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The Meno Of Plato

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About G.M.A Grube's translations of Plato: "Unmistakably superior: more lucid, more accurate, more readable. Above all, they’re lucidly adorned, unpretentious, and in translating Plato that counts a good deal. The prose is, as English prose, persuasive, cogent, and as eloquent as it can be without departing from the text. --William Arrowsmith
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Aug 01, 2014 Manny rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Seekers after truth, robots
Celebrity Death Match Special: Plato versus Isaac Asimov, part 2 (continued from here)

[A spaceport on Trantor. SOCRATES and R. DANEEL OLIVAW]

OLIVAW: How are your researches progressing, Socrates?

SOCRATES: Alas, poorly, good Olivaw.

OLIVAW: I am sorry to hear it. We hope that you may yet discover the secret we so earnestly pursue; if there is anything you require, you have but to name it.

SOCRATES: Olivaw, you have been kindness itself. I was particularly delighted by the quantum computer that your

There are literally four characters in this play – but really there is a fifth and that fifth is Gorgias, the sophist. The question here is whether or not virtue can be taught. Well, eventually that is the question. Really we start off wondering what is virtue and Socrates admits he has no idea and has never met anyone who has had any idea either. Is virtue a kind of knowledge? It is obviously a good – being virtuous brings good things to you (an idea that
Le Ménon est un des dialogues de Platon, dans lequel il met en scène Socrate, son cher maître, aux prises avec Ménon, un riche Thrace peu amène et difficile à manier. Platon fait même intervenir Anytos, l'un de ses accusateurs en -399. Le sujet de la discussion va rouler sur la vertu, ce qu'elle est, si elle peut s'enseigner. Comme à son habitude, dans Platon, Socrate aime faire tourner en bourrique ses interlocuteurs afin de leur faire prendre un air moins superbe face aux bonnes dispositions q ...more
Asimov and Plato, an Alternate History

Persons of the Dialogue: HARI SELDON and SOCRATES

HARI SELDON: Hey Socrates, I have a question for you. It's really important

SOCRATES: Well, I’m sorry to disappoint you, Hari, but I am among the least knowledgeable of men; and you are perhaps the most brilliant man alive. But, if you think I can be of assistance, I will gladly lend you whatever help I can.

HAR: Well, I’m trying to set in motion a plan that will mitigate the impending fall of the Galactic E
Dianna Caley
I love Plato. He's far and away my favorite author. Whether he's relating an argument in which Socrates is proving that we remember rather than acquire knowledge. (logically unassailable until you examine the premises :)). Or the most thought provoking argument in this piece. Can people teach solely by example? If so, then why aren't the children of notable people always notable themselves. Or why do notable people arise from non notable parents? I love this type of questioning and testing of ou ...more
I had completely forgotten I'd read this 2 summers ago until I finished it again. It's a classic, despite, as usual, Plato being completely wrong. One of Plato's favorite ideas, something that gets mentioned in the Apology, I believe, is that no one chooses to do evil, they just do what they think is good. Therefore, ignorance is the root of all evil.
This, of course, is wrong and we can see it in daily life. People usually know better but do bad stuff anyway. Nevertheless, Plato's work is classi
Meno, an early Platonic dialogue, centers on virtue and illustrates the classic Socratic Method. Meno begins the dialogue by asking, "Can you tell me, Socrates, can virtue be taught?"

Socrates claims that to answer such a question, a person would have to know what virtue is. An incredulous Meno asks, "Socrates, do you really not know what virtue is?"

Socrates responds, "Not only that, my friend, but as I believe, I have never yet met anyone else who did know."

And so Socrates and Meno engage in a q
Book Group: 7/29/13

This dialogue is an exploration of Meno's question whether virtue is acquired by teaching, practice, nature, or something else. As well as Socrates' question, What is virtue?

Favorite passage: "Some things I have said of which I am not altogether confident. But that we shall be better and braver and less helpless if we think that we ought to inquire than we should have been if we indulged in the idle fancy that there was no knowing and no use in seeking to know what we do not k
Socrates. Philosophy.

Usually when I think of Socrates, I think of Bill and Ted... "all we are is dust in the wind, dude..."

