للتوضيح وإن كانت أغلبها مشكلات في الترجمة التي كانت سيئة في رأي الشخصي
العنوان معبر جدا فهو عبارة عن شذرات يجمعها احساس مشترك بين أكثر من عاشق وقرارهم الكتابة عن هذا الإحساس
تقسيم الكتاب غريب فهناك فصل للغيرة ,للغياب ,لألم الحب ,للفراق ,لكلمة أحبك , للدموع ,وأشياء...more
بعض الفقرات لن تفهمها ما لم تشعر بها من قبل أي إذا كنت عاشقا....
يحتاج للقراءة أكثر من مرة ,فبعض المصطلحات كانت صعبة وتحتاج للتوضيح وإن كانت أغلبها مشكلات في الترجمة التي كانت سيئة في رأي الشخصي
العنوان معبر جدا فهو عبارة عن شذرات يجمعها احساس مشترك بين أكثر من عاشق وقرارهم الكتابة عن هذا الإحساس
تقسيم الكتاب غريب فهناك فصل للغيرة ,للغياب ,لألم الحب ,للفراق ,لكلمة أحبك , للدموع ,وأشياء...more
روان پريش با ترس از سقوط سر مي كند.اما ترس بيمارگونه از سقوط ترس از آشوبي است كه پيش از اين تجربه شده(رنج ازلي)....و لحظاتي هست كه يك بيمار نياز دارد به او بگويند سقوط،كه ترس از آن زندگي اش را به فلاكت كشانده، پيش از اين رخ داده.به نظر مي رسد كه،اضطراب عاشق هم اين گونه است:اين ترس از ماتمي است كه پيش از اين عارض شده،از هم آغاز عشق،از همان اولين لحظه كه مفتون شدم.يك نفر بايد باشد كه به من بگويد:ديگر مضطرب نباش،تو پيش از اين او را از دست داده اي
This book is a classic in France, and it's probably Barthe's most popular work. It is absolutely brilliant, and may be well be the best analysis ever made of love, as seen from the beginning to the end of a relationship. It isn't a novel, it's not an essay either, nor a self-help book or a psychology study: it's just, as the title implies, fragments - fragments about the daily life of two people in love, people at various stage of love, and those fragments capture so perfectly, so intimately, so...more
Sull’amore la penso come Proust e come gl’intellettuali un pò snob di cui parla Barthes (una volta tanto!), che lo considerano una malattia, una specie di raffreddore: “deve fare il suo corso”. Si può stare anche molto male, ma è molto improbabile che si muoia (salve predisposizioni a complicazioni, rare). Poi, passa.
Questo libro per me è un cardine della studio della patologia, che peraltro non definisce come tale (però lo chiama incidente). Dopo averlo letto ogni ammalato si sentirà più tranq...more
Questo libro per me è un cardine della studio della patologia, che peraltro non definisce come tale (però lo chiama incidente). Dopo averlo letto ogni ammalato si sentirà più tranq...more
Must read again.
"I -- I who love, by converse vocation, am sedentary, motionless, at hand, in expectation, nailed to the spot, in suspense -- like a package in some forgotten corner of a railway station."
"Woman is faithful (she waits), man is fickle (he sails away, he cruises)."
"In amorous absence, I am, sadly an unglued image that dries, yellows, shrivels."
"Absence becomes an active practice, a business (which keeps me from doing anything else); there is a creation of a fiction which has...more
"I -- I who love, by converse vocation, am sedentary, motionless, at hand, in expectation, nailed to the spot, in suspense -- like a package in some forgotten corner of a railway station."
"Woman is faithful (she waits), man is fickle (he sails away, he cruises)."
"In amorous absence, I am, sadly an unglued image that dries, yellows, shrivels."
"Absence becomes an active practice, a business (which keeps me from doing anything else); there is a creation of a fiction which has...more
Mar 04, 2013
Monique
rated it
5 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Angus, Bennard
Originally posted here.

