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Trajectory presents classics of world literature with 21st century features! Our original-text editions include the following visual enhancements to foster a deeper understanding of the work: Word Clouds at the start of each chapter highlight important words. Word, sentence, paragraph counts, and reading time help readers and teachers determine chapter complexity. Co-occur

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Paperback, 144 pages
Published March 15th 1995 by Hackett Publishing Company, Inc. (first published -370)
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Riku Sayuj

“Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet.”

~ Plato


THE SCHOOL OF LOVE

Phaedrus is commonly paired on the one hand with Gorgias and on the other with Symposium - with all three combining and leading towards Republic. It is compared with Gorgias in sharing its principal theme, the nature and limitations of rhetoric, and with Symposium in being devoted to the nature and v
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Manny
[HARRY's apartment from When Harry Met Sally. HARRY is asleep on his couch. On the table next to him are a mostly-empty bottle of bourbon and a copy of Phaedrus. Enter SOCRATES.]

SOCRATES: Good evening, Harry.

HARRY: How--

SOCRATES: Don't worry, I'm not real. This is a dream.

HARRY: Uh--

SOCRATES: I see you're reading Phaedrus. Looking for advice, maybe?

HARRY: I-- I just can't understand how I could have done it. Why did I fuck her? I've ruined everything.

SOCRATES: You're sure about that?

HARRY: We ha
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Yann


Ce texte a été écrit par Platon il y a vingt-cinq siècles. C'est un dialogue, sans doute imaginaire, entre Socrate, qui fut l'un de ses maîtres dans sa jeunesse, et qu'il fait largement intervenir dans ses œuvres, et Phèdre, un jeune homme de la noblesse Athénienne qui le fréquente. Le prétexte de cette causerie, c'est une promenade en dehors de la ville, où Phèdre entraine Socrate après l'avoir appâté par son enthousiasme à l'idée de lui faire entendre un discours qui l'a enchanté. Ce discours,
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Ian Vinogradus
A Twist in Your Toga

As they say in the classics, I’m glad I reviewed "The Symposium" before "Phaedrus".

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Although the two relate to similar subject matter, it’s uncertain in what order they were written.

However, "Phaedrus" isn’t the toga party that "The Symposium" was, primarily because there are less participants. And everybody knows, the bigger the toga party, the better. (Well, it has a potential for more surprises, though apart from the surprise elemen
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Steve
Oct 08, 2013 Steve rated it liked it
Shelves: greek, philosophy
Phaedrus is another Socratic dialogue, but one which actually is a dialogue. Socrates runs into his friend Phaedrus, who tells him of a conversation he just had with Lysias, a mutual acquaintance. As in the Symposium

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the topic is love, but here, instead of looking at many different aspects of love, the topic is, initially, who is the better object of a man's love? One should keep in mind that one of the positions defended in the Symposium is: the mo
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Jonfaith
May 31, 2016 Jonfaith rated it liked it
Shelves: theory
I have heard a tradition of the ancients, whether true or not they only know; although if we found the truth ourselves, do you think that we should care much about the opinions of men?

Delightful rumination on the contrast of rhetoric and philosophy, on the written against the spoken and the madness which is love. I read this as grist for a Derrida project which failed to appear on command. Other tools require being readied.
Τζο
Feb 07, 2016 Τζο rated it liked it
Very interesting and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Peter
Spoiler alert: This book is not about a "philosophy of love" as many reviewers seem to believe. As every dream has its manifest content (a storyline) that masks a latent content (the suppressed, unconscious emotions that bubble into our semi-conscious REM sleep), Socrates' discourse on the nature of love thinly masks the true subject of this dialogue: bullshit, how to produce it, and how to recognize it. For the reader, his dialectical approach gives us a hint about how to resist it.

With self-de
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Jacob Aitken
Initial Problem: Can a lover be a stable friend?

P1: The Lover is more dis-ordered than the non-lover.
P2: Love is a desire [Plato 237]
P2a: Erromenos Eros is the Supreme Desire.
P3: (Socrates speaking): The non-lover has all the advantages in which the lover is deficient.

P(1-3) establish that the lover is always unstable. He is concerned with pleasing the beloved. It seems if he is controlled by desire (Eros), then he isn’t rational. In fact, he is mad.

But Socrates raises an interesting question: D
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Scott
Dec 07, 2011 Scott rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
The Phaedrus was not one of the dialogues we read in my Plato seminar in grad school, so I thought I'd finally tackle it. I didn't like it much. I'm guessing that that might be the influence of my particular professor, but I'm not sure.

Some of the other goodreads reviews are very well-written and do a nice job of analyzing the dialogue. Many highly recommend it.

The dialogue is a conversation between Socrates and Phaedrus out for a walk on a hot summer afternoon. They take shelter in a cool spot
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David Alexander
Mar 02, 2013 David Alexander rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Phaedrus is a beautiful dialogue of Plato. I confess, I listened to the whole thing while laying down mulch for hours with my earbuds. Librivox.org, man. Plato first sets the stage by narrating a scene of playful leisure to set the stage for layered, increasingly deeper contemplation. The dialogue offers valuable, time-tested insight and guidance in the life of the mind and itself embodies the insight.

