The Darkness That Comes Before (The Prince of Nothing, #1)
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The Darkness That Comes Before (The Prince of Nothing #1)

3.74 of 5 stars 3.74  ·  rating details  ·  8,268 ratings  ·  436 reviews
Strikingly original in its conception, ambitious in scope, with characters engrossingly and vividly drawn, the first book in R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing series creates a remarkable world from whole cloth-its language and classes of people, its cities, religions, mysteries, taboos, and rituals-the kind of all-embracing universe Tolkien and Herbert created unforgetta...more
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Published May 31st 2005 by Overlook TP (first published April 15th 2003)
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Justin Evans
Ha! I love the reviews for this book. If you're older than 14, and have ever read anything the cover of which does *not* feature embossed gold lettering and a fire-breathing dragon Goddess, you love it. People who don't understand the 'show' vs 'tell' distinction but use it anyway, people who have the vocabulary of a 12 year old, and people who are unwilling to put in any effort whatsoever hate it. I don't read much fantasy, just because I can't take much description in prose, let alone the stil...more
Mark Lawrence
Found this in the parents' room at the hospital.

So I've seen a lot of Bakker-talk online and you'd think to read it that the man was either the devil incarnate or a seven-fold genius come to show the true way. A phrase I'm used to hearing is 'marmite book', another is 'you'll either love it or hate it - there's no in between'. All as much bollocks here of course as when applied to my own work. A simple click of the ratings button shows a vast number of in betweens. In fact most people are in bet...more
Elspeth
I never finished this book, actually I never finished the first chapter.

I couldn't read this book it was like the author grabbed a thesaurus and picked out vocabulary that would have even made Jerome Shostak have to look it up!
It made me hate the author...it felt arrogant, high handed and pissed me off.

*shivers*
Heinleinfan
This was a disappointment. I generally like epic fantasy, but this author is convinced that having absolutely no exposition is perfectly okay when creating a world. It's not. If there are 8 different countries and nationalities, a few nobles, a few peasants, 12 different factions within each nationality, 5 different schools of magic, 3 different major religious beliefs, some humans, some not humans (maybe?) and all these things are named with the most un-familiar sounding tripe names you can ima...more
Paul Stotts
There are very few books that are as ambitious as R. Scott Bakker's "The Darkness That Comes Before". Most authors would never attempt to create such a vast world with a deeply encompassing and vital intellectual history, and disparate races that have varying philosophical viewpoints and ways of perceiving the world. This novel, while a putative fantasy, is so remarkably well-conceived and executed that it feels more like a historical recollection of a lost world. In fact, Bakker liberally uses...more
Harold Ogle
Its jacket covered with hyperbolic praise, this book intrigued me enough that I borrowed it from our local library. Reviewers compare it, ecstatically, to both the Song of Ice and Fire and the Lord of the Rings, though in some measure surpassing both of them. Well, comparisons to LotR are de rigeur for any fantasy novel wanting to be taken seriously. But why compare this to GRR Martin's series? For the first hundred pages, the comparison seems nonsensical. But then it starts to make a twisted se...more
Curtis
This trilogy is really crazy interesting. My friends and I have a category of literature that I enjoy, basically calling it "Lit grad student masturbation" (e.g. Cloud Atlas, Infinte Jest). Although it's mainly used in the perjorative, it also describes incredibly accurately the writing style, very heady, involved, and vocab intense.

This is the first time I've encountered Philosophy grad student automanipulation, and it's enthralling, especially in the fantasy genre, where various philisophical...more
KJ
I can't decide how I feel about this book. Well-written, engaging characters, a fantasy world with enough differences from the norm that I felt like I was discovering something new and interesting. I picked it up from the shelf in the bookstore because the recommendation card said "Fans of George R.R. Martin and Guy Gavriel Kay will love it!", and I certainly see where they're coming from with that. This is the first book in a (complete! hooray!) trilogy, and I'm sufficiently engaged that I'm wo...more
St-Michel
After reading up on this series, I had really high hopes going into it - looking for something that would really revolutionize the fantasy genre. Boy, was I ever disappointed...and I mean really disappointed.

