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Cato maior de senectute est dialogus philosophicus a M. Tullio Cicerone anno 44 a.C.n. scriptus, paulo antequam mortuus est. Qui dialogus in colloquio inter tres personas consistit: Cato Maior disputat de senectute cum P. Scipione Aemiliano et C. Laelio.
Laelius de amicitia est dialogus philosophicus M. Tulli Ciceronis, quem scripsit anno 44 a.C.n., post Caesaris mortem, qu
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Published November 3rd 2006 by Hard Press (first published -44)
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Mohammad Ali
از این دو رساله که به طور خلاصه و به صورت آزاد ترجمه شده اند، عیش پیری را می پسندم اما راز دوستی را نه چندان. البته پسندیدن صرفا به عنوان نوعی اندرز و حکمت نه همچون نوشتار دقیق فلسفی - که البته خود سیسرو ( یا کیکِرو ) هم چنین ادعایی ندارد.

رساله ی دوم یعنی راز دوستی بر دوستی مبتنی بر تقوا و فضیلت تأکید فراوان دارد - به پیروی از ارسطو. اما من دوستی را چنین مقید نمی بینم. اتفاقا دوستی در افت و خیزهای انسانی بارزتر است تا فضایل و کمالات. دوستی پشتوانه ای است برای آدمیان تا بدانند حتی اگر خطایی کنند
It’s about time that I read some Cicero. In the history of writing, it is difficult to overstate Cicero’s influence. To quote the most authoritative source I know, Wikipedia: “His influence on the Latin language was so immense that that the subsequent history of prose in not only Latin but European languages up to the 19th century was said to be either a reaction against or a return to his style.” It does seem that, until recently, everyone with any pretensions to education read him. I can’t cou ...more
Buen par de ensayos o monólogos. Desde las perspectivas estoicas y del neoplatonismo hace una introducción en estos 2 temas, que se van ramificando en varios asuntos. Aparte de su punto de vista filosófico, hace una exposición bastante clara desde la sencillez, el sentido común, y basándose en sus propias experiencias. El lenguaje es claro y fácil de leer, no hay ninguna dificultad. También ayuda un excelente prologo que da un repaso a la biografía de Cicerón, su obra y las corrientes filosófica ...more
These are two conversations that were told to Cicero and recorded by him in letters to friends. Reading these treatises has given me the desire for closer friends and has stayed my fears concerning old age and death. These are refreshing and enlightening treatises and were a delight to read.
On Friendship - quite an interesting read, especially his belief that friends should share all interests and pursuits.

On Old Age - This was one of the most beautiful pieces of writing I have ever read. Old age is not something to be feared, it is something to be enjoyed. His discussion of death, and why we should not fear it, is great for everyone.
Brent Jefferson
An excellent read full of wisdom. Short enough for anyone to get through. Free download on Ibooks or at
Volkan Yaşarlar
Yaşlılık üzerine olan bölüm bir çeşit ölümle yüzleşme terapisi olarak da okunabilir ki ben bu bölümü daha çok sevdim. Her şekliyle klasiklerden biri ve mutlaka okunmalı.
Read On Old Age. Doesn't apply to our times.
Cicero lists four reasons why old age is considered an unhappy phase:
“The fact is that when I come to think it over, I find that there are
four reasons for old age being thought unhappy: First, that it withdraws
us from active employments; second, that it enfeebles the body; third,
that it deprives us of nearly all physical pleasures; fourth, that it is
the next step to death. Of each of these reasons, if you will allow me,
let us examine the force and justice separately.”

He goes and examines these a
Edwin Roman
Terrific insights into the problems of youth and old age: ideas that will live forever. Contemporary people can learn some valuable lessons from this book, especially in view of our current culture's treatment of the subject of friendship as if it's just a matter of two people having similar tastes in smart phone apps.
Tim Gannon
It was really worth at least 3.5 on my Likert scale. As the title implies, Cicero talked about friendship and old age. My life is more complete for having read it. It is brief and an easy read. It deals with 2 topics that, if applied, will make us better people : )
Verbose, but that was the style of the time. As relevant today as it was 2000 years ago.
Onyango Makagutu
A book for all times
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January 3, 106 BCE – December 7, 43 BCE

Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman philosopher, statesman, lawyer, political theorist, and Roman constitutionalist. Cicero is widely considered one of Rome's greatest orators and prose stylists.
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