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  <title><![CDATA[Deschooling Society (Open Forum)]]></title>
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    <body><![CDATA[Illich questions the basic assumption that most liberal (or for that matter non-liberal) people in the US have: more educational = more gooder.  Attacking the idea that compulsory schooling is constructive, Illich offers one of the more radical analyses of the educational system I've ever heard of o...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/11182263">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[While there is a lot of outdated information here, particularly in the first few pages where Illich is setting up a context for his argument, the basic of tenants of his argument make incredible sense to me: school is not just a way to prepackage information that substitutes consumption for actual l...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/30340729">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[I'm sure everyone's had that experience where you find yourself agreeing with an argument point after point, and then suddenly the person making that argument puts one of your own deeply held opinions into the crosshairs. Such was the case with Deschooling Society: Illich makes a very powerful case ...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/55845478">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <read_at>Tue Jun 23 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[This book challenged my views more than any book I've ever read. Illich's case for the need to deschool society is not only compelling it is transformative. As a person who has become highly critical of public schooling, I was already familiar with where he was going, but to abandon every type of in...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/59758339">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <read_at>Mon Sep 28 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[An interesting look at school and the loading we give that idea.  Argues that schooling should be a lifelong concept and that our existing education fails people.<br/><br/>And I agree, somewhat.<br/><br/>I sometimes wonder about my English Teachers statement that I needed to read more books and ...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/42201515">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Ivan Illich is one of our more interesting social critics. Schooled as a priest he became anathema to both the left and the right of the Catholic Church. He was Vice Rector pf the Catholic University of Ponce in Puerto Rico when he was ordered to leave by the Bishop. He went to Mexico where he found...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/38002159">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Didn't think I'd find myself in such agreement with Illich. Basically, what he's saying is that when you attempt to organize education from a top-down bureaucracy, lead by authoritarian teachers, organized into standardized cirricula, sanctified by abstract diplomas and certification and strictly co...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/16726704">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <recommended_for><![CDATA[A classic on what 'de-schooling' actually means]]></recommended_for>
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  <read_at>Sat Jan 01 00:00:00 -0800 2005</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[Ivan Illich, upon completing his PhD at University of Salzburg in 1951, began working as a priest in Washington Heights, New York for a period of his career. He is the author of many books that critique modernization and is the forefather of ‘deschooling.’ He notes that, in our current education...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/3508979">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[He was such an inspiration. And so much of what he had to say, about lifelong learning, about learning webs, has been applied since then. He was all about community. What Illich kept doing was deconstructing our institutions that were so rigidly and hierarchically organized. Not that they aren't now...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/53948042">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[If you haven't already read this book, take a tip from me and Ivan Illich and go straight to Reimer, Everett: School Is Dead. 1971. no ISBN. Find it in Abebooks or an academic library.<br/><br/>Reimer's book takes up where Illich left off, says Illich in &quot;The Mirror of the Past.&quot;]]></body>
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    <review id="17606148">
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    <body><![CDATA[Ivan Illich's main idea - that today's massive system of institutionalized education is detrimental both to the individual and society - is a perspective sorely needed in the education debate. Even more fascinating is his theory that schools are one of the most effective ways that people are being t...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/17606148">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <read_at>Tue Jul 01 00:00:00 -0700 2008</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[Some interesting and valuable insights, but overall a sloppily and lazily argued proposal for a &quot;deschooled&quot; society. Illich advocates for &quot;Learning Web's&quot;, systems designed for learning that utilize networks, meetings, etc. that one may find by sharing an interest in a common su...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/27340508">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Pre-view really! One of those difficult books that has been looking at me for a few years, not a big book, but fascinating title! Interesting to read the other reviews here!]]></body>
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    <review id="69759774">
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    <body><![CDATA[I had great hopes for this given reviews, and Illich does have some interesting opening thoughts, but he never seems to get beyond that. ]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[mungkin sekolah memang bisa saja justru membuat manusia bodoh.<br/>buku ini tentang masyarakat tanpa sekolah.]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[we have change the future by skill and spirit]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[anything by ivan illich will blow your mind]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[seems like itd be preaching to the choir but immediately begins damning them. so awesome.]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Illich secara kritis mencermati dampak negatif dari pendidikan formal yang dilaksanakan secara kaku dan indoktrinasi. Telaah tentang dampak pendidikan tersebut cukup relevan dengan suramnya dunia pendidikan di Indonesia. Hanya saja usulan Illich untuk meniadakan sekolah formal kayaknya kurang realis...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/9542518">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Ditulis tahun 1971, Illich sudah menyerukan pentingnya teknologi untuk mendorong terbentuknya <em>learning webs</em>/&quot;jaringan-jaringan belajar&quot; (Bab VI hlm 97-136)<br/>Tapi ya itu, menurutku kita tidak bisa menelan mentah2 setiap kritik yg ditujukan pada masyarakat kapitalis maju, krn yg ada seka...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/37845339">more...</a>]]></body>
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