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Dans son Gorgias, Platon livre bataille à ces marchands de sagesse qu'on appelait les sophistes. À la différence du savant incapable de faire valoir son point de vue en dehors du cercle de ses pairs, le sophiste, lui, grâce à sa compétence rhétorique, se targue de pouvoir rendre vraisemblable aux yeux de tous le vrai comme le faux.

Platon dénonce l'imposture de cet art de

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Published May 27th 1993 by Flammarion (first published -380)
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Riku Sayuj

A Starker Dialogue

Gorgias is very similar in structure, content, focus and argument with the Republic. In fact, it comes across almost a half-formed version of it, and scholars argue that it is in many ways like an early sketch for Republic. But unlike the Republic, which forays into metaphysics and utopias, the argument in Gorgias is anchored very much in this world, and, again in contrast to Republic where everyone seems persuaded in the end, Gorgias leaves us in the dark as to whether Socrate
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Trevor
Mar 02, 2008 Trevor rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Well, if one was to sum up, it would be hard to go past Plato’s own summary:

“And of all that has been said, nothing remains unshaken but the saying, that to do injustice is more to be avoided than to suffer injustice, and that the reality and not the appearance of virtue is to be followed above all things, as well in public as in private life; and that when any one has been wrong in anything, he is to be chastised, and that the next best thing to a man being just is that he should become just,
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AC
Oct 11, 2011 AC rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book is a masterpiece. It includes a critical text, and a line-by-line philological commentary. But even the reader without Greek will learn an enormous amount about Plato and related topics by reading it alongside a translation -- just skip all the entries dealing with purely philological matters.

It is often said that the best commentary on Aristotle is Aristotle. Hence, important commentaries on Aristotle spend most of their time quoting (in Greek) other passages from Aristotle. The same
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matt


An excellent example of philosophy justifying itself.

Everybody has heard the whole cranky, rather arrogant and patronizing remark made when someone who doesn't read very much or doesn't read for pleasure or instruction feels like scoffing a bit:

"Why are you reading this boring old stuff? Philosophy's good when you're younger, and you don't know anything, but once you become a real adult you should just let that stuff go..."

It's interesting that Socrates calls Gorgias out for basically maki
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Sookie
Gorgias is another Sophist (after Protagoras) with who Socrates interacts along with Callicles. The dialogue is interesting in its premise: Plato essentially says that morality is greatly tied with afterlife - a reward for being 'good' in this life. This is essentially the root of the argument or what Socrates tries to qualify it as one while Callicles comes after him viciously.

While Protagoras retires from the argument (which goes nowhere), Gorgias simply doesn't participate. Gorgias being the
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Melika Khoshnezhad
ادم فكر ميكنه از دو سه هزار سال پيش تا حالا با وجود اين همه اتفاقايي كه توي همه ي جنبه هاي زندگي ادم ها افتاده بايد طبيعت شون هم تغيير كرده باشه ولي مثل اينكه اين طور نيست و تمدن واقعا تاثيري روي ذات ادم ها نداره. گورگياس و مي خوندم و فكر مي كردم چقدر تعداد سوفيست هايي كه دور و بر خودم مي بينم زياده، چه برسه به اينكه تقريبا تمام ادم هاي بزرگي كه در راس هستند هم اگه سوفيست نبودن اونجا نبودن. ادم هايي كه مي تونن كاري كنن كه با كلمه هاي قشنگ زشت ترين دروغ به نظر مردم قشنگ ترين حقيقت ممكن به نظر بيا ...more
Cassandra Kay Silva
I throw my token in with Callicles when he said
"By the gods, Chaerephon, I too have been present at many discussions, but I don't believe that any has ever given me so much pleasure as this. If you like to go on talking all day, you are doing me a favor".

I simply can't get enough of these dialogues! I know there are flaws in them, I know that sometimes as (especially in the one on oratory) the protagonist (Socrates) gets all the words in edgewise and our dear antagonists do not make a fun enoug
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David Sarkies
Jun 14, 2014 David Sarkies rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Philosophers & Christians
Recommended to David by: University
Shelves: philosophy
Plato on the virtuous life
7 August 2011

It is difficult to put a date of composition to such a text, though internal comments can assist us with determining when it was written. While I do not consider myself an expert on Plato, I would consider this text to be one of his earlier writings as he seems to be recording an earlier conversation as opposed to using Socrates to be a mouthpiece for his own philosophy. A lot have been written on Plato's dialogues, which tend to be philosophical discussio
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Mandy
Aug 29, 2010 Mandy rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2010, philosophy
I feel the need to point out that while my ISBN matches, my book only has 149 pages (as opposed to the supposed 224, according to goodreads). I dunno what I'm missing out on, but as far as I can tell my book contains all its parts.

