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CivilWarLand in Bad Decline
Six short stories and a novella. Set in a dystopian near-future in which America has become little more than a theme park in terminal disrepair, they constitute a searching and bitterly humorous commentary on the current state of the American Dream.
Funny, sad, bleak, weird, toxic - the future of America as the Free Market runs rampant,the environment skids into disarray, a...more
Funny, sad, bleak, weird, toxic - the future of America as the Free Market runs rampant,the environment skids into disarray, a...more
Paperback, 179 pages
Published
February 6th 1997
by Vintage
(first published 1996)
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s.penkevich
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‘What a degraded cosmos.’
We live in a world where cruelty towards others is becoming more and more accepted – how easy we rationalize our self-righteous anger against someone who cut us off, brought us an undercooked meal, said something stupid, etc., and even seen as funny. Saunders, like the ghost of Christmas future, would like to show us where that is leading us. Civilwarland In Bad Decline, his first collection of stories, paints a grim portrait of a near-future filled with everything from...more
We live in a world where cruelty towards others is becoming more and more accepted – how easy we rationalize our self-righteous anger against someone who cut us off, brought us an undercooked meal, said something stupid, etc., and even seen as funny. Saunders, like the ghost of Christmas future, would like to show us where that is leading us. Civilwarland In Bad Decline, his first collection of stories, paints a grim portrait of a near-future filled with everything from...more
March 2011

[Photo of a young man with a protest sign standing in front of the Wisconsin State Capitol building. His sign reads "WA WA WALKER, HAVE YOU ANY SOUL? NO SIR, NO SIR, IT'S BEEN SOLD"]
The past four weeks have been...kinda crazy, to say the least. Surely you've been following the news: Back in February, Scott Walker,shameless corporate whore Governor of Wisconsin, announced that he had depleted the budget by handing out tax breaks to corporations the state was broke and he was going to...more

[Photo of a young man with a protest sign standing in front of the Wisconsin State Capitol building. His sign reads "WA WA WALKER, HAVE YOU ANY SOUL? NO SIR, NO SIR, IT'S BEEN SOLD"]
The past four weeks have been...kinda crazy, to say the least. Surely you've been following the news: Back in February, Scott Walker,
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Man, this little guy...I can't fault it a single sentence. Every story in this tiny collection made me want to high-five the author with one hand and cradle my hanging head in the other. Maybe I was a bit hard on his later Pastoralia because I needed to warm up to Saunders, maybe my head was just in the right space this time around, or perhaps this really is the superior group of stories. Whatever magical trippydippy cosmos aligning parade of "f*ck yeah" was going on, I dug the expletive deleted...more
The past couple of months, two activities have dominated my leisure time: reading and watching NBA hoops. After reading CivilWarLand in Bad Decline, I was reminded of a hoops argument that I think should carry over to modern literature as well. The argument has to deal with the unceasing quest for the so-called next Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan was the transcendent athlete, if not public figure, of my childhood. There are a generation of kids who still drink Gatorade, buy Nikes, and wear Hanes...more
Michael Jordan was the transcendent athlete, if not public figure, of my childhood. There are a generation of kids who still drink Gatorade, buy Nikes, and wear Hanes...more
Based on the near perfection George Saunders reached with Pastoralia, I experienced no hesitation when I placed him on my favorite writers list. I couldn't wait to read more from him. This is why I feel terrible for not really enjoying most of Civilwarland; though, I have a favorite piece in this collection "the 400-Pound CEO," which struck a few chords with me.
I don't know if I'm eloquent or educated enough to explain why I couldn't get into most of the stories, but I felt in some sense Saunde...more
I don't know if I'm eloquent or educated enough to explain why I couldn't get into most of the stories, but I felt in some sense Saunde...more
I can’t help but feel like a jackass for coming to the game so late. It has been over ten years since Civilwarland in Bad Decline was first published and introduced George Saunders to the literary world. As a guy who is constantly pounding the table about the value of short stories, I look a bit o’ the fool for having not read and known the value of Saunders’ debut collection. What a way to kick in the doors and make an entrance into the literary world.
