City of Saints and Madmen (Ambergris, #1)

City of Saints and Madmen (Ambergris #1)

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In City of Saints and Madmen, Jeff VanderMeer has reinvented the literature of the fantastic. You hold in your hands an invitation to a place unlike any you’ve ever visited–an invitation delivered by one of our most audacious and astonishing literary magicians.

City of elegance and squalor. Of religious fervor and wanton lusts. And everywhere, on the walls of courtyards an...more
Paperback, 704 pages
Published December 18th 2007 by Bantam (first published 2001)
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Traveller
Disclaimer: The rating for this book is based on the first four stories:
"Dradin, In Love"
"An Early History of Ambergris"
"The Transformation of Martin Lake" and
"The Strange Case of X" ; all of which appear in the first edition of the book.

Following are my impressions as I read the stories:

"Dradin, In Love"
I'm intrigued as to where the city is set, or shall I say, which real-world location it is based on.

Initially, I thought the Amazon jungle, but now, after mention of an Occidental woman and...more
Ian Graye
Jan 11, 2013 Ian Graye rated it 5 of 5 stars
Recommended to Ian by: Traveller
Some Fantastic Metafiction

“City of Saints and Madmen” (“COSAM”) not only explores a world of New Weird author’s Jeff VanderMeer’s creation, it gives a detailed insight into the method of his creativity.

It’s not just a fantasy novel, but a highly accessible and rewarding exercise in metafiction.

It’s a composite of works: short stories or perhaps novellas, fictional notes, fragments of drafts, reminders, observations, word sketches, drawings, illustrations, doodles, dream diary entries, the histor...more
David Katzman
Jan 23, 2009 David Katzman rated it 4 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Fans of literary speculative fiction or just odd, fantastical literature
If Proust had been a hella Dungeon Master and then dropped all the monsters and sword play…you might end up with something like City of Saints and Madmen.

For several years now, I’ve almost exclusively read books as research for my second novel. With few exceptions (when the books were short), I’ve been committed to that focus religiously. (As religiously as an atheist-buddhist-jew can be.) Not all the books I’ve read were chosen for concrete research, per se—such as, “I’ve invented a character w...more
Sandi
GoodReads definition of two stars is "it was ok". That pretty much sums up what I thought of "City of Saints and Madmen" by Jeff VanderMeer. Some of the stories were really good, like "The Cage", "The Transformation of Martin Lake" and "The Strange Case of X". If all the stories had been that caliber, I might have given this book four stars. Unfortunately, VanderMeer gets too into his conceit of the book being the story of the city of Ambergris. The section that was an early history of Ambergris...more
Matthew Gatheringwater
I once read that a group of mystery writers including Dorothy L. Sayers, Agatha Christie, and G.K. Chesterton formed a detection club and swore to abide by a code of authorial ethics to ensure fair play for their readers. This seems like such a good idea that I wish writers in other genres would consider forming a similar club and that Jeff VanderMeer, in particular, would be a member.

Many reviews of this book mention its "puzzle-like" quality, but if this book is a puzzle, it is one in which th...more
Andrew
This is excellent stuff. Jeff VanderMeer takes influence from the baroque, surreal fantasists of yesteryear, such as Mervyn Peake, Lord Dunsany, or even H.P. Lovecraft (in his less horrific moments), and combines this influence with the more modern elements of steampunk and urban fantasy that can be seen in authors like China Mieville. Out of this mix, he has created his own world, which mostly focuses on the city of Ambergris, a sprawling riverside land that has fallen into functional anarchy a...more
Brooke
I'm struggling with how to think about this book. 3 stars is inadequate to express how I felt about many of the individual stories contained in the collection. By themselves, they were very good - atmospheric, creepy, well-written, well-imagined, etc.

As a whole however, I'm not sure it worked for me. It's supposed to be a collection of stories about the city of Ambergris. It's a city filled with mysterious mushroom people, artists, a festival that involves squids and slaughter, and mystery. Abou...more
Nathanimal
I really wanted to like this book, and fantastic things did happen, as promised. I really liked the ritual murder with the bird masks (though the main character's untrue emotions and reactions during that part kept un-riveting me). I liked the story about the writer who lived in two worlds (though the gotchya ending was kind of an eye-roller). And I liked the mushroom people and the king squid material. I think this novel was supposed to be a marriage between fantasy and meta-po-mo writing like...more
Jeremy
Oct 14, 2010 Jeremy rated it 3 of 5 stars Recommends it for: The brave and the bold
Recommended to Jeremy by: Mieville. The bastard.
What a bizarre book.

After reading Finch first, and only later finding that it was part of a series/cycle/shared universe thing, I was of course intrigued, and opted to start at the apparent beginning. City of Saints and Madmen started off well enough, vacillating from poetic to hilarious, hitting every note it aimed for perfectly.