This book makes a lot of complex arguments, and at times I found it hard to follow. There were several occasions where I had to read passages and even whole pages over again because I got lost in the arguments. I think the instances where Plato chooses to have Socrates
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J.
Jun 15, 2013 J. rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Gorgias is structured in three sections, each section consists of a dialectic argument in dramatic form. The main focus is rhetoric and its uses. What is rhetoric? Is the purpose of rhetoric to win an argument or get to the 'truth'?

Historical context: The 5th century saw the spread of Sophistry and the professional use of rhetoric. Law courts were public occasions, Sophists went around giving lessons in law court rhetoric with an end to instructing others on how to get power and hold onto it. R
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Rob
Too old to rate. Reading this in a yellowed library book, with edges of the pages flaking off and falling into my lap as I read, Gorgias made a strong argument, more unintentionally than intentionally, for the uselessness of rhetoric. Time has turned Plato's wisdom into despotism and Socrates' humility into a shield to hide his philosophy's flaws behind. Does Plato still offer anything to teach us today, not merely as history but as genuine philosophy? A lot of what he says are certainly good po ...more
James
I read this twenty years ago and participated in my first weekend retreat sponsored by the Basic Program of Liberal Education of The University of Chicago. It was an exciting weekend as we sat up past midnight discussing Plato's arguments for education and the power of the sophists represented by Gorgias. As part of the weekend we watched the film, Educating Rita, and it has become one of my favorites always bringing memories of that weekend and Plato's Gorgias.
The familiar saying of Socrates is
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Garrett Cash
Besides the philosophy, which has been much discussed, I also found interesting Socrates's unusual tone in this dialogue. He is much fiercer and more opinionated than in others, and the whole discussion itself seems more like a heated argument than the typical philosophical debate. Callicles even goes as far as to say Socrates is on the level of an annoying child for studying philosophy at his age.
Ahmad Sharabiani
Gorgias, Plato, Walter Hamilton (Translator), Chris Emlyn-Jones (Commentary)
Harmondsworth: Penguin Books, 1960=1339, In 149 Pages
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Selman
Oct 24, 2011 Selman rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Ben hakikaten sevmiyorum bu Platon'u ya. Gorgias'ı tekrar okuyunca tekrar farkettim. Şimdi kitap elimde değil, zaten sağlıklı analizler yapacak halim ve iştiyakım da yok ama özetle şöyle söyleyebilirim: Platon, Sokrates'in tartışmayı sanki son derece sistematik ve kullandığı kavramların her birini açık seçik tanımlayarak yürüttüğü gibi bir izlenim vermeye çalışıyor ve fakat aslında durum hiç de öyle değil.

Platon, Sokrates'in muhataplarını kendilerini bir şey sanan avanaklar gibi gösterip duruyor
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Osas Aghaku
Mar 21, 2014 Osas Aghaku rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I remember reading this a few years ago, but somehow I decided to rent and read it again and I have to say that I'm so freaking happy that I did. Now that I'm older and perhaps a little bit more mature, I now can digest the content and wisdom Gorgias (the book itself, duuuh) has to offer and I even enjoyed it more than I did back then. In the whole dialogue it's seems to me that it's pretty clear where I find myself, and sure some arguments took thinking as you go on(how could it not?), but it w ...more
Jason Kirk
Feb 19, 2014 Jason Kirk rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
If you've never read Plato, start with Gorgias . This extended dialogue lays out many of the foundational principles of democracy (and Socrates' fiercest critiques of its Athenian implementation) and its arguments maintain their relevance today, even as the democratic ideal lists ever more drunkenly toward a capitalist bastardization that suppresses more and more citizens, not least in these United States. Walter Hamilton's canonical English translation serves the material well, rendering among ...more
Bob Nichols
Socrates goes though a mind-numbing series of overly-long questions about some issues of philosophical import. While in the Protagoras Socrates complains about long-winded statements, he states in this dialogue that a four sentence response by Polus was “a lengthy exposition.” Unlike Polus, who Socrates treats unfairly, Socrates meets his intellectual match with Callicles. Callicles is not bullied into simplistic yes or no answers to questions and to a logic that he finds difficult to follow. Ca ...more
David
Feb 04, 2016 David rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This book could really be called "The Gospel according to Socrates." What a fantastic, inspiring, enlightening book. My bottom-line takeaway from this book is happiness = justice + self control. Justice means always putting your soul first. If you do wrong, then for the sake of your soul make it right. If you must be punished then for the sake of your soul, take your punishment and allow it to remove the evil from your soul. In the same way, put other people's souls first as well. Tell the truth ...more
Jeff
Feb 27, 2015 Jeff rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: philosophy
Socrates at his finest.
Odi Shonga
Oct 13, 2014 Odi Shonga rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I'm not going to speak about the philosophy in this, partially because I'm terribly lazy and partially because I don't really think goodreads is the forum for that. There are many things in it if you're into ancient ethics: what is the greatest good (pleasure? power? justice?), what role does knowledge play in virtue/ethics, whether people ever truly desire bad, that kinda thing; it's also always fun to watch battle be done between the sophist/rhetorician and the philosopher. I'm sure there's a ...more
Lukerik
Jul 24, 2015 Lukerik rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A little note light compared to more recent penguin editions of this sort of thing, but a fair trade off for the quality of the translation. Clearly written and does well at bringing out the speakers' tone. Socrates is in fine fettle in this dialogue, angry and sarcastic, and you can see how annoying he must have been. There's some really nice stuff relating to his death in the argument with Callicles, but that with Polus is the stand out argument for me. The idea that it's better to suffer wron ...more
Leif
Sep 18, 2009 Leif rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
What can I say about Plato that hasn't already been said: either here, or by the editor of my edition, who was generous enough to point out all the flaws in Socrates' arguments. I read this for its discussion of rhetoric, and came away somewhat enlightened, stimulated, and angry. If that helps.
Robert Palmer
May 03, 2014 Robert Palmer rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: Trial lawyers and public speakers
Shelves: philosophy
Ouch!

