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Acedia & Me: A Marriage, Monks, and a Writer's Life
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Kathleen Norris’s masterpiece: a personal and moving memoir that resurrects the ancient term acedia, or soul-weariness, and brilliantly explores its relevancy to the modern individual and culture.
Kathleen Norris had written several much loved books, yet she couldn’t drag herself out of bed in the morning, couldn’t summ...more
Kathleen Norris’s masterpiece: a personal and moving memoir that resurrects the ancient term acedia, or soul-weariness, and brilliantly explores its relevancy to the modern individual and culture.
Kathleen Norris had written several much loved books, yet she couldn’t drag herself out of bed in the morning, couldn’t summ...more
Hardcover, 329 pages
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September 16th 2008
by Riverhead
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Acedia was identified by a fourth-century monk named Evagrius as one of the eight bad thoughts. It evolved into one of the seven deadly sins.
Acedia is to spiritual health what depression is to mental health. Where depression is fought with therapy and medication, fighting acedia is a matter of spiritual warfare.
This is an oversimplification. To properly describe acedia and the battle with it would require a book. Kathleen Norris has written such a book. She has done so in 300-plus pages; I think...more
Acedia is to spiritual health what depression is to mental health. Where depression is fought with therapy and medication, fighting acedia is a matter of spiritual warfare.
This is an oversimplification. To properly describe acedia and the battle with it would require a book. Kathleen Norris has written such a book. She has done so in 300-plus pages; I think...more
I listened to the author read this one, and I'm sure my opinion is somewhat colored by the fact that she is not a particularly good performer, and she has a fairly grating voice. Nevertheless a very interesting book--taking acedia (roughly the Deadly Sin of sloth) very seriously and in fact taking all the deadly sins the same way. She traces its history from one of the eight bad thoughts of the 5th century desert fathers (and, she invariably adds, mothers, although there were precious few of tho...more
After digesting this book for a couple weeks, I realize the analogy is that like the Slow Food movement, this book is meant to be read slowly, in small doses, and savored inbetween. The title, for that matter, gives no real clue as to what it contains - especially the word, Acedia.
So what does it mean? Acedia - a tendency, a demonic attack, a spiritual manifestation, a temptation, a sin, that tends to cause apathy in the face of a call to action, bitterness in the face of conditions that call fo...more
So what does it mean? Acedia - a tendency, a demonic attack, a spiritual manifestation, a temptation, a sin, that tends to cause apathy in the face of a call to action, bitterness in the face of conditions that call fo...more
This is another of Kathleen Norris' books, published in 2008, so the most recent of the books she's written. I read "The Quotidian Mysteries" first, then this book, then her others in random order. The text of "The Quotidian Mysteries" is actually about a chapters worth of material in "Acedia and Me", so you see some of the same material over again.
As I mentioned before, reading Kathleen Norris' books is rather like peeling an onion. She discusses many of the same issues in her books, but from s...more
As I mentioned before, reading Kathleen Norris' books is rather like peeling an onion. She discusses many of the same issues in her books, but from s...more
Kathleen Norris' 'Dakota' captured my attention for a couple of weeks five years ago. It opened my eyes to dynamics that still inform how I see and experience the world today.
When I saw the title and subtitle of this book, I knew I needed to read it. Norris, in her typical fashion (well-researched, highly personal, filled with grace, and humorous...not a bad combo!), presents a fascinating study on what ancient virtue-ethicists (monks, in this case) called Acedia. She struggles over how to trans...more
When I saw the title and subtitle of this book, I knew I needed to read it. Norris, in her typical fashion (well-researched, highly personal, filled with grace, and humorous...not a bad combo!), presents a fascinating study on what ancient virtue-ethicists (monks, in this case) called Acedia. She struggles over how to trans...more
Kathleen Norris has made an auspicious place for herself in spiritual literature, through her explorations with poetry, with place (Dakota), and her extensive time spent in Benedictene monasteries. Her most recent book is a study on acedia, defined as the absence of care. Acedia was one of the "eight bad thoughts" as defined by the desert fathers, and became known as "sloth" when the Catholic church defined seven deadly sins.