And then. Then came the Strange Case of X. That story and its consequences, I feel fairly certain, are responsible for my lack of enthusiasm for this book, and a bit of...more
Jason
I did not know that this was a book of short stories that themed on the city of Ambergis. I should have read some reviews before hand. I often lose interest in short stories and subsequently did with this book. I made it through the first 3 stories, the first being the best of the three and started into the fourth. I can see some similarities between Jeff VanderMeer and China Mieville but I feel that they are definitely of a lesser quality. I liked the setting but had no character bonding to hol...more
Brad
May 07, 2009 Brad rated it 5 of 5 stars Recommends it for: Ruzz
*WARNING: This is not really a review, but City of Saints and Madmen requires something else entirely, and there may be a spoiler or two, but considering the book's form I doubt that will matter.*

Dradin, In Love
As Dradin experiences the rain, I am straining with the brightness of our first sunny day reflecting off the silky pages of City of Saints and Madmen, and I am struck by the sensuality of the experience a mere forty pages into VanderMeer’s opus. The weight of the book is comfortable in my...more
Sarah
Jan 09, 2008 Sarah added it
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Peggy
City Of Saints and Madmen is made up of a series of stories connected by their setting. There’s a depth to Ambergris, a heft that only comes from a fully-realized world. Middle-Earth has it, as does Arrakis: a sense that the craziest things make perfect sense because you’re so grounded in the world the author has created.

Before we reach the "beautiful cruelty" of the book’s end, we’ve gotten a tour of various parts of the city, we’ve met the mysterious original inhabitants of Ambergris, the gra...more
Tiffany
It's hard to review genre fiction I'm unfamiliar with. But as one generally unfamiliar with fantasy and scifi, I rate City of Saints and Madmen as generally uneven.

The author has created a multi-dimensional world (reminds me of Calvino's descriptions of Venice) with a rich history of art, religion, violence politics and colonization.

The first part is interesting but the appendix drags on and on...too bad because there are interesting things in there, but they're mixed in with really tedious stu...more
Andrew
Feb 09, 2010 Andrew rated it 3 of 5 stars Recommends it for: people who have finished China Mieville's superior works
I picked this up after reading breathless reviews, and while I like what Vandermeer's doing, this book is so ridiculously indebted to China Mieville that it should seriously just be called "Loser Street Station." It's not a bad collection by any means, but I can't help but compare it to Mieville's vastly, ridiculously superior Bas Lag books because both authors are doing the exact same thing.

Vandermeer also has a jokey, Pratchett'y streak that comes through from time to time that feels incredib...more
Jonathan Hamlet
It's tough to classify these novellas and stories. They have pieces of urban fantasy and some new weird mixed in. Mostly, they're a sizzle reel for how good of a writer Jeff Vandermeer is. There's a lot of ground to cover in the bewildering city of Ambergris, a fictional universe that Vandermeer brings to life slowly and organically. High fantasy it isn't, as Ambergris seems to be a bit of a Victorian and early-modern mashup. It's a difficult read at certain parts, but worth it as each story wit...more
David Rush
The star “I like it” is perfect for my review of of Saints and Madmen by Jeff Vandermeer' rating it right in the middle.

And to be honest I only read the four parts before the appendix. Those being 1. Daradin in Love. 2. The Early History of the City of Ambergris. 3. The Transformation of Martin Lake and The Strange Case of X.

I have to confess a reader's weakness for avoiding footnotes, end-notes and appendices. I try but more often than not, especially in fiction, it feels like the author didn't...more
aboxofcereal
I have the Prime hardcover edition where even the book cover has a story written on it. A man rows toward the horizon, the city of Ambergris looms heavy in the distance, and has a mysterious encounter with a mythical King Squid. Vandermeer runs all the way home with this idea of his City of Saints and Madmen as a tangible, real life artifact from the world of Ambergris, which might not be as imaginary as the author had once thought it to be. His creation has got legs, like the King Squid, it can...more
Lori L (She Treads Softly)
City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff VanderMeer is a collection of short stories and supporting material that is classified as postmodern fantasy. The connection between the stories and other material is that they are all set in VanderMeer's fictional city of Ambergris.

