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Quel est le destin d’une ouvrière, ou plutôt comment échapper à son destin quand on est ouvrière ? Le plus simple : le mariage. Encore faut-il choisir avec circonspection son futur époux et se garder des séductions du sexe. L’amante doit apprendre à gérer son corps jeune et attrayant, son seul bien, et ne pas rêver à l’amour idéal des romans-photos. À travers le « bon exem ...more
Paperback, 220 pages
Published July 1st 1995 by Seuil (first published 1975)
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سلمى صلاح
May 09, 2013 سلمى صلاح rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
أولا: أبو أم النسوية يا ستي اللي تعمل كده.. أبو أم النسوية كمان مرة اللي عاملالكوا خرم في دماغكوا..ايه الزفت ده!
الرجالة ناس أشرار مش مهتمين غير بالجنس والسكر، والستات بيعملوا نفسهم بيحبوا عشان يلاقوا بيت يلمهم، ومصيرك مسدود مسدود يا ولدي..
الحاجة الكويسة الوحيدة في الرواية هي تراكيب الجمل، والأسلوب..

ثانيًا: عزيزي المترجم الكبير مصطفى ماهر، اسمها "خرا" وبالفصحى "خراء" ودي كلمة متداولة على فكرة عادي جدًا وكل الناس بتقولها، ومش لازم حضرتك تترجمها "نيلة" كلمة نيلة دي أصلا انقرضت.
كلمة خرا بتضايقك؟ ط
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Stephen Durrant
May 17, 2009 Stephen Durrant rated it really liked it
Can a book get more unrelentingly negative than this? Well, yes, maybe something by Thomas Bernhard, Elfriede Jelinek's fellow Austrian (sorry about the word "fellow" Elfriede). Gosh, on page 159, Jelinek herself says, in jest of course, "One must not describe only negative and ugly things." Negative and ugly is thy name, Ms. Jelinek, at least in this tome. In fact, when these characteristics become so extreme they become almost funny--and in some ways this is a very funny book. Okay, so why fou ...more
M. Sarki
Though compared to Thomas Bernhard I must insist that Elfriede Jelinek is nowhere close to the stature and level of his writing. She is very good and cynical, true, and she writes honestly, but at least in Women as Lovers she has not reached his level of the sentence and rhetoric given within her own misanthropy. I am not sure she has any reverence at all for a human, being they male or female. Her picture of life as an Austrian bodes ill for any it seems. But I will continue to read her work an ...more
Chris
Jul 18, 2011 Chris rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I learned about Elfriede Jelinek because of the film adaptation of her novel The Piano Teacher and because Xiu Xiu used the title of this book ("Women As Lovers") as the title of their most recent album (and drew a fair number of quotes from it for lyrics as well.) The first thing that most people will tell you about Jelinek is that she's a controversial author, and for once, it's not because of bad behavior or personal quirks (not primarily, anyway, though she does suffer from agoraphobia and w ...more
Kris McCracken
In the novel, Jelinek – an Austrian novelist who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2004 (a seemingly controversial choice) – employs an ‘interesting’ style. She avoids capitalisation entirely (including proper nouns). Each sentence is given a paragraph break, regardless of length. Sentences are, for the most part, short.

Complementing (compounding?) the experimental nature of the novel is the fact that the courses of the lives of two women are told against each other. One chapter we are with
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Huy
Mar 15, 2015 Huy rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: nobel
Thiết nghĩ những nhà văn nữ hạng ba rưỡi ở VN mà khoái phát biểu shock về đàn ông, tình dục đồ nên học hỏi Elfriede Jelinek.

Jill
Jan 18, 2013 Jill rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Objectively, this book works -- for what Jelinek is attempting to do, anyway. As a satirical, sometimes darkly funny (and other times brilliantly awkward) examination of certain societal constructs/female 'desires'/females, more generally ----- yes, fine, good. Some really beautiful lines, too -- ones like "love, if at all, like a thunderstorm" (p. 32).


