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Forever Peace (The Forever War #2)

3.72 of 5 stars 3.72  ·  rating details  ·  11,440 ratings  ·  254 reviews
2043 A.D.: The Ngumi War rages. A burned-out soldier and his scientist lover discover a secret that could put the universe back to square one. And it is not terrifying. It is tempting...
Library Binding, 351 pages
Published October 1st 1998 by Turtleback Books (first published November 1st 1991)
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Welcome to the future...where the final war is being waged
....against war itself.

There is such a bounty of wonderful, insightful and important ideas stuffed into this novel that I find myself seriously bummed that weak storytelling and plodding central plot flow marred my enjoyment enough to keep me from awarding this a 4th star.

Still, from a component standpoint, this is a collection of gems.


The Haves:

The Alliance, led by the U.S., but including most of what we would consider t

Following the resounding success of my Locus Quest, I faced a dilemma: which reading list to follow it up with? Variety is the spice of life, so I’ve decided to diversify and pursue six different lists simultaneously. This book falls into my HUGO WINNERS list.

This is the reading list that follows the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I loved reading the Locus Sci-Fi Award winners so I'm going to crack on with the Hugo winners next (but only the post-1980 winners, I'll follow up with
Never have I disagreed more with people who's opinions I respect. Forever Peace is a highly acclaimed and beloved book to many, but I disagree.

To begin with, this had nothing to do with The Forever War. So to market it as Forever War #2, sounds like a cash grab. That irritated me off the bat. The Forever War dealt with an interstellar war, where time dilation kept the players on an eternally shifting background.
It was a brilliant analogy for the futility of war, written by a Vietnam veteran to
This is not a sequel to The Forever War.

Haldeman says it is not, in a statement at the beginning of the 1997 novel, that it is related in setting but not a sequel, and not really related that much.

So why the title?

Well, it’s about the storyline, a strangely intriguing idea that the reader doesn’t entirely get until near the end. Fans of his earlier Forever War, first published in 1974, will notice some similarities in the centralized welfare state and obligatory civil service, and in his casuall
This book is either the best "bad book" or the worst "good book" in science fiction, depending on your perspective. Its plot and structure are a jumbled mess: It basically reads like two separate novellas forced together into a single storyline. The first storyline revolves around the technological as well as psychological needs for fighting a near-future worldwide guerilla war, in which the powers behind a globalized World System must suppress desperate peasants who are on the losing end of tha ...more
Mike Moore
This book starts slowly, then builds up a formidable foundation of ideas and possibilities before devolving to a fairly silly conclusion. In some ways I found it similar to works by the likes of Crichton or (Neal) Stephenson that build a fascinating world on an engaging premise, then rapidly and artificially generate and resolve a crisis to stand as a plot. I often wish that these authors could take the course of books that exist without plots of deadly peril or fearsome crisis... books like som ...more
I read this as the third volume in the Forever 'trilogy' by Joe Haldeman, which lead to some confusion when going to rate and review these books. I apologise for this and now I must review this novel.

Forever Peace is in my opinion a complete let-down in regards to the other two novels. While the premise is good, the book does not deliver on this premise. Haldeman chooses to focus on another type of soldier, Julian Class, who is engaged in a kind of drone war where he mentally connects into the d
A fascinating novel that effectively asks if war is an inevitable outcome of human nature and whether "to get rid of war, we have to become something other than human." About 100 years in the future, nanotechnology makes it unnecessary for peoples of the rich countries to work, but all citizens have to do a few years military service to deal with the pervasive revolutionary movements in the disenfranchised Third World countries under dictatorships in alliance with the dominant powers. The hero o ...more
Forever Peace is an interesting book in itself, describing how the group mind from The Forever War/Forever Free could come about, but I didn't really engage with it very much emotionally. Partially because the main character, Julian, is self-destructive and emotionally off. It's self-defence, perhaps. It's not a headspace I want to spend much time in. At least it's reasonably well handled.