I am a trial lawyer, and what this ancient dialogue has to say strikes home, for it is concerned with the proper and improper use of rhetoric. Today the term, "rhetoric," has a pejorative connotation, but in its purest sense, it simply refers to means of persuasion. The very word itself has Greek origins and is derived from the Greek word, ῥητορικός (“rhētorikos”), which literally means “concerning public speech.” That word, in turn, is derived from the Greek word, ῥήτωρ (“rhētōr”), which m
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Alp Turgut
Her ne kadar zaman aşımına uğramış bir sonuca bağlansa da Platon'un "Gorgias Ya Da Retorik Üstüne" eseri iyi ile kötünün ne olduğunu derin bir şekilde inceleyen, bunu yaparken de sanatın ne olduğunu açıklamaya çalışarak okuyucunun ufkunu açmayı başaran bir kitap. Sanatı daha çok politikanın vazgeçilmez aracı retorikle yani sözle etkileme sanatı üzerinden açıklamaya çalışan kitabın günümüzde bile hala devam eden sanat tartışmalarına ön ayak olduğu bir gerçek. Buradan kitabın politikaya da el attı ...more
Lori
Jan 04, 2016 Lori rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
I found the character of Socrates rather annoying in this discourse. I disliked some of the reasoning. At one point, it is basically argued that if sickness is evil and health is good, and you can't have sickness and health at the same time, then you can't have evil and good at the same time. Arguments also repeatedly depend on the premise that no man does evil on purpose, just because no one is willing to say out loud that sometimes people knowingly do bad things. I know this is a work of its t ...more
Jamie
Feb 08, 2012 Jamie rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Nothing personal. I just detest this type of literature and don't understand why anyone would read it outside of a required reading list for school.
Jason Meinig
Dec 28, 2013 Jason Meinig rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
One of Plato's better works, in my opinion. The book revolves around questions of the best way to live.. with virtue? being completely self-indulgent? self-controlled? hedonistic? Is rhetoric of any value at all? Is rhetoric better or worse than actual knowledge/teaching? In Plato's typical fashion, he has his usual character/hero/mentor, Socrates, argue through these ideas and more to arrive at and/or elucidate greater truth. I like reading Plato, not because he "knows the truth", but rather by ...more
Adam Sprague
Feb 11, 2015 Adam Sprague rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
So Plato criticizes Gorgias for doing the very thing that Plato is doing in Gorgias...
Takenari
Nov 28, 2015 Takenari rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Gorgias redux:
Started reading The Republic and found myself going back to Gorgias.

Both sides (Callicles and Socrates) present their cases forcefully.

Socrates remains an enigma because his view is so counter-intuitive and paradoxical.
In spite of it or because of it -- I don't know which -- I am getting in the exchanges an overwhelming sense of Socrates as a living person giving full vent to his considered beliefs. This is not a guru, a "philosopher" nor an author-surrogate lecturing his doctrine.
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  • The Metaphysics of Morals (Texts in the History of Philosophy)
  • Proslogion
  • Philoctetes
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  • Discourse on Metaphysics & Other Essays
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  • A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge
  • The Way Things Are: The De Rerum Natura
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Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.

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“If it were necessary either to do wrong or to suffer it, I should choose to suffer rather than do it.” 11 likes
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