Perhaps we get the word philosophy from this dialogue. At least in it Socrates defines the typ
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Dalia
May 24, 2015 Dalia rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy-club, 2015
لا أعرف حقيقة لم استخدمت الاسم البديل "عن الجمال" ، إذا كانت قد ترجمت المحاورة عن الحب؟!
والمحاورة عدة أجزاء تبدأ بمقال لوسياس عن الحب،وهي بالأصل في تفضيل غير المحب على المحب، ويطرح قرائنه لى ذلك، لأول وهلة يبدو الكلام مقنعًا إلا أنني لم أعجب به، وبعد أن أنهيت المقال ورأي سقراط فيه تركت الكتاب يومًا ثم عدت فأعدت قراءة ذات المقال مرة أخرى، لكن هذه المرة عرفت لم لم يعجبني،ولم يقنعني رد سقراط الأول إلى أن راجع نفسه قائلًا:
لتنظر يا صديقي فايدروس كم من وقاحة في الحديثين السابقين سواءهذا الذي قلته أنا
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Chiara Pagliochini
“Come una corrente di vento o un’eco che rimbalzando su una superficie levigata e solida si ripercuote al punto d’origine, così la corrente di bellezza penetra di nuovo nel bell’amato attraverso gli occhi. Così per il suo naturale canale raggiunge l’anima, e come vi arriva disponendola al volo irrora i meati delle penne, stimola la crescita delle ali e a poco a poco riempie d’amore l’anima dell’amato.”

La domanda legittima è: perché, quando uno sta già leggendo altri sette libri, una bella mattin
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Zakaria Bziker
Some thoughts herein are eternal. Ahead of its time maybe. I was more interested in how the dialogue flows, however not to say the least of the content. It is highly civilised how Socrates and Phaedrus conversed. All the world problems would be solved in an instance had everybody conversed like these two giants.
بسام عبد العزيز
Mar 10, 2015 بسام عبد العزيز rated it did not like it
هل سمعت من قبل عن الحب "الأفلاطوني"؟
هل تردد في مسامعك ان الحب الأفلاطوني هو "الحب البرئ الطاهر من الشهوات الجسدية الحقيرة"؟
هل حلمت في وقت ما بتلك العلاقة "الأفلاطونية" التي تسمو بك إلى أعلى درجات الصفاء الروحاني؟

لو كانت الإجابة نعم فأنت لديك شئ مشترك معي..
أن كلانا ضرب على قفاه!

ببساطة "الحب الأفلاطوني الأسطوري" هو غرام الرجال بالغلمان!!!!!!!! (أكمل علامات التعجب إلى ما تشاء!)
لا.. ليس غرام الرجل للمرأة..
ليس غرام الرجل للرجل..
و لكنه غرام الرجل بالغلمان!!!!!!!

أفلاطون في هذه المحادثة ينقل لنا حوارا
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Chris
Feb 15, 2009 Chris rated it it was amazing
Shelves: theory
Plato is RIDICULOUS. In all the best ways. I'm sort of inclined to agree with a friend who said that if you're trying to sort out the Socrates from the Plato, a pretty good indicator for the Socrates is the concentration of dirty jokes. The Phaedrus is rife with them. It actually opens with Lysias arguing for hookup culture. That makes the subtle little ways that Socrates pulls out the rug from under you all the more delicious.e
Yazeed AlMogren
كتاب لايضيف شيئًا، الغريب أن حب الغلمان كان منتشر بشدة في عصر الفلاسفة الإغريق
Marts  (Thinker)
Jul 15, 2012 Marts (Thinker) rated it really liked it
Written by Plato, this Socratic dialogue with Phaedrus, focuses on the topics of rhetoric (as in its correct use and practice) and that of erotic love.

Sawsan Alotaibi
محاورة فايدروس لأفلاطون أو عن الجمال

ابتدأ الكتاب بخطاب لوسياس عن العشق وأن غير العاشق أنفع من العاشق، لأن العاشق سيكون تحت سحر معشوقه ولن يعود عليه نفع من جراء ذلك العشق.
ثم رفض سقراط بطريقة ماكرة هذا الأمر بعد جدل طويل، وذم الحب، ثم جاءته نوبة تنبيه من ( الآلهة ! ) بأنه أخطأ في حق إله الحب، فعاد لاستخراج معنى الحب السامي من خلال جدل طويل أيضاً، ثم بيّن بعد ذلك نقداً للخطابة والفن عموماً حينما يجعل الحق باطلاً ويوهم بالحقائق، وأثناء الجدال ذكر أهمية معرفة النفس وأنها أول ما ينبغي معرفة حقيقته لكل
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M.G. Bianco
Dec 19, 2013 M.G. Bianco rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
In Plato's Phaedrus, Socrates and Phaedrus discuss love and rhetoric. While it is true that a big chunk of the dialog is about love, the love speeches are really a setup for the final conversation on rhetoric. The love speeches become types of rhetoric that Socrates and Phaedrus then discuss to come to some conclusions about rhetoric.