The book started off great, which lead me to believe that it was truly going to live up to the reviews I've read. Well, as soon as the introduction came to a close, this thing just began to droll on and on at such a tediously slow pace. This book just bored the hell out of me. It seemed to f...more
Terry
3.5 stars

After finishing The White Luck Warrior, the most recent volume in R. Scott Bakker’s fantasy novels set in the world of Eärwa, and realizing that I had many months to wait for the next book, and somehow feeling like I didn’t yet want to leave this dark and twisted world I decided to go back to the first series and give it a re-read. Eärwa is an interesting secondary world: one in which the metaphysics of its religions are objectively true, as are the consequences of not adhering to thei...more
Belen Schneider
This review is more of an overall primer to the series, and less of a book-specific review. - but I feel like some folks might need a little initial encouragement :)

I've read a fair amount of fantasy fiction, and what I find most compelling in a book is strong character development and witty banter. This book took everything I had to get through the first 4-5 chapters...but it was well worth the tenacity.

Why was it such a slow start for me? Bakker has obviously put an enormous amount of effort i...more
Book Bandit
Patience grasshopper, patience...

To those who are considering reading this book: I would recommend this read; however, you will need to be patient. Well written (language wise), intricate and clever, you can not deny the effort and care put forth by Mr. Bakker. With that said,the story is slow to get going and there is a delayed satisfaction at play. I note this because of the many frustrated (and low # star) reviews I had seen when contemplating whether to begin this trilogy or not. The first 5...more
Michael
This is a very difficult book to begin reading. The first one hundred pages or so are filled with so many characters and plots and the setting up of a whole fantasy world that your brain swims in all of these details while trying to keep them together. The determined reader will be richly rewarded though by continuing through hundreds of pages over Bakker's next two books in the trilogy. I am completely at awe with his masterful interjection of philosophy, keen insights into human pysche and the...more
Katie
Ugh. I really wanted to like this book. I'm pretty much the target audience for this - I like my fantasy books on the more serious side, I like them to have a fixation with history, and I like them to be pretty detailed in their development. And since I study medieval history, I got to pick out all the allusions to the real Crusades. But I can't say I'd really recommend it - for all its good attributes it winds up getting a bit too caught up in trying to maintain its own self-importance for it t...more
David Clark
The first in a massively epic fantasy series based strongly on the Crusades and rooted in philosophical discourse and concept. This book is about the size of Jordan's Wheel of Time or Goodkind's horrid Wizard's First Rule, but it's actually good. A little slow to really start moving, but the world is so originally constructed and richly detailed, and the writing is such a relief (not brilliant but certainly very good) that the starting speed can be forgiven. There are many "main" characters and...more
Artemas
How should I review this book? Let me start by addressing those who reviewed this book and thought the author was Tyranothesaurus Rex with his use of arrogant sounding vocabulary words. I saw many people complain about this and I’m really puzzled because the only words I didn’t understand were the ones he created for the different sects/organizations/cults/whatevers. Are you people mad that Tolkien said Lothlorien instead of London? Bakker does not abuse his thesaurus at all. That being said, th...more
Sahil
Dark, powerful, and an excellent beginning to what I hope (and kind of expect)will be an excellent series.

The combination of philosophy and fantasy allows a breakthrough into a new dimension of both that allows a much deeper immersion into the book than with any traditional fantasy novel.

Although Achamian is the protagonist of the novel, one cannot help but be drawn to many of the other characters. Esmenet, for example, shows tremendous wisdom but is helpless because of her situations, fabricate...more
Michael
For a long time I wasn't very interested in the genre of fantasy. From the little I'd read, most of it recommended by those who claimed to know the genre well, I'd decided that fantasy was basically a very, very long blowjob for a man named J. R. R. Tolkien. I found that most of what I'd read-- such as Robert Jordan, David Eddings, and Dragonlance books-- were unoriginal and long-winded cliche-fests with little unique to distinguish them. It is because of books like these that I honestly thought...more
Christy Ford
I really wanted to like this book. Some of the descriptive writing is well beyond what you normally see in this genre, and the character and backstory of Kelhus is fascinating.

Unfortunately, it just didn't work for me. The biggest fault is the characters just aren't likeable. Kelhus and Cnaiur are at least interesting, even if they aren't sympathetic. The rest of the cast, which gets more of the camera time anyway, is worse.

It reads slowly, and while it hints at intriguing long-range themes, the...more
Matthew
The story is interesting enough so far. The writing is merely competent; it keeps the story going, and that's about it.