VanderMeer has created a totally new, unique world in Ambergris and for that he is to be applauded. Although humans currently live in Ambergris, they are not the original, or only inhabitants. Originally a race of mushroom-like human...more
Loren
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Poor J.R.R. Tolkien. Sure, it's great to have a genre-defining work as your legacy, but since John Ronald Reuel shuffled off this mortal coil, no one has come close to replicating the feat of his masterwork. Attempts to create (or, in his particular verbiage, sub-create) as thoroughly as Tolkien did have resulted in either poorly realized or hopelessly artsy imitations. It's lonely at the top. But if I had to name one work that has shimmied a good way up the peak, it wo...more
Dale Philbrick
The version of "City of Saints and Madmen" that I read consisted of four novellas about the city of Ambergris (I've read reviews of newer publications of the book which contain more stories). The first story "Dradin In Love" is a seemingly straightforward story of a man seeking the affections of a glimpsed stranger. But the story devolves into a violent introduction to the traditions of Ambergris. I found the second story, a travel guide/early history of Ambergris, to be the most interesting and...more
Davea
The first novella was convoluted and only OK.

The second novella, "The Hoegbotton Guide tot he Early History of Ambergris," was terrible. It is written from the perspective of a historian several hundred years later, and it could not be more boring. There are hundreds of footnotes, the first of which says that the reader will not understand the story without reading the footnotes, but at the end, the reader realizes that the footnotes are just tripe. There is a long glossary after the end of the...more
Nikki
Confession: I didn't actually read all of the appendix of this. I intend to finish it some day, but it's not the kind of book I feel like I can sit down and just blitz on through. The... bittiness annoys me: I do like short stories/novellas, but this isn't the easiest collection to read.

The comparisons between Perdido Street Station and this book are obvious. I felt the cities were characters in both books -- more clearly so in this book, where there's no single recurring, central character. It'...more
Brad
A remarkable pleasure, one of the most engaging fantasy worlds I've experienced since Mieville's Bas-Lag.

In a comparison between Mieville and Vandermeer, I find that Vandermeer comes off superior: His prose is minimalist and clean, while Mieville tends towards long, unstructured streams of adjectives.

The joy of this genre is discovery, so I will leave the ancient city of Ambergris only lightly sketched out: It is a river city, dedicated to The King Squid. Its history is explored via story and t...more
Architeuthis
Jeff VanderMeer's first book of Ambergris is a complex, humorous, awesome, inspired, boring, redundant, over-foot-notey, groundbreaking, self-absorbed and very pretty book. I can't quite call it a novel, nor a book of short stories: it's more of a patchwork, novellas and fake historical pamphlets and short stories and other bizarro little experiments that succeed at times with flying colors. At other times, they crash and burn.

City of Saints and Madmen is a collection of tales set in Ambergris,...more
Ben
A mixed bag. Vandermeer is clearly adept at world-building (that appears to be largely the point of the book), but the individual stories vary in success. Some are completely engrossing -- The Transformation of Martin Lake, The Strange Case of X, and The Cage in particular. Others -- including the Guide to the Early History of Ambergris and Learning to Leave the Flesh -- were interesting enough. Still others -- such as King Squid -- I freely admit that I skipped entirely. And a 75-page glossary...more
Brad
I suppose all fantasy worlds are collages of some sort. Your standard derivative Tolkien stuff, your D&D and high fantasy, is all a vaguely medieval Western Europe, with some drastically altered Eastern Europe folk tale stuff added (I'm thinking trolls and elves and whatnot), with an altered form of Greek deities added. But that format has become so widely used that it seems homogeneous and normal.

VanderMeer's Ambergris is certainly different, if not vividly so; his fantasy city isn't medie...more
Matt
A compilation of four novellas and an appendices of short stories written over several years by Vandermeer centered on his city of Ambergris. At times, experimental and engaging; other times, tedious. Though all the stories orbit Ambergris, my interest in each ranged widely.

The four main novella’s are all entertaining and well written. The second novella, The Hoegbotton Guide to the Early History of Ambergris successfully plays with form by incorporating the narrating historian’s crusty voice in...more
Jessie
There were parts of this book, primarily the first 3 novellas, that deserve a 4 or even 5 star rating. They introduce you to the fascinating, frightening, and alluring city of Ambergris. The more you learn about the city, the more intriguing it becomes. I love that mushrooms and squid play such major roles in the city's history and culture. After reading this, you'll never look at mushrooms the same again-- which is crazy and awesome. Ambergris is a place where some unfortunate souls suffer from...more
Melanie
About half-way through. This book is like nothing I have read before. The imagery is amazing. The author's knowledge and development of the fantasy word is extremely detailed and compelling. It is not an easy read, you have to pay a lot of attention but, so far, it is well worth the effort.

This book is not for everyone, I can see that, but for those of you who enjoy a journey into a darkly fantastic world, this is the place to go. The book is really a series of separately published pieces that w...more
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Jeffrey Scott VanderMeer is an American writer, editor and publisher. He was born in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, but spent much of his childhood in the Fiji Islands, where his parents worked for the Peace Corps. This experience, and the resulting trip back to the United States through Asia, Africa, and Europe, deeply influenced him.

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