Norris acknowledges that this sort of torpor or boredom with repetition...more
Norris acknowledges that this sort of torpor or boredom with repetition...more
Reread pp 1-80
"David enjoyed a passage I had found in Louise Bogan's memoirs, in which she writes of seeing out the window of a psychiatric ward, a woman hanging clothes and of 'wishing that I, too, could . . . hang out clothes in a happy, normal way.' When she walked with other patients at 'the hour when children begin to scent supper,' she observed an air of despondency came over the group. The women 'knew the hour in their bones. It was no hour to be out, taking an aimless walk'" (81).
"I am s...more
"David enjoyed a passage I had found in Louise Bogan's memoirs, in which she writes of seeing out the window of a psychiatric ward, a woman hanging clothes and of 'wishing that I, too, could . . . hang out clothes in a happy, normal way.' When she walked with other patients at 'the hour when children begin to scent supper,' she observed an air of despondency came over the group. The women 'knew the hour in their bones. It was no hour to be out, taking an aimless walk'" (81).
"I am s...more
I gave this a 4-star rating, but that's really a compromise between 3 stars and 5 stars -- some parts of it were really excellent and some parts of it felt repetitive. I suspect the book is a compilation of some lecture material and articles. These were the parts that I thought could have been edited together, rather than cobbled together. The question at the bottom of the book is: How is Acedia like/unlike depression. There were sections that I felt like I "got it" and other sections seem to un...more
In this theological memoir Kathleen Norris explores her relationship with acedia, a term long forgotten and now difficult to define. It is often described as chronic apathy, boredom, sloth, bleakness of soul, an inability to care." She applies this concept to contemporary society as "the ancient demon of acedia in modern dress".
Norris goes to great length to define the word acedia, a complex and little-known word that feels frighteningly familiar, and then to describe it's presence in herself, h...more
Norris goes to great length to define the word acedia, a complex and little-known word that feels frighteningly familiar, and then to describe it's presence in herself, h...more
There are times when you read a book and you feel that you have been waiting for this book your whole life. It is as if this book had been written with you in mind. I have always had an attachment to the books I read, sometimes too much of an attachment, but this book answered some lingering questions I had about my life choices and it helped to clarify how to deal with some issues I had been struggling with throughout my adult life. I know I sound hyperbolic, but Acedia & me: a Marriage, Mo...more
The quality of content and scope of this book would merit four stars, but I settled on three stars because it is so incredibly difficult to read. I've had it on the bedside table forever and couldn't get through more than a few chapters. I finally listened to the author read it on CD, which really made it clear how dense the material was, intensely intellectual and detailing complex personal issues. The difficulty arises from her weaving of a very substantial academic meditation on a relatively...more
An erudite, if rambling book that tries to combine the writer's life with meditations on the concept of Acedia. Acedia unfortunately seems to be hard for her to define: it's a habit of mind that combines a sort of fatalistic resentment of things with laziness, and that affects people who are drawn to the monastic life. "I don't want to do anything, and I don't care!"
Mixed in with this are biographical snapshots of her life. Her husbands slow, hidden sink into depression, her life as a young woma...more
Mixed in with this are biographical snapshots of her life. Her husbands slow, hidden sink into depression, her life as a young woma...more
Acedia is the term coined by the desert ascetics for the temptation to a particular kind of restlessness and sorrow. It is not an illness. It is not depression. It's neither sloth nor laziness. Personified as the noonday-demon, acedia was once considered one of the deadly sins. The term has given way to sloth, but it might be better described as the father of sloth. It is the temptation to diversion that keeps one off-task and unproductive when facing a deadline or goal. It is a form of apathy t...more
I picked up this book based on Giedra's Goodreads recommendation. I'll do an grossly inadequate job at defining acedia, but I gathered it to be thoughts that lead to slothfulness. Early on, I determined I didn't suffer from acedia necessarily and thought about ditching the book. Thankfully, I flipped over a few chapters and caught some narrative that pulled me in, so that I kept reading. I particularly liked Norris' references to the desert monks. It was amazing to read a quote that so vividly d...more
Norris says in the introduction to this book that she's been working on it for a long, long time, gathering materials, reading, and writing. I suspect that what she was waiting for - consciously or intuitively - was an organizing structure. She never found it.
