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published
December 5th 2003
by Tor Books
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Paperback, 208 pages
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literary awards
2004 Locus Awards Winner (First Novel)
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076530953X
(isbn13: 9780765309532)
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Acclaimed by science fiction writers like Bruce Sterling and Rudy Rucker, and by eminent futurists and digital visionaries like Howard Rheingold, Mitc...more
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One of the many complaints I hear about Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is that it is "shallow." Readers see a shallowness in character, a shallowness in the work they choose, a shallowness in story depth, and a shallowness in the story's morality.
I don't see it myself.
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom may seem shallow, but there is a great deal of depth to be found if one approaches the book with a willingness to overcome the prejudices and ...more
I don't see it myself.
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom may seem shallow, but there is a great deal of depth to be found if one approaches the book with a willingness to overcome the prejudices and ...more
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Read in August, 2008
Cory Doctorow's novella spins a tale set in the "Bitchun society" - a time in the future where death has been cured and money has been replaced by a system of respect/popularity points that's immediately accessible since everyone somehow has the internet in their heads now.
The "Magic Kingdom" referenced in the title is THE Magic Kingdom - the story takes place in Disney World, which has taken on an elevated importance in a world where people no longer have jobs or...more
The "Magic Kingdom" referenced in the title is THE Magic Kingdom - the story takes place in Disney World, which has taken on an elevated importance in a world where people no longer have jobs or...more
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Read in August, 2008
In Cory Doctorow's Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, times sure seem to have changed from today. Something called "Free Energy" has basically eliminated scarcity, while the ability to make computer backups of the self and download them into cloned bodies has eliminated death (and, for that matter, revolutionized medicine, since all defects can be fixed by downloading to a new body). Without scarcity, both work and money have become more or less obsolete, and been replaced by Whuffie, ...more
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Read in January, 2009
A posthuman novel set at Disney World? Wow, this book was written for me! It's been about a century or so since a cure for death and the end of scarcity, and backups of people are downloaded into clones if they die. The narrator Julius works at Walt Disney World as part of an ad-hoc committee that controls Liberty Square. The Disney cast actually makes their own management decisions! Woohoo, no hierarchy in the Disney workplace. Maybe that only excites me because I used to work there and f...more
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Read in October, 2007
(The much longer full review can be found at the Chicago Center for Literature and Photography [cclapcenter.com].)
Okay, so it's finally time; time for me to finally make my way through the complete works of cutting-edge science-fiction author Cory Doctorow. After all, he's one of the four editors of my favorite website of all time, the profoundly unique pop-culture journal Boing Boing; and Doctorow's also a big champion of the exact political issues CCLaP cares about as well, includi...more
Okay, so it's finally time; time for me to finally make my way through the complete works of cutting-edge science-fiction author Cory Doctorow. After all, he's one of the four editors of my favorite website of all time, the profoundly unique pop-culture journal Boing Boing; and Doctorow's also a big champion of the exact political issues CCLaP cares about as well, includi...more
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Read in December, 2007
Messy, unfocused. Characters are poorly-formed and unlikeable. Doctorow starts out with several intriguing conceits -- eternal life though computer-style backups and clones, the evolution of themed environments, hard currency replaced by popular esteem -- but he can't decide which one he finds most intriguing, and he even loses those prime notions a few times through needless tangents.
Doctorow obviously loves the cyberpunk novels of Neal Stephenson (which are themselves a tangle of i...more
Doctorow obviously loves the cyberpunk novels of Neal Stephenson (which are themselves a tangle of i...more
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Read in November, 2007
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Bookclubs; Utopians/Dystopians; Anyone who actually believes the Singularity is Near....
Here we are, living and dying (again) in Orange County, FLA.
Thought provoking cocktail party fodder. I disliked Doctorow’s mitten-fisted writing, banal hippie-dippy characters (Beatles references included); however, the points I found interesting don’t concern the people as much as the technology.
Don't bother to savor the words. Read it quickly for the premise, then debate the promise of "TomorrowLand."
Essentially a problematic book that I dislik...more
Thought provoking cocktail party fodder. I disliked Doctorow’s mitten-fisted writing, banal hippie-dippy characters (Beatles references included); however, the points I found interesting don’t concern the people as much as the technology.
Don't bother to savor the words. Read it quickly for the premise, then debate the promise of "TomorrowLand."
Essentially a problematic book that I dislik...more
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Read in January, 2008
I'm torn when it comes to Cory Doctorow. In one sense, I am totally into the fact that the guy is obviously a student of 80's cyberpunk and computer technology in general. However, when I read this book, something didn't seem right about the whole thing. The best analogy I can come up with is working hard all day and thinking about eating steak for dinner, but then coming home to find out that you're getting a McDonald's cheeseburger. The technology and the ideas are there, but the story did not...more
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Read in July, 2008
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As a native Southern Californian who has been to Disneyland a minimum of once per year since before birth, how could I pass up a book that combines science fiction with Disney?