So, I don't have much of a background in philosophy. Now that I think about it, it's because religion has always been the basis of my worldview, so the basic building blocks of... umm... philosophizing... my worldview... have been based on religion; I've never really stopped and asked myself basic questions like "what makes stuff good vs evil" etc. I guess it's good to, alt
Bradley Eylander
Nice and short.
Socrates seems to be a very smart person and I have a feeling if I were to meet him he could easily word play me to agree with whatever he says if I'm not watching his words closely. Socrates definitely goes in depth on the a priori giving a reason for his epistemological view.
The book also talks about virtue and the words said about it is quite good.
*** SPOILER ***
I definitely liked how Socrates concluded that virtue was "an instinct given by God to the virtuous." As a Christia
un fantastico dialogo nel quale emerge tutta la prepotenza della coppia Socrate/Platone. come nota nell'introduzione Bonazzi, i molti dialoghi del testo aiutano "a capire" qualcuno: il dialogo con lo schiavo e con Anito aiutano Menone, mentre l'insieme del dialogo con Menone aiuta a capire il lettore. ma questo "aiuto" quanto è legittimo e quanto è imposto? Jacques Lacan notava che il rapporto tra Socrate e lo schiavo è analogo a quello tra lo psicoanalista e il paziente, ma ancora di più possia ...more
Frank Della Torre
Can I just say... I've been on a massive ancient-Greek-philosophy kick lately. First the Pre-Socratics; then Phaedo; then the Apology; now Meno; next is the Republic. This has been a very enjoyable experience thus far.

I liked Meno. Socrates sounded much less sure of himself in this dialogue. The whole discussion centers on the question: "What is Virtue?" By the end, after having analyzed group after group of supposed Virtue-teachers known throughout Athens, Socrates and Meno conclude that nobody
Sidharth Vardhan
The dialogue goes into very meaning of virtue, and reaches conclusions opposite to that Socrates reached in Protagoras.

Meno Paradox

The dialogue begins with Socrates refuting definations of virtue provided by Meno.

When both Meno and Socrates declare ignorance on subject, Socrates say they must search it through argument. Meno then proffers a paradox: "And how will you inquire into a thing when you are wholly ignorant of what it is? Even if you happen to bump right into it, how will you know it
Super good!
The first dialogue read at Plato's Academy, it is the starting point for all that follows. What I learned:

l. virtue(excellence?) cannot be taught
2. learning requires courage and hard work
3. learning must be active, it cannot be passively received.
4. Right opinion can be as useful as knowledge but it's better to anchor opinion with knowledge, a true hypothesis is not as solid as proven fact.

Mohammed Al-Garawi
This is one of Plato's earliest dialogues. It discusses virtue and the question that whether it can be taught or not. It also discusses the theory of anamnesis (the idea that the soul is eternal, knows everything, and only has to "recollect" in order to learn). It is really interesting and I really enjoyed it.

Plato can take you to places in the mind you never thought they existed.
I am not a philosophy fan. I feel after finishing this book that i still have the same questions, what is virtue? Can virtue be taught? Are there teachers of virtue? Why do philosophers talk in circles? Why is geometry used to prove virtue? Ew, i hope the discussons at work dont suck as much as this book....
It wasn't that bad. I just thought it lacked focus. Which is. Not something you're allowed to say about Plato, but. Socrates really doesn't seem to be leading the discussion. They move from point to point, ostensibly seeking the definition of virtue without realizing that virtue is something which has to be defined. A lot of Socrates's arguments rested of what were in my opinion flawed premises, which severely devalued the book. Also, I continue to believe that a priori knowledge is a cop out, a ...more
Asi jsem doufala, že se mi to v životé vyhne. Asi jsem si ale vybrala špatnou školu. :D
Socrates addresses the question of whether virtue can be taught. The fall guy here is Meno, who finds that he cannot define virtue to Socrates' liking. Socrates argues that virtuous men failed to train their sons in virtue.