It isn't really connected to the other books very closely, either, which doesn't help, and the switching bet
SciFi Kindle
This book is a spiritual, if not narrative, sequel to Haldeman’s 1975 “Forever War”. Both novels won the Hugo & Nebula, and explore the theme of war’s futility, although from different perspectives and in separate story-worlds. Readers expecting a continuation of Forever War’s interstellar conflict or relativistic time dilation effects, will see that instead this story features a strictly terrestrial struggle between the wealthy nations, fueled by effortless nano-factory produced plenty, and ...more
Buck Ward
As a preface to Forever Peace, Haldeman says, "This book is not a continuation of my 1975 novel The Forever War. From the author's point of view it is kind of a sequel..." From a readers point of view it has little to do with The Forever War, though it is usually listed as the second in a series. In terms of reading order, I think it doesn't matter at all which is read first.

Forever Peace is a kind of military sci-fi cyberpunk intrigue story. It isn't really cyberpunk in the same way as Gibson's
This is an science fiction story with a fascinating premise: the eradication of war through sensitizing individuals to powerful empathetic connections. Yeah, I know, but what is more intriguing to me is two opposing feelings that I took away from the book. One, I was overwhelmed and utterly convinced of the good in the idea. Two, I felt intensely guilty for witnessing the brainwashing of an entire (albeit fictional) world population. A thought-inspiring story that made up for in ideas what it la ...more
In the year 2043, our world is embroiled in a large-scale war between the Alliance, composed of industrialised Western nations, and the Ngumi, a loose coalition of developing nations without access to the nano-forging technology that contributes to much of the Alliance’s wealth. Our viewpoint into this war comes from Julian Class, a draftee who controls one of the remotely-operated mechanised units called soldierboys, a job that requires an intimate mind-link and cooperative effort with the rest ...more
Διόνυσος Ψευδάνωρ
I thought, and I still think, that Joe Haldeman’s The Forever War, is one of the finest science fiction books ever written, or certainly of those I’ve read. I tend not to research much about authors I’ve first come into contact with so as to be able to approach that author’s writing with little more exposed to me than the author’s writing alone, and so it was an exciting discovery for me after so thoroughly enjoying The Forever War to find that there was a sequel (and I’ve since learned that t ...more
Profundus Librum
A kötet nem közvetlen folytatása a klasszikus első résznek (Mandela közlegény kalandjainak közvetlen folytatását ugyanis a harmadik kötet, az 1999-es Forever Free tartalmazza), és nem is előzménykötet, sőt, még az sem jelenthető ki egyértelműen, hogy ugyanabban az univerzumban játszódik mindkettő. Ez a rész – az író saját szavaival élve – csak új szempontból vizsgálja annak a regénynek egyes kérdéseit.

Igencsak nehéz dolga volt a szerzőnek, mikor az Örök háború sikeréhez felérő folytatást kívánt
Jimmy Corvan
Forever Peace is about as similar to Forever War as a Centrosaurus is to a Pliosaur. Where the latter two are similar, primarily and nearly solely, in that they are reptiles, the former are similar only in that they are books written by Joe Haldeman.

A Pliosaur mostly roams the seas venturing from place to place occasionally stopping to rip apart some unsuspecting...well...anything that's edible, much like Forever War where William Mandella roams open space from place to place occasionally stopp
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Charles Dee Mitchell
For a bookl titled Forever Peace, Joe Haldeman's 1997 novel opens with scenes of impressive mayhem and violence. America is fighting the Ngumi war against African and Latin American forces. We are employng an army of "soldierboys." These exemplars of advanced military technology are a cross between drones and robocops. nearly invincible armored fighters powered by mechanics who are "jacked" together into a cohesive fighting unit but safely ensconced miles away from the action. Not all soldierboy ...more
-De los demonios personales del autor (y algunos de los del género humano).-

Género. Ciencia-Ficción.

Lo que nos cuenta. En un futuro no muy lejano, los Estados Unidos de América (en realidad una alianza del Primer Mundo) libran una guerra en Centroamérica (en realidad libran muchas guerras contra muchos adversarios en muchos lugares del mundo) con medios entre los que destacan los URIC (Unidad Remota de Infantería de Combate), más conocidos como “soldaditos” por sus usuarios, jóvenes que los mane
Dec 31, 2008 Rob rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: People who liked The Forever War.
Though not a sequel to The Forever War, it's similar name and same author force the comparison to be made.