I was really torn between giving this three stars or four. It scores high for creativity. It's got a very tight plot and some interesting ideas. It takes place at Disney World's Magic Kingdom. I've been there once, but it's so much like Disneyland that all the ride references made sense even if the geogra...more
I was really torn between giving this three stars or four. It scores high for creativity. It's got a very tight plot and some interesting ideas. It takes place at Disney World's Magic Kingdom. I've been there once, but it's so much like Disneyland that all the ride references made sense even if the geogra...more
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Read in March, 2008
What I enjoyed about this book was the fascinating picture of the future. Apparently in the future, there has been a cure for death, and people can be altered to look any age. Their brains are also like computers, where memory needs to be backed up in case of death so the body can be regenerated. Also, brain/computers are interlinked on a type of network, so someone can mentally “call” someone else’s brain to talk. I really liked reading about the setting of the story, but sadly, the story...more
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In a lot of science fiction, plot and characters are merely vehicles for the author's vision of his world. Philip K. Dick is not remembered for his creation of Bob Arctor, for instance, but for his postulation of a existence where identity is as fluid and changeable as the clothes you wear.
Cory Doctorow's world in the Magic Kingdom made a lasting impression on me, though i remember his characters less than his world. This is not to say that plot or characters are weak in any way, bu...more
Cory Doctorow's world in the Magic Kingdom made a lasting impression on me, though i remember his characters less than his world. This is not to say that plot or characters are weak in any way, bu...more
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In the future, when we have cured damn near every disease and licked practically every problem society has thrown our way, the only battles worth fighting are fought over our culture: do we preserve it, reminding future generation that some things are worth holding on to, or do we plow ahead, looking only to the future? Those are some of the questions this book asks, when a handful of groups fight a cold war against each other over the future of Disneyland.
The book is also damn funn...more
The book is also damn funn...more
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Another gimmick that is fun for a chapter. The central theme that it is a society which pays you with digital social rating you can spend rather then money is unique, but it is this very concept that create the most blatant holes in the story. What makes it so special is what somewhat destroys the story simultaneously.
One thing going for it is that is visual treat. If you’re a fan of Disneyland or other theme parks, I think you will appreciate the comedy and behind the scenes an...more
One thing going for it is that is visual treat. If you’re a fan of Disneyland or other theme parks, I think you will appreciate the comedy and behind the scenes an...more
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Read in December, 2007
A fun, short read with some wacky ideas that tie together some sci-fi/cyberpunk elements with the "magic" of Disney World. The author does a nice job of meshing together these ideas with his storyline and characters, giving way to a nice, fast pace in reading.
Unfortunately, the cool "whizzbang" technology that he dishes out runs a little dry and unfinished after 1/4 of the book. It's mostly due to the author trying cram in so many other themes as well (immortality, liv...more
Unfortunately, the cool "whizzbang" technology that he dishes out runs a little dry and unfinished after 1/4 of the book. It's mostly due to the author trying cram in so many other themes as well (immortality, liv...more
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Read in November, 2008
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow is set in Walt Disney World and in the future. In this future, technology has advanced dramatically. People have computers and phones in their heads, and can access all kinds of information with a thought. No one dies anymore; much like today’s computer hard drives, a person’s conciousness is backed up, ready to be downloaded into a clone whenever needed. People can go into suspended animation (”deadheading”) and sleep for years, then be...more
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Read in June, 2009
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I didn't dislike this book, per se. I liked the conceit, and I'd be interested in reading more stories that take place within this version of the future. But I didn't find the plot (or the characters, for that matter) to be particularly engaging.
I mean, here is the notion raised by the book: "In the future, if everything is easy and we all live forever, doesn't that take some of the fun out of it?" Really? That's all you got for me, Doctorow? That's some kindergarten ...more
I mean, here is the notion raised by the book: "In the future, if everything is easy and we all live forever, doesn't that take some of the fun out of it?" Really? That's all you got for me, Doctorow? That's some kindergarten ...more
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Read in April, 2009
It's crazy how this book predated facebook and twitter. Very prescient how everyones social worth is dependent on "whuffie" (or online ticks of approval from people you interact with). This novel focuses on a microcosm of this post-human future after death is cured and somehow sustainability is found, and of course the best place to focus on "whuffie" and society is a theme park, the theme park: Disney World. A war over ride preservation and ride improvements is about to ...more
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I enjoyed reading D&OITMK, however it was not as 'hard' as I generally like my sci-fi. It was interesting to see the changes to society that the end of scarcity economics and personal death may bring, but I never got a good feel for how we had transcended scarcity. I would have been satisfied if there had even been some token throwaway line like 'ever since we harnessed magnetic monopoles back in 2015, everyone had all the energy they could use'. Alas, there was no such explanation.
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Read in May, 2009
I've made the argument so many times that when it comes to art, content is more important than form. This is especially true for the Photoshop generation, where virtual aesthetic perfection is accessible at the click of a mouse. However, this book shows that content can't always be king - even strong ideas need an attractive presentation. And that is where this book fails.
I read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom online, which definitely contributed to my impression that this was mo...more
I read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom online, which definitely contributed to my impression that this was mo...more
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Read in February, 2007
I've mixed feelings about this book. On the one hand, I love some of the ideas, most obviously "Whuffie," the quantified amount of respect everyone uses as a sort of currency. It reads like good, old fashioned sf, but I don't much *like* old sf. The main problem was that I just plain disliked all of the main characters.
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"It's good versus evil, Dan. You don't want to be a post-person. You want to stay human. The rides are human. We each mediate them through our own experience. We're physically inside of them, and they talk to us through our senses. What Debra's people are building--it's hive-mind [stuff:]. Directly implanting thoughts! Jesus! It's not an experience, it's brainwashing!"
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