Admittedly, this is the kind of book that I will quickly chuck for its verbosity. I’ve always thought books like this – those that use hemorrhagic and florid words – were written more for the purpose of exhibiting the author’s unparalleled vocabulary more than anything. But for some reason, I hung on to this one. I stayed with it, and it stayed with me. Willingly.
Language is a skin: I rub my language against the other. It is as if I had words instead of fingers, or finge...more
Roland Barthes is Miller Heavy, everything you don’t want in a French intellectual author only more, but I find I can’t stop reading A Lover’s Discourse. Is it my own nature to be smitten by impossible women that keeps me glued to the page after page of unsettling discourse on love as neurosis, as fixation, as something akin to demonic possession, his furor werthrinus? (Hint: Goethe). I certainly see myself in his pages, my Gemini nature to project exactly his desires onto people (women) I find...more
my copy of this book has fallen apart from its binding before i even had the chance to reference it over and over. i read this with dry-yellow-glue dusting all over my lap. i wanted this to be a wordless review, or a capital letters review, something to simply state that this has OPENED MY EYES, that this is a dazzle of SIX STARS, that everyone should own this book in hardcover. has a book ever resonated with me so much? or "bothered" me so much? i am thankful that barthes has written us a lover...more
last year, i think, i read important artifacts and personal property from the collection of lenore doolan and harold morris, including books, street fashion and jewelry, by leanne shapton and it stayed with me. using the format of an auction catalogue, the book chronicles a relationship. it turns it into an artifact, something to be studied. it takes items and makes them people, gives them a setting to exist within. it dares to put a price on something forcing you to ask questions about emotiona...more
I am one of the most unromantic and pathetically practical people I know, and yet even I enjoyed this book. I am a fan of ridiculous and overwrought romance, as long as it's in fiction. The beauty of Barthes is that nearly all of the examples he uses are from fiction, and conveniently I'd read several of the books he mentions (others, I'd never even heard of). Because of this, each fragment becomes universally applicable, and the reader truly does end up considering it in regards to their own li...more
This is a powerful book.
Of all the philosophical graffiti written on the backs of bathroom doors when I was in college, my favorite was a simple survey: Are you in love or in love with the idea of love? Most people chose the latter.
Barthes tackles the depth and breadth of the idea of love, in all its agony and ecstasy. There are meditations on waiting, on jealousy, on how love at first sight is like rape. Barthes tackles the ideas of Werther, Nietzsche, Freud, and sprinkles the etymology of vari...more
Of all the philosophical graffiti written on the backs of bathroom doors when I was in college, my favorite was a simple survey: Are you in love or in love with the idea of love? Most people chose the latter.
Barthes tackles the depth and breadth of the idea of love, in all its agony and ecstasy. There are meditations on waiting, on jealousy, on how love at first sight is like rape. Barthes tackles the ideas of Werther, Nietzsche, Freud, and sprinkles the etymology of vari...more
I'm not sure this is my favorite book but it is for sure the one I read, buy (in french, in english, in german), give the most often because I lose it physically or because someone is losing mind. There is still those little seconds of doubts when you recommend it to someone else because the reading experience of this book is so personal. The form is both neutral and total. You enter in the book's multiplicity as you enter in the maze of your own desire. It's the perfect thing to give for both d...more
I first read, and fell in love, with Roland Barthes at uni. Christ, I was still a virgin when I swooned over ALD for the first time. Now at the tail-end of a long relationship, the terrible beauty of Barthes' writing is quite effulgent.
I was reminded again of how great a novel (well, anti-novel...) ALD is when Jeffrey Eugenides paid such tender, bittersweet homage to it in 'The Marriage Plot'.
There is a scene where Madeleine is lying in bed reading The Book, eating peanut butter from the jar wit...more
I was reminded again of how great a novel (well, anti-novel...) ALD is when Jeffrey Eugenides paid such tender, bittersweet homage to it in 'The Marriage Plot'.