The basic idea of Forever Peace is that implants in people allow them to control military equipment remotely by being jacked in. The controllers can die, so they're not entirely removed. People can also interact with each other while jacked in, and this allows for a deeper connection than is possible through normal interaction: speaking, touching, connecting. The theme is that this deeper co
Eric Gardner
A sequel (not really??) to Forever War, this book is mostly about a new method of perfect mental interface. The army uses it to make mentally connected super soldiers who remotely control a group of kill bots. While mentally joined the soldiers have complete shared awareness, this reminds me of the rogue group in the movie Scanners. When someone in the group is killed it can be mentally devastating to the rest of them. Even the shared emotions of battle are very tough on the group.

Now with this
It starts off slow, even disappointingly so, compared to Forever War. But if you are patient enough, the second half of the book will surprise you and you won't be able to put it away!
This was an incredibly enjoyable book that I read through in just a few short days (well, long days spent reading). With the title of the book, I didn't expect it to jump right into violence and war, but it was definitely the best way to begin the work and give it a narrative and emotional wholeness. The ideas explored in this book were for the most part so fabulous and complete, it was as if these things could really be happening. I'm an avid sci-fi reader, but it's rare that I'm impressed with ...more
David Roberts
I am reviewing the science fiction novel Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman which is a very good novel which I bought from kindle. This novel is a kind of sequel to the Forever War although it contains different characters and it won some major awards. There was a further sequel called Forever Free which did show the further adventures of the characters from The Forever War. This novel starts quite gritty with a war between the USA & Nicaragua where there is a unit if what they call Mechanics who ...more
Andrea Blythe
3.8 stars

Although not a direct sequel to The Forever War, Forever Peace similarly explored war and the impact it has on society and soldiers, although from an entirely different angle. While Forever War explored issues surrounding the Vietnam War through a story of intergalactic war against aliens and space travel, Forever Peace is firmly earth-bound, providing a more modern look at war with explorations of colonization and race relations.

The Alliance clearly represents wealthy white culture wi
Rispetto a Guerra Eterna (del quale questo non è il prequel e nemmeno il sequel, seppur il protagonista, anche qua, è un soldato) Haldeman ci narra ancora una volta di un futuro non troppo lontano dove si vive in guerra continua. Rispetto al suo capolavoro, Guerra Eterna, questo Pace Eterna è molto inferiore, ma non è da buttare. Anche se l'autore, come si suol dire in questi casi, c'ha perso la mano, e ad un certo punto avevo quasi deciso di interromperlo.

Cosa accade in questo romanzo? Siamo n
Fred Hughes
Joe Haldeman books are what I call easy reads. The storys track fairly fast and there is minimal character development, but enough. Haldeman has a potty mouth sometimes which I don't find offensive but younger readers may not appreciate his vivid language.

All his books are entertaining and easily read. There is not too much complicated plot lines so again easy to read.

Luke Burrage
The first half was on course to be a 5 star book, or at least a 4 star book. Then the second half was 1 star material, but due to the extreme disappointment after the great first half, it could even be a zero star stuff.

Averages out to 1.5 stars. I don't think I've ever read anything so uneven and disappointing.

Full review on my podcast, SFBRP episode #239.
Craig Robertson
I am on record here stating The Forever War is one of the best works of science fiction - period. Mr. Haldeman mentions before The Forever Peace (TFP) begins is is not a sequel. Boy-howdy it is not! I tried really really hard not to toss the book angrily into the corner, to keep reading, but TFP's ignominy exceeded my force of will.
First off, the as far as I could endure, TFP was one long Well-you-know-Bob of setting the odd scene. Second, the only potentially likeable character was suicidal. H
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Haldeman is the author of 20 novels and five collections. The Forever War won the Nebula, Hugo and Ditmar Awards for best science fiction novel in 1975. Other notable titles include Camouflage, The Accidental Time Machine and Marsbound as well as the short works "Graves," "Tricentennial" and "The Hemingway Hoax." Starbound is scheduled for a January release. SFWA pres
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