Phaedrus (Classical Greek Texts)
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“Every heart sings a song, incomplete, until another heart whispers back. Those who wish to sing always find a song. At the touch of a lover, everyone becomes a poet.”
THE SCHOOL OF LOVE
Phaedrus is commonly paired on the one hand with Gorgias and on the other with Symposium - with all three combining and leading towards Republic. It is compared with Gorgias in sharing its principal theme, the nature and limitations of rhetoric, and with Symposium in being devoted to the nature and val ...more
SOCRATES: Good evening, Harry.
SOCRATES: Don't worry, I'm not real. This is a dream.
SOCRATES: I see you're reading Phaedrus. Looking for advice, maybe?
HARRY: I-- I just can't understand how I could have done it. Why did I fuck her? I've ruined everything.
SOCRATES: You're sure about that?
HARRY: We ha ...more
As they say in the classics, I’m glad I reviewed "The Symposium" before "Phaedrus".
Although the two relate to similar subject matter, it’s uncertain in what order they were written.
However, "Phaedrus" isn’t the toga party that "The Symposium" was, primarily because there are less participants. And everybody knows, the bigger the toga party, the better. (Well, it has a potential for more surprises, though apart from the surprise elemen ...more
the topic is love, but here, instead of looking at many different aspects of love, the topic is, initially, who is the better object of a man's love? One should keep in mind that one of the positions defended in the Symposium is: the mo ...more
With self-de ...more
Some of the other goodreads reviews are very well-written and do a nice job of analyzing the dialogue. Many highly recommend it.
The dialogue is a conversation between Socrates and Phaedrus out for a walk on a hot summer afternoon. They take shelter in a cool spot ...more
La domanda legittima è: perché, quando uno sta già leggendo altri sette libri, una bella mattin ...more
Perhaps we get the word philosophy from this dialogue. At least in it Socrates defines the typ ...more
ابتدأ الكتاب بخطاب لوسياس عن العشق وأن غير العاشق أنفع من العاشق، لأن العاشق سيكون تحت سحر معشوقه ولن يعود عليه نفع من جراء ذلك العشق.
ثم رفض سقراط بطريقة ماكرة هذا الأمر بعد جدل طويل، وذم الحب، ثم جاءته نوبة تنبيه من ( الآلهة ! ) بأنه أخطأ في حق إله الحب، فعاد لاستخراج معنى الحب السامي من خلال جدل طويل أيضاً، ثم بيّن بعد ذلك نقداً للخطابة والفن عموماً حينما يجعل الحق باطلاً ويوهم بالحقائق، وأثناء الجدال ذكر أهمية معرفة النفس وأنها أول ما ينبغي معرفة حقيقته لكل ...more
A big takeaway: Rhetoric, to be truly effective and true and beautiful, requires the rhetorician to know his audience and the nature of the individuals that make u ...more
Dialogul este despre multe lucruri, de la fumos la iubire, insa cea mai semnificativa sectiunea mi s-a parut cea referitoare la arta discursului, la ret ...more
In addition to being a true philosophical writing on "conditio umana", on the Good and the Bad, on the meaning of life and so on, it also demolishes the idea of nowadays "Platonic love". As pointed out by Wilamowitz at the beginning of the 20th century not only does Platon believes that pure lust and love may, at some point lead to knowledge (but they have to be, afterwards, controlled by a li ...more
Socrates defines two forms of love. In one, love is of the physical kind, such as a ...more
Treating this as a discourse on love is the most basic, obvious, literal, interpretation of the work. Phaedrus, the character, engages with Socrates on the deeper topics of the work: persuasive speech, writing, rhetoric, the soul, truth, philosophy, rules of art, unprofound contemporary persons, ...more
This is a very beautiful work, by one of the greatest men who walked this earth.
Is it better to choose someone who loves you?
Or to associate with another, who does not love you?
I guess sometimes there is no choice…
What is love?
As it is known, Socrates uses dialectics to oppose different points of view, which in the end will bring out the truth. To begin with, there is an interesting argument in favor of selecting a person who does not love us, because his thinking is not clouded ...more
Phaedrus is smaller in scope and to be honest, slightly less engaging but it does throw up some interesting ideas. I liked Plato's analogy of the charioteer with two ...more
In his dialogue Phaedrus, Plato addresses the problems of writing and deems it inferior to speech. He opens with a made-up myth about an Egyptian King receiving, as gif ...more
Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.
Plato is one of the most ...more