"Acedia & Me" is full of lots of wisdom and reflection on the spiritual problem of depression/apathy/boredom/distraction, as well as a smattering of wonderful quotes and stories from church literature that has been largely forgotten by...more
"Acedia & Me" is full of lots of wisdom and reflection on the spiritual problem of depression/apathy/boredom/distraction, as well as a smattering of wonderful quotes and stories from church literature that has been largely forgotten by...more
FABULOUS. I'd forgotten how much I'd enjoyed Kathleen Norris before I found this book in a thrift store. Then, it turned out the local library had the audiobook version, with a cd that included a pdf of many of the quotes. This book helped me think through some topics. Here are some of my favorite quotes.
...making your bed is a form of showing hospitatlity to yourself...
physical work is the best way to fight acedia
You struggle with apathy because you have a great capacity for zeal
only worry abou...more
...making your bed is a form of showing hospitatlity to yourself...
physical work is the best way to fight acedia
You struggle with apathy because you have a great capacity for zeal
only worry abou...more
If Ms Norris had hired a better editor, I may have been able to finish this book a bit quicker - as it stands, it has taken me 3 years. The subtitle gives you a clue to the problem - no, these three things do not end up fitting together at all. Much space is given to her marriage, which should perhaps have been left to it's own book. The parts where she does talk about acedia and the desert fathers were good, but they never quite hung together - repetition, with no final grasp of what acedia rea...more
I have read previous works by Kathleen Norris including "Cloister Walk" and
"Dakota" both about her experiences as a frequent visitor to a monastic
community in North Dakota. I have enjoyed her thoughtful contemplative insights.
This book explores the theme of spiritual acedia, which is a term that comes from
early Christian monastic writing and means something like spiritual sloth.The
book also relates her husband's depression and illnesses. She looks at the overlap
between the spiritual and the ps...more
"Dakota" both about her experiences as a frequent visitor to a monastic
community in North Dakota. I have enjoyed her thoughtful contemplative insights.
This book explores the theme of spiritual acedia, which is a term that comes from
early Christian monastic writing and means something like spiritual sloth.The
book also relates her husband's depression and illnesses. She looks at the overlap
between the spiritual and the ps...more
I forget what it was that led me to seek out this book—maybe a mention in Quiet?—but it's certainly unusual for me to read a book with a Christian spiritual message at its core. That's not why I was reading it, of course. What intrigued me was the idea of an examination of acedia as a condition or state distinct from (and more insidious than) the depression and "mere" sloth with which it's now conflated. It's an old idea, dating to the desert hermits and mystics of early Christianity, one of the...more
I was disappointed with this book. It was just too uneven of a book, with moments when it really picked up my interest and passages that spoke to my heart, only to fade in a few pages to the repetitious descriptions of acedia. At times I just wanted to scream at her: go back and rewrite it all as essays.
I really wanted to hear more about her experience as a teenager, about marriage, death and spiritual growth. But she insisted on linking it all under the theme of acedia, and too often it felt m...more
I really wanted to hear more about her experience as a teenager, about marriage, death and spiritual growth. But she insisted on linking it all under the theme of acedia, and too often it felt m...more
This is a very well-written autobiography - interesting, heart-felt. Unfortunately it is not just a personal narrative. The autobiographical sections are accompanied by - are buried between - seemingly endless pages of subjective introspection, quite narcissistic, tedious, and by even more pages of diffuse speculations on the concept of acedia. Reviving this word might have some value - might be useful in discriminating between ordinary depression and this particular variety - the feeling of com...more
Oh this latest from K Norris is her best yet, at least to my brain. A little-known-to-the-modern-world wave of thought/behavior called Acedia is its focus. Here Norris has spared no effort, during the book's incubation over the last 20 years, at yanking Acedia out from its sly hiding places in her own life and subjecting it to a lasery investigation. This investigation includes the testimonies of men and women who fled the cities in the early Christian era for the purpose of creating labs out o...more
The book and its subtitle does a good job of describing its purpose and structure. It is supposed to be centrally about acedia, which Norris defines early on, but muddies throughout the text, adding definitions and details to expand her writing. But the initial definition is "the absence of care." "Acedia is the monk's temptation because, in the demanding life of prayer, it offers the ease of indifference." I especially like and am challenged by Aquinas' comment that acedia is not following the...more
As in "The Cloister Walk," (which I did enjoy), Norris mixes careful research and quotation from sources with personal experience, this time as she tries to define the term "acedia." Although she tries to distinguish it from depression and sloth, she notes an overlap, and the boundaries between the terms seem muddy at times.