But -- getting to those lines bordered on tedious. The terse, simplistic, non-grammatical style added to the overarching themes of the novel...a
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Pio
Jan 19, 2016 Pio rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: re-read, nobel, favorites
Bà ấy đã mổ xẻ cuộc sống của những con người bình thường theo cách dã man nhất, cười cợt những vòng vèo ngang trái của họ theo cách bất nhã nhất, để rồi người đọc sẽ nhận ra được những mặt trái ẩn giấu phía sau xã hội mà chúng ta ngại ngùng khi nhắc đến. Tôi nghĩ người dân nước Áo ghét bà nhiều hơn thích là vì vậy.
Gilgamesh  Nabeel
Aug 09, 2010 Gilgamesh Nabeel rated it liked it
It was a good novel, Jelinek describes the suffering of women in traditional villages in Austria, I was astonished how they have similar problems and position as in the 3rd world villages. women had no future there neither present, they dreams of a man, poor and ignorant one, that would be able to save them and give them better position, she shows us how they treat women badly: beat her, punish her and rape her. they consider a woman just a body. she talks about 3 examples. Brigitte who got her ...more
Bob
Jun 28, 2012 Bob rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I was briefly put off by the writing style. Sample ...

however paula says, but mother i don't want to, i want to learn dressmaking. and when i've finished learning to be a dressmaker ...

Punctuation above exactly as in the book.

Throughout the book it reads like: "See Spot. See Spot run. ... like a Dick & Jane reader.

Example

an electrician earns quite a good wage.
a woodcutter earns a poor wage.
erich drinks.
heinz drinks only rarely and in moderation.
erich drinks almost everything away.

The st
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Wael Mahmoud
د.مصطفى ماهر مترجم ممتاز ... فقط بجانب عبد الرحمن بدوي و سمير جريس من الممكن أن أقرأ ترجماتهم العربية من اللغة الألمانية.

إلا أنه في ترجمة هذه الرواية قام بجريمة حيث أقام من نفسه رقيبا ... و نحمد الله أن رواية عازفة البيانو سلمت من يديه و ترجمت كاملة بواسطة سمير جريس.

فيما يلي حوار ممتع ما بين د.مصطفى ماهر و سمير جريس حول ترجمة العاشقات
http://ar.qantara.de/%D8%B6%D8%AD%D9%...
Matthew
May 10, 2015 Matthew rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
"Elfriede Jelinek is awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature for her musical flow of voices and counter-voices in novels and plays that with extraordinary linguistic zeal reveal the absurdity of society's clichés and their subjugating power."
- The Nobel Prize Academy


The description on the back cover would have you believe that this is the story of "two factory workers, Brigitte and Paula". To begin with, while the story does follow them as they "dream and talk about finding happiness, a comforta
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Shanmugam
“Marriage in bourgeois life is almost a legalised prostitution”. Elfriede Jelinek took this Karl Marx line and beat it to death as a novel in “Women as Lovers”. The setting is an Alpine village, where the whole living purpose of protagonists Brigitte and Paula is finding a man to secure a socio economical standing.

“Women as Lovers” is not the best of Elfriede Jelinek’s fictions, in fact it is far from being one. Sarcasm is abound in this novel, no one makes a mockery out of absurdities in modern
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Allison Floyd
Aug 07, 2008 Allison Floyd rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: Other foul-natured little beasts
Reading Jelinek is intoxicatingly corrosive, like drinking the bleach and discovering that it tastes like your favorite microbrew. I wasn't able to make it through The Piano Teacher or Wonderful, Wonderful Times. It turns out that this was the book for me. Whereas the previous two were like dense slabs of wasp-studded fruitcake, this was more like a sprightly chiffon cake laced with strychnine. I have a soft spot for books that are deeply sad, yet manage to be funny in a horrible, inappropriate ...more
Lena Chilari
Nov 02, 2015 Lena Chilari rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
,,aveți și voi uter? să sperăm! exemplul lui brigitte ne arată cum ea nu a lăsat să se atrofieze acest important organ feminin la bandă, ci cum prin heinz l-a ridicat la deplina lui valoare de întrebuințare,, frumos-necurat.
Megan
Nov 03, 2007 Megan rated it really liked it
Recommends it for: fans of gertrude stein
brigitte also is repelled by heinz
brigitte is also repelled by heinz

brigitte also is repelled by heinz and his plump white electrician's body, which is also called heinz. despite that she is also happy again, so happy, dead happy, that she has him, because he is her future.