Saunders is amazingly comfortable in his ow...more
Saunders is amazingly comfortable in his ow...more
out-there, surreal, touching...loved it. what really made me want to read the book was this answer he gave in an interview, regarding his vision and why he writes what he writes:
"...I think at the very last minute of the world, after we've global-warmed ourselves, and it's 400 degrees and only the elite can live in these little refrigerators with plasma TVs, the people who are burning to death outside are gonna kind of be reaching for the hand of the person next to them or having a memory of chi...more
"...I think at the very last minute of the world, after we've global-warmed ourselves, and it's 400 degrees and only the elite can live in these little refrigerators with plasma TVs, the people who are burning to death outside are gonna kind of be reaching for the hand of the person next to them or having a memory of chi...more
I read an interview with Saunders in the Believer and saw him at Powell's and damnit if it wasn't about time that I read a little Saunders. So I read a little Saunders and loved a little Saunders. Stories so brisk you need goggles and a helmet. Most are tragicomedy, but one story in particular, "Isabelle", utterly devastated me over the course of 7 pages. Amazing. His style is infectious, too. I read an interview recently with Amy Hempel who said that she could always tell when her students were...more
Saunders favors fictional theme park/museums for settings. These absurd, run-down, and improbable places satirize the myths and reality of the United States while affording the author a way to utilize what is basically fantasy/science fiction without being rated as a genre writer. Even the stories set in nominally real places are like theme parks--the drug war infested urban setting, for example.
These nearly succeed. I found myself nodding unconsciously as I read and matched up symbols with real...more
These nearly succeed. I found myself nodding unconsciously as I read and matched up symbols with real...more
Liked! A lot! Would read again! Was the clear predecessor to 10th of December, which I liked more, so reading them in reverse order probably did this one a disservice. But big ups, similar themes, etc. I find interesting that in the two George Saunders books I've read now, he really unpacks this theme of being a straight married dude with kids and a wife whose central anxiety is about how he hates his job, but needs to be a provider. I find this actually pretty compelling, the way he presents it...more
This is a very hard book to describe. I found it really compelling and hard to put down, but Saunders' view of the world is so desolate and harrowing that I came away emotionally sandblasted. I think that was part of the intended effect, and I don't mean it as a criticism.
The protagonists in Saunders' stories are mostly helpless and adrift in a world that's been trashed and pillaged by twenty-first century capitalism and then recreated by canny, cynical entrepreneurs as a heritage experience. Ci...more
The protagonists in Saunders' stories are mostly helpless and adrift in a world that's been trashed and pillaged by twenty-first century capitalism and then recreated by canny, cynical entrepreneurs as a heritage experience. Ci...more
With George Saunders receiving so much positive press these days, I decided to try CivilWarLand in Bad Decline. Now having read the short story collection, I can understand the acclaim. The stories are imaginative, distinctive, unusual, full of bizarre characters inhabiting bizarre worlds. Those characters are more weird circus freaks than everyday neighbors, and those worlds are theme parks you've never visited before. Throughout it all, the tone is an odd mix of resignation, hostility, and off...more
The absurdity of these future Americas created in each of Saunders' six short stories and a novella is not for the faint of heart. On the surface they pull you in, satisfying that same curiosity that, for example, glues people to the screen to "reality" shows that seem to show a warped version of life that can only be fabricated for purposes of entertainment. Fabricated, that is, until you inspect a little more closely Saunders' ever present societal structures, casually communicated by each nar...more
If you buy this book just to read the short story "Isabelle," you'll get your money's worth. Ironically, it's the story that's most unlike the others. The stories are not directly related, but they're all set in some post-war, post-epidemic America where the population is divided into "Normals" and various kinds of down and out others. There are a lot of theme parks and a dizzying array of Proper Names for positions and places and actions that lend a militaristic feel to everything being discuss...more
(Reprinted from the Chicago Center for Literature and Photography [cclapcenter.com]. I am the original author of this essay, as well as the owner of CCLaP; it is not being reprinted illegally.)
