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July 1st 1999
by Marion Boyars Publishers, Ltd.
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Paperback, 150 pages
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0714508799
(isbn13: 9780714508795)
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Read in January, 2008
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Illich questions the basic assumption that most liberal (or for that matter non-liberal) people in the US have: more educational = more gooder. Attacking the idea that compulsory schooling is constructive, Illich offers one of the more radical analyses of the educational system I've ever heard of of, much less read. What, after all, is the relation between schooling and learning, if any?
As someone who has spent a huge portion (like one over one) of their life in school and now teaches at a...more
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Read in January, 2000
Ivan Illich is one of our more interesting social critics. Schooled as a priest he became anathema to both the left and the right of the Catholic Church. He was Vice Rector pf the Catholic University of Ponce in Puerto Rico when he was ordered to leave by the Bishop. He went to Mexico where he founded the Center for Intercultural Documentation. In 1967 he was summoned before the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to undergo a modern form of the medieval inquisition. One of the reasons f...more
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While there is a lot of outdated information here, particularly in the first few pages where Illich is setting up a context for his argument, the basic of tenants of his argument make incredible sense to me: school is not just a way to prepackage information that substitutes consumption for actual learning, but "an advertising agency which makes you believe that you need society as it is. In such a society marginal value has become constantly self-transcendent. It forces the few largest c...more
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Read in March, 2008
Didn't think I'd find myself in such agreement with Illich. Basically, what he's saying is that when you attempt to organize education from a top-down bureaucracy, lead by authoritarian teachers, organized into standardized cirricula, sanctified by abstract diplomas and certification and strictly confined by age.... the results are less than spectacular. Illich's counter-proposal, in short, is open-learning based on peer-to-peer networking (remarkably predicting of a world where people are linke...more
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Read in January, 2005
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A classic on what 'de-schooling' actually means
Ivan Illich, upon completing his PhD at University of Salzburg in 1951, began working as a priest in Washington Heights, New York for a period of his career. He is the author of many books that critique modernization and is the forefather of ‘deschooling.’ He notes that, in our current educational system, the right to learn is curtailed by the obligation to attend school. Further, he suggests that people should control schools for their own learning advantage, not the other way around: schoo...more
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Read in March, 2008
Ivan Illich's main idea - that today's massive system of institutionalized education is detrimental both to the individual and society - is a perspective sorely needed in the education debate. Even more fascinating is his theory that schools are one of the most effective ways that people are being turned into consumers. The book, however, doesn't do a great job at presenting these ideas. It is a collection of essays and lectures, and some revision would have been useful. The book lacks structure...more
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Read in July, 2008
Some interesting and valuable insights, but overall a sloppily and lazily argued proposal for a "deschooled" society. Illich advocates for "Learning Web's", systems designed for learning that utilize networks, meetings, etc. that one may find by sharing an interest in a common subject or book title. Another "learning web" described be skill exchanges, here he proposes a network with a bank of skills, and as you teach your skill more, you earn more credits to learn o...more
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Read in July, 1995
Illich secara kritis mencermati dampak negatif dari pendidikan formal yang dilaksanakan secara kaku dan indoktrinasi. Telaah tentang dampak pendidikan tersebut cukup relevan dengan suramnya dunia pendidikan di Indonesia. Hanya saja usulan Illich untuk meniadakan sekolah formal kayaknya kurang realistis untuk dilaksanakan dalam skala makro, karena siapakah yang akan memfasilitasi proses belajar yang intens bila tiada bangku sekolah?
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Ditulis tahun 1971, Illich sudah menyerukan pentingnya teknologi untuk mendorong terbentuknya learning webs/"jaringan-jaringan belajar" (Bab VI hlm 97-136)
Tapi ya itu, menurutku kita tidak bisa menelan mentah2 setiap kritik yg ditujukan pada masyarakat kapitalis maju, krn yg ada sekarang di sini: kita butuh lebih banyak sekolah dg kurikulum yg lebih baik lagi.
Tapi ya itu, menurutku kita tidak bisa menelan mentah2 setiap kritik yg ditujukan pada masyarakat kapitalis maju, krn yg ada sekarang di sini: kita butuh lebih banyak sekolah dg kurikulum yg lebih baik lagi.
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Read in February, 2008
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Yes!!! Totally good and beautiful vision and good as hell. I recommend it to everyone. especially karson. its about what it sounds like. i would type more but the internet cafe is closed.
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Read in January, 2000
recommends it for:
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Commercial formal education can be harmful for the society because it ensures the social gap, marginalize the poor. And so do the commercial hospitals, highways, etc.
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The normal brainwashing that occurs in school is debilitating to creativity, intelligence and cooperation.
I dropped out of hs two years later.
I dropped out of hs two years later.
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Read in November, 2007
recommends it for:
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school tends to confuse formal education for learning, process for actual substance
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Interesting and insightful so far....
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