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this book is like a cross between stein and acker but not quite as fascinating to read as either. the repetition gets absurd and the humor is black, very black, but the story is neither exciting nor particularly illuminating
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Moljac
Iako naslov knjige sugeriše na trivijalno štivo, ono tome nije ni blizu. Radi se, naime, o sirovom prikazu svođenja kako materijalnih, tako i duhovnih ljudskih kategorija na puku potrošnu robu. U potrošačkom kapitalističkom društvenom sistemu najviše ispašta žena, kao, uostalom, i u svim prethodnim sistemima. Njeno tijelo se posmatra kao potrošna roba iz muškarčeve vizure, dok doba konzumerizma uslovljava i žene da svoj život, tačnije budući brak kao vrhunaravni domet, planiraju po količini dobi ...more
CD Borden
May 27, 2015 CD Borden rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Women as Lovers is a harsh and bleak portrayal of the lives of two Austrian women. They are named Brigitte & Paula. They live in utter destitution and work their asses off everyday in an underwear factory. They both think that the only way to find true happiness is to marry the one they love. Brigitte loves Heinz, who is ugly, but he has a stable job and, therefore, a better future. Paula loves Erich, who is handsome, but he is a ne'er-do-well drunkard and he beats her up. Brigitte uses sex ...more
Krishna Avendaño
It could be said that Lyotard uses the term ‘textual neocultural theory’ to denote a subpatriarchial paradox. If Marxist class holds, we have to choose between textual neocultural theory and semioticist feminism. Thus, the premise of the deconstructivist paradigm of discourse implies that truth is unattainable, but only if Marxist class is valid; otherwise, Foucault’s model of neocapitalist feminism is one of “the materialist paradigm of consensus”, and thus part of the dialectic of narrativity. ...more
أميــــرة
مشكلتي مع رواية مترجمة كرهتها أنني لا أعرف سبب استيائي منها على وجه التحديد؛ هل يرجع إلى الرواية ذاتها أم ضعف الترجمة. هي معضلة لم أجد لها حلًا إلى الآن.

أثارت (العاشقات) استيائي للسببين معًا.


لقد أضرّت العاشقات بمفهوم النسوية، السيئ السمعة أصلًا. صدمني أن أجد أن حال المرأة النمساوية، ذات المستوى الاجتماعي المنخفض، لا يختلف كثيرًا عن مثيلتها المصرية أو حتى العربية من حيث الظلم الواقع عليها، واعتبار المجتمع لها وعاءًا لتفريغ شهوات الرجال، وسلبْها جميع حقوقها الإنسانية.
ولكي ترينا إلفريدة، الحائزة ع
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Rachel Beaver
Mar 24, 2012 Rachel Beaver rated it did not like it
Shelves: foreign
At page 52: VERY repetitive. The "must get good husband" mentality makes me sick. Authors that don't use capitals, or proper punctuation, I find egotistical & have no patience - unless there is a point to it, why do it?! They cannot rewrite the English language purely to make their book a little different. Hating it. As with every book I read, I will stick it out to the end - hoping for redemption!
****
On completion: Unnecessarily repetitive, incredibly boring style of writing. No point to th
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د.حنان فاروق
ظن أن ماقرأته بين دفتي تلك الرواية هو محض جنون لكنه جنون من نوع خاص..جنون مبدع...في البداية أحسست أنها تجسد الشخصيات وتتلبسها..تحكيها من الداخل ومن الخارج بكل صراعاتها وبكل الذي تعانيه والذي عليها أن تعانيه لكن بعد عدة صفحات تحول إحساسي لمشاهدة تتابع مباراة على قدر عظيم من الأهمية لا تعرف مصير المتبارين فيها كل الذي تعرفه أنها أصبحت هي نفسها رغم أنها متابعة جزءً من هذا الصراع على الفوز بما لايستطيع أحد التكهن به...هي طيلة الوقت تكرر الجمل والكلمات وأحياناً تعزف وتغني لحناً شعبياً تخلق تنويعاتها ...more
Dhandayutha
Jun 12, 2013 Dhandayutha rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2013
jelinek is a ruthless writer , a slayer of any kind of emotion,values,relationship.she reduces every significance to trivial,the trivial to better trivial.so she stages the absurd significance of human emotions,desires,love into trivial turns them to a kind a pornography.her basic quest may be what it means to be woman?she negates all the values,even negates the value of having any value.is it not erika meant when she commanded klemmer to rape her?unlike pianoteacher this novel is neither intens ...more
Daniela
Feb 08, 2016 Daniela rated it it was amazing
"Women as lovers: A chilling and truthful vision of women's precarious position in a society still dominated by money and men'" Kirkus Reviews