There is a scene where Madeleine is lying in bed reading The Book, eating peanut butter from the jar wit...more
Lembro do primeiro contato que tive com o livro até hoje: foi numa aula da Aliança Francesa, e o capítulo escolhido era "a espera" (l'attente). E, adolescente que era à época (e insegura como só os adolescentes - e os muito apaixonados-conseguem ser) me vi no texto, era como se alguém tivesse entrado na minha cabeça e visto o que tava ali dentro.
20 anos depois, mesmo com a internet e o celular, o cerne desse texto continua real.
Adoro e me identifico em cada um dos capítulos, dando aquela risadin...more
20 anos depois, mesmo com a internet e o celular, o cerne desse texto continua real.
Adoro e me identifico em cada um dos capítulos, dando aquela risadin...more
This one is really messing with my head at the moment. Love, and theory... a strange conversation, but it also is surprisingly upbeat compared to Kristeva and the feminists.
From the introduction:
"The necessity for this book is to be found in the following consideration: that the lover's discourse is today of an extreme solitude. This discourse is spoken, perhaps, by thousands of subjects (who knows?), but warranted by no one; it is completely forsaken by the surrounding languages: ignored, di...more
From the introduction:
"The necessity for this book is to be found in the following consideration: that the lover's discourse is today of an extreme solitude. This discourse is spoken, perhaps, by thousands of subjects (who knows?), but warranted by no one; it is completely forsaken by the surrounding languages: ignored, di...more
This is a minor miracle of a text. Barthes subjects, succinctly and with great depth, the gestures and thoughts of the amorous subject and emerges not with a dry psychological profile but a living subject and the trials that the subject forces themselves through, is forced through.
It is a masterpiece of phenomenological thought; though perhaps not intended as such, the text derives its power from gestures and thoughts so banal and so everyday as to be near-universal. It is a work of criticism in...more
It is a masterpiece of phenomenological thought; though perhaps not intended as such, the text derives its power from gestures and thoughts so banal and so everyday as to be near-universal. It is a work of criticism in...more
“This ‘affective contagion,’ this induction, proceeds from others, from the language, from books, from friends: no love is original...‘Some people would never have been in love, had they never heard love talked about’ (La Rouchefoucauld).”
I can’t believe I’ve never read this before, this that perpetuates in part my life’s theory (so far) on people in love!!! Barthes deconstructs ‘being in love’ through fragment chapters, each part of the courtship from its various sequences to the significance o...more
I can’t believe I’ve never read this before, this that perpetuates in part my life’s theory (so far) on people in love!!! Barthes deconstructs ‘being in love’ through fragment chapters, each part of the courtship from its various sequences to the significance o...more
Full on literary destruction of my soul. So good but... I feel like I was told all about myself, read the riot act and THEN rode hard and put away wet. Maybe in a good way though? Maybe in the best way?
This should be a five but I couldn't help but dock a full star for the number of mother/maternal/oedipus/childhood references. Can't deal with that. Otherwise? Outstanding, if hard to read. Barthes is so spot on and devastating in his observations of the behavior of people in various stages of lov...more
This should be a five but I couldn't help but dock a full star for the number of mother/maternal/oedipus/childhood references. Can't deal with that. Otherwise? Outstanding, if hard to read. Barthes is so spot on and devastating in his observations of the behavior of people in various stages of lov...more
May 17, 2013
Joe Toledo
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Lo único que puedo decir sobre este libro, imposible de reseñar de un modo objetivo por mí, es que quien este enamorado o lo haya estado alguna vez habrá de sonreir en más de una ocasión.
Una sonrisa que estará matizada de ternura algunas veces, de tristeza en otras, de furor otras tantas, de dolor en muchas más.
A algunos nos nacerá regalarlo y dedicarlo, cada uno sabrá a quien de acuerdo a la evocación de sus imágenes exclusivas e intransferibles, en lo universal certeramente descritas en esta...more
Una sonrisa que estará matizada de ternura algunas veces, de tristeza en otras, de furor otras tantas, de dolor en muchas más.