I had the pleasure of getting to talk with legendary author George Saunders for CCLaP's podcast last week, a rare treat given how in demand he is on this latest tour even among the major media; but that meant I had to do some serious cramming in the few weeks leading up to our talk, in that (I guiltily con...more
I had the pleasure of getting to talk with legendary author George Saunders for CCLaP's podcast last week, a rare treat given how in demand he is on this latest tour even among the major media; but that meant I had to do some serious cramming in the few weeks leading up to our talk, in that (I guiltily con...more
Per some hype I'm hearing second-hand, George Saunders is the new David Foster Wallace. Well, that sure isn't the case based on this collection of short stories, for better and for worse. Yes, the central conceit of this book - reality-based theme parks for the elite, staffed by the poor and disabled - is very DFWesque, but whereas such a phenomenon would get five pages of description and fifteen pages of footnotes in a Wallace novel, Saunders assumes an insider's vantage point, relying on a ser...more
Me at 18: I read Vonnegut; I read Tom Robbins; I read Mark Leyner; I read Douglas Adams. I had just left the nest in a small Oklahoma town. I knew hardship, I knew the void of culture that threatens to suck you in like a black hole. I knew the vapid anguish that takes the center stage in Saunders' stories.
Humor was therapy then, the absurd a close friend. We scoffed at the religious majority and their follies, we poked fun at the consumerist drone of daily existence. Then came anger and resentm...more
Humor was therapy then, the absurd a close friend. We scoffed at the religious majority and their follies, we poked fun at the consumerist drone of daily existence. Then came anger and resentm...more
I picked this book up because Thomas Pynchon blurbed it, and while I'm not sure I enjoyed it quite as much as he did ("graceful" isn't necessarily an adjective I'd use), it was still good. It's a collection of similarly-themed short stories and a novella, mostly set in a post-apocalyptic America. All of the protagonists have horrible jobs and are miserable, possibly crippled people who endure lots of depressing life events. Saunders keeps the stories from being too suicide-inducing by using lots...more
Wow. I think I gotta take a break from fiction after reading Civilwarland in Bad Decline. There is nothing I can say to describe its whole composition that isn't already written on the cover: dark, ghastly, endish; Cormac McCarthy meets Kurt Vonnegut; devastatingly satirical, a sort of post-apocalyptic dystopia (what circumstance could be more severe?)
What I find most captivating and understated about this collection of "stories and a novella" is the impressively sly way that Saunders arranges...more
What I find most captivating and understated about this collection of "stories and a novella" is the impressively sly way that Saunders arranges...more
The first of a flurry of Saunders' work that I read. This was the most compelling of the lot for me, bubble gum at its most fresh. It's like Saunders offers a more intriguing, colorful alternate reality to Cormac McCarthy's "The Road?" The world is split into Normal/Flawed camps, and the camp split into low comedy and high satire?
Saunder's invention alone is worth the journey. He's got an almost ad-man's ability to pitch his ideas, wrapping them up in purple pop prose. His characters fight off e...more
Saunder's invention alone is worth the journey. He's got an almost ad-man's ability to pitch his ideas, wrapping them up in purple pop prose. His characters fight off e...more
This was my introduction to Saunders, and it's a delightful reread. I hadn't knowingly read him until he won the "genius grant" from the MacArthur Foundation in 2006. A curious reader might benefit by starting with this collection. It's like Saunders shows you your heart's beat before you feel it. I'd love to see most of these short stories turned into short films. Ben Stiller bought the rights to them.