this is a difficult book.
this is a masterfully written book.
this is a depressing book.
this is a very important book.
Mariam elgilany
Aug 25, 2014 Mariam elgilany rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
الرواية مفهاش احداث !!!!
الحاجة الوحيدة الي عرفتها ان الريف في النمسا زي اي بلد شرقي
مفيش حاجة اقولها لان مفيش احداث
Aaron Gallardo
Apr 17, 2015 Aaron Gallardo rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Oh, la ironía y el humor negro. Esta novela -que son más bien episodios, fogonazos de tortura- está hecha de ellos. Las amantes es el cruel y lúcido desgranamiento de las mujeres occidentales (la urbe no es obstáculo), con un narrador cuya ira e inconformidad con sus personajes se palpan. Como tercermundista, he sentido cada palabra como un dardo lanzado con malévola puntería:

«ahora que ya hemos odiado a madre porque ha podido hacer las pulcras tareas domésticas mientras nosotros tenemos que ha
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Gilgamesh Nabeel
It was a good novel, Jelinek describes the suffering of women in traditional villages in Austria, I was astonished how they have similar problems and position as in the 3rd world villages. women had no future there neither present, they dreams of a man, poor and ignorant one, that would be able to save them and give them better position, she shows us how they treat women badly: beat her, punish her and rape her. they consider a woman just a body. she talks about 3 examples. Brigitte who got her ...more
Marina
Hate, hate, hate....hate...and I think there was something more....oh yes, some more hate!!
Hate against women, against men, against family, mariage, maternity, against social preconceptions, against basically any kind of human relationship. Everything is destroyed and torn apart, everything is meaningless, life is meaningless and a mere function of luck! The human being (be it woman or man) is striped in the most raw and straightforward manner to the rotten, vulgar, petty core that it is. And i
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Magdy Samy
الرواية نغسها 3 نجوم بس لازم نجمة تتشال علشان المترجم كان مؤدب فشخ
Thy Ngân
Feb 22, 2015 Thy Ngân rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
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Thực ra thì thấy hay dữ lắm, nhưng mà vẫn chưa muốn chấp nhận một hiện thực bị lột trần rồi quăng vào mặt. :(
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Elfriede Jelinek (German: [ɛlˈfʀiːdə ˈjɛlinɛk]; born 20 October 1946) is an Austrian playwright and novelist. She was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2004 for her "musical flow of voices and counter-voices in novels and plays that, with extraordinary linguistic zeal, reveal the absurdity of society's clichés and their subjugating power."

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“you have often seen in the cinema, erich, haven't you, that between extraordinary people extraordinary things like for example extraordinary love can arise. so we only have to be extraordinary and see what happens.” 6 likes
“perfectly happy momma goes out into the fields. she eavesdrops on herself, in case somewhere deep inside a melody rings out or a blackbird sings, but all that she hears, is only the cancer, which saws and eats away at her.” 5 likes
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