A algunos nos nacerá regalarlo y dedicarlo, cada uno sabrá a quien de acuerdo a la evocación de sus imágenes exclusivas e intransferibles, en lo universal certeramente descritas en esta...more
I strongly urge whomever is interested in reading this book to consult with the section "how the book is constructed". If you feel lost after reading it but you're still interested, you're still undecided whether this is familiar or total gibberish, please continue reading. The book is a must read for everyone, yet may only be interesting for the latter category. Roland Barthes invokes heavy notions both in vocab and in emotion to convey the meanings he wants. I think the book is brilliant and j...more
Nov 27, 2012
arcobaleno
rated it
4 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
cataloghi-guide-saggi,
letteraturastraniera
Uno specchio per riflettere
Un testo da prendere a piccole dosi. Un testo impegnativo eppure attraente.
Dopo l’iniziale perplessità per un linguaggio forbito e assai specialistico, non sempre a me comprensibile e, quindi, a volte frenante, mi sono lasciata prendere dall’argomento, anzi, ‘dagli’ argomenti: in ordine strettamente alfabetico (a confermare l’apprezzabile oggettività dell’intero trattato), tutti i risvolti di un unico abito: l’amore.
Dagli “Abbracci” alle “Vie d’uscita”, attraverso un...more
Un testo da prendere a piccole dosi. Un testo impegnativo eppure attraente.
Dopo l’iniziale perplessità per un linguaggio forbito e assai specialistico, non sempre a me comprensibile e, quindi, a volte frenante, mi sono lasciata prendere dall’argomento, anzi, ‘dagli’ argomenti: in ordine strettamente alfabetico (a confermare l’apprezzabile oggettività dell’intero trattato), tutti i risvolti di un unico abito: l’amore.
Dagli “Abbracci” alle “Vie d’uscita”, attraverso un...more
cacher / to hide...more
A deliberative figure: the amorous subject wonders, not whether he should declare his love to the loved being (this is not a figure of avowal), but to what degree he should conceal the turbulences of his passion: his desires, his distresses; in short, his excesses (in Racinian language: his fureur).
Yet to hide a passion totally (or even to hide, more simply, its excess) is inconceivable: not because the human subject is too weak, but because passion is in essence made to be seen:
My friend and I always say that whatever situation you’re in within a relationship, one of Shakespeare’s sonnets probably covers it. This book isn’t so different: it really is a love letter to the structures which colours such intimacy solid.
Barthes renders a selection of eighty or so ‘figures’ of the everyday lover’s discourse into catalogued artefacts analysed which he then preserves in this small encyclopaedia of sorts. Barthes covers a range of feelings experienced in the course of an affai...more
Barthes renders a selection of eighty or so ‘figures’ of the everyday lover’s discourse into catalogued artefacts analysed which he then preserves in this small encyclopaedia of sorts. Barthes covers a range of feelings experienced in the course of an affai...more
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Roland Barthes was a French literary critic, literary and social theorist, philosopher, and semiotician. Barthes' work extended over many fields and he influenced the development of schools of theory including structuralism, semiotics, existentialism, Marxism and post-structuralism.
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“Am I in love? --yes, since I am waiting. The other one never waits. Sometimes I want to play the part of the one who doesn't wait; I try to busy myself elsewhere, to arrive late; but I always lose at this game. Whatever I do, I find myself there, with nothing to do, punctual, even ahead of time. The lover's fatal identity is precisely this: I am the one who waits.”
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“Language is a skin: I rub my language against the other. It is as if I had words instead of fingers, or fingers at the tip of my words. My language trembles with desire. The emotion derives from a double contact: on the one hand, a whole activity of discourse discreetly, indirectly focuses upon a single signified, which is "I desire you," and releases, nourishes, ramifies it to the point of explosion (language experiences orgasm upon touching itself); on the other hand, I enwrap the other in my words, I caress, brush against, talk up this contact, I extend myself to make the commentary to which I submit the relation endure. ”
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