I was interested to see how she developed a discussion of this interesting spiritual condition that can lead to laziness, etc., but the organization of parts of the book was...more
I was interested to see how she developed a discussion of this interesting spiritual condition that can lead to laziness, etc., but the organization of parts of the book was...more
Given my driving habits this last year commuting to school, I felt compelled to get the recorded version. How is it that, despite my annoyance at the timber of author Norris' delivery - a sloooow unengaging slog - I couldn't stop listening and it kept me company for several long return trips, an unique reading experience in itself.
Some of my subbornness was due to my good history with her writing from her Dakoka days, another her honest scholarship, her own relentlessness and, as the book came...more
Some of my subbornness was due to my good history with her writing from her Dakoka days, another her honest scholarship, her own relentlessness and, as the book came...more
I have only read one other book by Kathleen Norris, The Cloister Walk. I loved that one and I appreciated this one because it filled in some of the gaps in her personal life that I had wondered about (what was her husband up to while she was spending so much time in that monastery? - and what did he think?). I liked her exploration of acedia and I have struggled with it at times, but not recently at all. In that sense it was hard to relate. It seems like a writer's life (or a monk's) would be hi...more
The concept of acedia really drew me into this book, as I readily identified with it--spiritual slothfulness, or as I put it, "knowing what would make you feel better, yet not doing it". Or as St. Thomas Aquinas expressed it, "not following the demands of love". The author, Norris, says acedia is not the same as depression, although they are first cousins. Anyways, I felt like the book was not well organized and somewhat repetitive. Then it seemed like acedia became the underlying cause for ever...more
Well, Ms. Norris.
The not so great: as she admits early on in the book, this is a subject that she wanted to write about for a very long time, and it sort of shows. It's sort of a pulling together of disparate elements from her life interspersed and not that well blended with meditation on the roots and definitions of acedia. And you kind of have to have read some of her other work to get the spiritual mindset she's coming from, which is a little problematic. So -- she doesn't pull it together th...more
The not so great: as she admits early on in the book, this is a subject that she wanted to write about for a very long time, and it sort of shows. It's sort of a pulling together of disparate elements from her life interspersed and not that well blended with meditation on the roots and definitions of acedia. And you kind of have to have read some of her other work to get the spiritual mindset she's coming from, which is a little problematic. So -- she doesn't pull it together th...more
It's a strange topic, or combination of topics for a book that I wholeheartedly recommend. Acedia--in modern terms--depression was concered one of the "bad thoughts" of medieval monastic life. Somehow though we've lost the term and the spiritual condition of acedia and replaced it with ennui or depression. And as the vocabulary has changed, so has the treatment--pills instead of prayer, psychology instead of psalms. Though I may disagree at times with Norris' Catholic theology and rituals, her d...more
I have whole shelves in my house devoted to books about marriage; to books about Catholicism; and to books about writing. And here we have a book that puts all three of those things in one place. Whoa!
I found here the same quiet contemplation and reflection on everyday lives that I found appealing in Kathleen Norris's earlier work, Dakota. And now that I live in South Dakota myself, I liked that I could vividly picture the way her life here must have been (I'm not sure she still lives here; at t...more
I found here the same quiet contemplation and reflection on everyday lives that I found appealing in Kathleen Norris's earlier work, Dakota. And now that I live in South Dakota myself, I liked that I could vividly picture the way her life here must have been (I'm not sure she still lives here; at t...more
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Kathleen Norris was born on July 27, 1947 in Washington, D.C. She grew up in Honolulu, Hawaii, as well as on her maternal grandparents’ farm in Lemmon, South Dakota.
Her sheltered upbringing left her unprepared for the world she encountered when she began attending Bennington College in Vermont. At first shocked by the unconventionality surrounding her, Norris took refuge in poetry.
After she grad...more
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Her sheltered upbringing left her unprepared for the world she encountered when she began attending Bennington College in Vermont. At first shocked by the unconventionality surrounding her, Norris took refuge in poetry.
After she grad...more
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