I am abandoning this series. The writing is all tell and little show. I appreciate that Bakker has developed, or perhaps over-developed, a huge backstory to all of this, but instead of allowing it to seep up into the triology, he bombards you with it from page one. Just flip through this book and look at how many proper nouns there are on each page. It is absurd. None of the inf...more
agata
At its core 'The darkness that comes before' is a study in human psychology. Every character is basicaly a psychological question. Every major event a stage for additional exploration, a new set of cues to examine development and behaviour. And the fantasy world itself serves to expand the field of examination and the scope of possible answers.

Don't get me wrong. There is also a fascinating tale, an interesting world with lots of details, passion and turmoil. But it's the psychological setup tha...more
Chris
I didn't really "read" this one, as I couldn't finish it. It seemed like a good book, I even read a few pages thoroughout before I brought the thing. I should have seen this coming, but the section I read was interesting. Next time, I start fromt the beginning.

The characters are flat, unengaging, and sound alike. Even the women sound like the men. There is no real clear to what some of the characters look like. The world is filled with large words, there is no clue how to pronounce them. It feel...more
Althea Ann
2/13 - I'm currently on page 216 and it doesn't seem to be "getting better" yet. It's not the verbosity that's bothering me, it's the utter lack of characterization, combined with the lack of visuals. I feel like I can neither 'see' nor 'know' any of these characters. They're simply ciphers moving about. Not only that - this is not one of my usual things to complain about, but out of a Cast Of Thousands, literally 3 women have appeared 'on-screen.' Two are literally whores, and the third is a ha...more
Onefinemess
by: R. Scott Bakker

Reading this book was like reading with a stone around my neck. It was heavy. Depressing. I just wanted to be done with it.

The world is kind of interesting... but so far devoid of anything "good" in the classical (or even a more modern) sense. Everyone is bad people, more or less. Although one is amoral and another supposed to be somewhat sympathetic. But UGH. So much filth.

And all the women are whores (by trade). Seriously. Ugh.

I'm not sure if I'll continue with this series o...more
Laura Mcnamara
I can easily see why readers - particularly intelligent female readers - hate Bakker's work. The books are brilliantly ornate, but also maddeningly overwrought, and the female characters are disappointing.

I picked up The Prince of Nothing after reading an article suggesting it was a good choice for us impatient George RR Martin fans. Bakker's world is easily as complex, but it's nothing like Martin's. For one thing, his narrative doesn't have that freewheeling, earthy raunchiness and humor that...more
Ethan
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Gabriel
I've been looking for more challenging, intelligent works within the fantasy genre. I'd heard that this book may be just such a work, so I was very excited to read it. However, my excitement soon flagged, and I finally gave up on the book half way through. The reviews of the book promised a philosophy heavy, intelligent novel. However, the philosophy present is not really integrated into the story, at least not through most of the book. It is merely used in the world building, then relegated to...more
Terence
May 25, 2009 Terence rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition Recommends it for: Fans of epic fantasy
Shelves: sf-fantasy
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Pierre
Horrid writing...I was totally confused reading the first chapter. When I pick up a novel for the first time, please, for the love of Bob, start slowly, describe the main character and the setting. Trying to let the characters name and making vague references to a the Apocalypse is so vague as to be unhelpful. Not to mention, the prose was so hackneyed and trite that I had difficulty reading it.
Martin Davey
It took me a long time to get into this book, I kept starting to read it and then finding something else to do and putting it aside for a week here, a week there. But the book kept calling to me: the beautiful cover, the great reviews, and once I got into the story I devoured it.

When I hear about the 'new wave' of fantasy writers, I never think R Scott Bakker gets the credit he should, always people talk about GRRM, Brandon Sanderson, Steven Errikson, but really what Bakker started here in many...more
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Richard Scott Bakker, who writes as R. Scott Bakker and as Scott Bakker, is a novelist whose work is dominated by a large series informally known as the The Second Apocalypse which Bakker began developing whilst as college in the 1980s. The series was originally planned to be a trilogy, with the first two books entitled The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect-Emperor. However, when Bakker began writi...more
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“Faith is the truth of passion. Since no passion is more true than another, faith is the truth of nothing.” 48 likes
“The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before?” 40 likes
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