The title story is an enjoyable ride through a war-reenactment type theme park(similar things...more
The title story is an enjoyable ride through a war-reenactment type theme park(similar things...more
This is the first Saunders I've read, and I have to say there are a lot of surface-level similarities with some Wallace stuff. The most obvious is that Saunders wants to communicate a really bleak message about late-stage capitalism, but he feels the need to make his prose consistently and manically funny so that people will bother to read it. I like a funny book as much as the next guy, but I do occasionally feel a little insulted by an author who seems to think I'll stop reading if the jokes d...more
George Saunders writes amazing sentences, even when he seemingly attempts to one up the preposterousness of each passing sentence. His humor always adheres to a larger grief. Often desperate beyond lonely and exhausted of all possibility, his characters reveal an extremity of our own circumstances. His satire never points directly at us and never suggests a Utopic alternative: every story pursues an angle by which people learn to live with the absurdity of the individual mind at a loss amid the...more
When I read The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip to my son earlier this year, I knew I'd have to check out some of the more adult work by Saunders. The interesting thing about these stories and the novella is that character and plot nearly always come secondary two setting. The dystopian futures are never as gruesome or grim as the world we see in Cormac McCarthy's The Road, but they might be on the way there. The bizarre theme parks and failing businesses where the action takes place are the flu...more
I had read "Offloading for Mrs. Schwartz" in my short fiction seminar and it didn't really appeal to me, so I approached this collection not really expecting to care much for it. But these stories really surprised me by being both very enjoyable and critically fascinating.
Two elements most struck me about these stories. First, despite coming from an Anglo-American writer in Rochester, NY, these stories seem to fit well into magical realism, which is generally a Latin American aesthetic. Particul...more
Two elements most struck me about these stories. First, despite coming from an Anglo-American writer in Rochester, NY, these stories seem to fit well into magical realism, which is generally a Latin American aesthetic. Particul...more
I went into this book expecting something a little less... quirky. I was pleasantly surprised. Most of these stories are set in the very near future of not-quite-this reality - a run-down Civil War theme park under seige by local gangs, machines that alter/read/remove memories, a destroyed world in which people are tagged and devalued based on their mutations. All these settings end up feeling close enough to this reality to be frequently disconcerting. In part this is due to Saunders's matter-o...more
All of Saunders's stories are starting to run together for me. That's not necessarily a bad thing. He retells the same story over and over, really, but I really dig it. I say this because every story's theme is basically the same thing: bad guys trying to do good things. I use the term "bad" loosely because here's the rub: we're all bad. We're all bad people just trying to do good. Saunders's stories are a call to action: Do Good.
Now, the details:
"The Wavemaker Falters" is my favorite in this bu...more
Now, the details:
"The Wavemaker Falters" is my favorite in this bu...more
This guy is a great example of what a well crafted short story can be. He has the dark, laughing in the graveyard humor of Chuck Palahniuk only less crass and more mature. The playfulness and meaning of Tom Robbins only less whimsical and more grounded in reality. Technically these stories are speculative fiction in that they all take place in a dystopian future America where consumer culture and entertainment have run rampant to the point of bankrupting the country. Everybody is broke and starv...more
If you read this book from front to back, like I did, all of the stories blur together - the differences in the stories are too subtle to distinguish themselves.
The stories are fun, though underdeveloped, a black vision of America in the near future/alternate present. The author tries to make you laugh at the absurdity, though sometimes you can't laugh because it's all just too pathetic. There is an abundance of guilt-ridden, subserviant and emasculated males (and one woman who fulfills this ex...more
The stories are fun, though underdeveloped, a black vision of America in the near future/alternate present. The author tries to make you laugh at the absurdity, though sometimes you can't laugh because it's all just too pathetic. There is an abundance of guilt-ridden, subserviant and emasculated males (and one woman who fulfills this ex...more
Saunders is a master of prose; on a sentence level, this book was dreamy. Thematically, though, a different story. Or, more accurately, the same story, told in several different forms. I liked this book, but after awhile, the similarities between each story and the final novella ran together. Civilwarland's locations might be varied in the strictly geographical sense, but all are theme parks championing and idealizing a period of history in a dystopian world. It's the slightly off-ness that's so...more
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George Saunders was born December 2, 1958 and raised on the south side of Chicago. In 1981 he received a B.S. in Geophysical Engineering from Colorado School of Mines in Golden, Colorado. He worked at Radian International, an environmental engineering firm in Rochester, NY as a technical writer and geophysical engineer from 1989 to 1996. He has also worked in Sumatra on an oil exploration geophysi...more
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