A big takeaway: Rhetoric, to be truly effective and true and beautiful, requires the rhetorician to know his audience and the nature of the individuals that make u
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L.S.
Apr 11, 2010 L.S. rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2010
Am citit cartea asta ceva mai greu decat mi-as fi imaginat. Poate si pentru consistenta mare a ideilor, condensate in fiecare propozitie a dialogului. Schema discursului a fost de mare ajuor pentru intelegerea structurii, iar pt. cei interesati (nu pt. mine) de un studiu aprofundat exista cateva zeci de pagini de note cu explicatii suplimentare.

Dialogul este despre multe lucruri, de la fumos la iubire, insa cea mai semnificativa sectiunea mi s-a parut cea referitoare la arta discursului, la ret
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Rickeclectic
Dec 10, 2008 Rickeclectic rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Philosophy buffs, literary criticism buffs
Shelves: philosophy
Previously considered a lesser work by Plato, but more recently considered important because of Derrida. The text is about writing and oral communication and their role in telling the truth. The dialogue very cleverly intersperses the difference between true and false love with the difference between true and false rhetoric. In reading this, it helps to understand the opposition between Socrates and the sophists that pervades most of the other Platonic dialogues, but the Phaedrus can stand alone ...more
Seth Pierce
Feb 23, 2016 Seth Pierce rated it it was amazing
A classic work on rhetoric, with many fascinating parts; even though the subject matter of the initial two speeches is probably the least interesting to me ;) The scholar's introduction/footnotes in this edition are extremely helpful.

Fantastic edition.
Cristina Berná
La introducción me la dejé a la mitad porque prácticamente me estaba desvelando todo el libro y dije adiós a su excesiva extensión y desarrollo de la obra de la que apenas saqué algo en claro.

Fedro y Sócrates mantienen una conversación acerca de un discurso de Lisias que el primero tiene. Dicho texto trata de a quién debes concederles tus favores si al amado o al que ama y a propósito de estos discuten ambos personajes.

Fedro convence a Sócrates para que dé su opinión y éste empieza hablando de q
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Abraham Tsoukalidis
Ένα από τα ουσιαστικότερα και απολαυστικότατα αναγνώσματα φιλοσοφίας http://el.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Φαίδρο... για τον Έρωτα και την Ψυχή σε μια πολύ ωραία http://m.lifo.gr/mag/features/4806 μετάφραση http://www.biblionet.gr/book/200884/Π...
Μια πραγματικά απίστευτη περιγραφή της Ψυχής (Ψυχή πάσα αθάνατος) από τον Πλάτωνα, ως έχουσα 3 μέρη "δύο μέρη με μορφή αλόγου) (εγώ, υποσυνείδητο, ασυνείδητο) σαν ένα άρμα με 2 άλογα και ηνίοχο (έχοντας πριν περιγράψει πως ενώ η κρίση μας οδηγεί (αγούσης) με
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Ioan Suhov
Feb 14, 2015 Ioan Suhov rated it it was amazing
Perhaps, it might be impossible to even try to present briefly this magnificent chef-d'oeuvre of Plato.
In addition to being a true philosophical writing on "conditio umana", on the Good and the Bad, on the meaning of life and so on, it also demolishes the idea of nowadays "Platonic love". As pointed out by Wilamowitz at the beginning of the 20th century not only does Platon believes that pure lust and love may, at some point lead to knowledge (but they have to be, afterwards, controlled by a li
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Bob Nichols
The central feature of this dialogue is the myth of the two horses and the charioteer that describes the relationship between the souls of this world and the afterworld (heaven and beyond, to Reality?). The myth’s central message is that our world, the natural world of the cave and all of that, is inferior; the real world lies beyond. It is an immortal, perfect realm that philosopher-types are best suited to see.

Socrates defines two forms of love. In one, love is of the physical kind, such as a
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Jon
Jan 07, 2009 Jon rated it really liked it
Plato at his most playful. First Socrates presents one argument about romantic love (in a nutshell--that it's dangerous and not to be messed with), then professes to have changed his mind and presents an extreme counter to his own argument, (that love is a reminder of our true spiritual form and should be sought above all else). He finally reveals that he's just been messing with Phaedrus in order to show him how unwieldy and unreliable the art of rhetoric can be.
Jani
Oct 20, 2015 Jani rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
In Phaidros,the namesake is ambushed by Socrates, who like a granny ambushing a mailman wants to hear the latest speech made by the famous orator Lysias. Socrates takes Phaidros to a secluded location where he makes him recall the whole speech on love after which he decides to prove its unworthiness by giving not only one, but two contradictory speeches on the subject, where he among other things, as is proper for the times, rails about the beauty of young boys as lovers. Not to leave anything t ...more
Radit Panjapiyakul
If you have read any other dialogues before, from the start of Phaedrus, you could sense that something is going on under the surface, something complex, a kind of dissonant. The writing is more poetic. There's more awareness and talking of the setting and surrounding. And looks like it is divided into two parts, love and rhetoric, two topics which don't seem to go together or have any relation to each other. The first part consists mainly of speechs (This is quite similar to Symposium though). ...more
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Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.

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“If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.” 43 likes
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