Immortality of the soul is introduced, to justify that all learning is remembering from a past life. This is demonstrated through the intuition of a boy, who Socrates leads through a maths problems with only 'questions'. Seems to suggest Socrates, and others, confuse intuition
Meno is an intellectually lazy Thessalian who has a simple question for the infamous Athenian stingray: "Can you tell me, Socrates, is virtue teachable?" The dialogue examines the three parts of that question, more or less in reverse order: first, what is teachable -- how do we learn, if we do in fact learn? Next, if virtue can be learned, what is it? Finally, can Socrates can tell Meno what he wants to know? Because Meno does not really want to put in the effort to learn anything -- he wants to ...more
Kyla Edwards
This books was a combination of easy and difficult. I think it's definitely a good book for philosophy lovers. It was a dialogue so I loved that about it. I always loved books with dialogue, because I feel as though I follow it better. There is a main question being asked in the book, and that pretty much makes up the entire book. It really made me wonder about the question myself. It was about 76 pages long, so I read it in two days, only because i started late. It can easily be read in one day ...more
Palindrome Mordnilap
One of Plato's earlier dialogues, and one which ends in a state of aporia rather than any kind of definitive answer. Socrates tackles the problem of what virtue is, and in so doing reveals the idea that human beings contain knowledge that they themselves do not know. This seemingly paradoxical concept is demonstrated by a geometric piece of deduction that Socrates elicits from a slave boy. Socrates posits that our souls exist in the realm of the Forms prior to entering into our earthly bodies, a ...more
David Williamson
Although this dialogue is built up to be more in depth than 'Protagoras' (the other book on Virtue), it did not use any of Protagoras' better arguments against Socrates' ideas on virtue and in my opinion is a poorer book for it. The arguments Gorgias used reoccur but Gorgias is not a strong Sophist, nor does he have the clear counter arguments Protagoras' uses against Socrates.

This book contains strands of arguments I have read in other Plato books and are actually more interesting in those othe
David Sarkies
Feb 14, 2014 David Sarkies rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Philosophers
Recommended to David by: David Hester
Shelves: philosophy
Can virtue be taught?
30 January 2013

The book that I read this dialogue in also contained the Protagoras, which is a good pairing because both of them deal with the question of whether virtue can be taught (the Penguin edition uses the word good, but the better translation would be virtue: I do find that the Penguin editions do tend to dumb down these dialogues, a lot, which sort of defeats the purpose; which is not surprising that my Classics' lecturers tried to stay away from them as much as p
Jun 18, 2009 Keshav rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Anyone interested in philosophy
This is the first dialogue of Plato I ever read, which is very fitting because it contains many of the best elements from the dialogues. I won't deny the fact that it is a challenging read, but it is well worth the time and effort. For those unfamiliar with Plato, all his works takes the form of dialogues between Plato's teacher Socrates and a Sophist. In ancient Greece, sophists were well-known philosophers and orators to whom much of the populace would often turn for guidance. Socrates in cont ...more
The Meno is one of the most fascinating of the dialogues because it unfolds three of the most important elements in the Platonic philosophy: the method of hypothesis, the theory of recollection, and the notion, later to be rejected in the Republic, that opinion and knowledge have the same object. The method of hypothesis is when we claim something to be the case and proceed to analyze that proposition in a logical and systematic manner. So here, discussing virtue, Socrates claims that virtue is ...more
David S. T.
This was somewhat interesting, Socrates meets with Meno to discuss what virtue is and how can it be acquired. Meno seems to have some ideas but he comes in contact with a broad torpedo fish (Socrates) and this leaves him numb and in a state of perplexity, in the end we're not really sure what virtue is but we know a few things its not.

The thing this seems to be best remembered for a part where Socrates questions a slave to prove that souls already learned everything before inhabiting a human. T
No ranking because it's old, and stodgy old books like this are best read as primary sources and not to explain the world. Anyway, in this dialogue Plato has his mentor and stand-in Socrates debating a sophist named Meno about what virtue is, which eventually gets derailed into a discussion of how we can know what anything is. It's interesting to see that relativism pops up so early in philosophical thought. Plato rejects the idea that we can't know anything, but the idea he comes up with, that ...more
Sep 14, 2007 Ryan rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: people who aren't dumb
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Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.

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