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423 voters
When Nietzsche Wept
Another bestseller from Yalom, a professor of psychiatry at Stanford University and the author of Love's Executioner. This is a richly evocative novel that portrays an astutely imagined relationship between Europe's greatest philosopher and one of the founding fathers of psychoanalysis.
Paperback, 310 pages
Published
January 1st 2005
by Harper Perennial
(first published 1992)
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C’è questo tizio che va dal medico… e non è una barzelletta!
Caro professore di Filosofia del Liceo, questo libro è per te.
Se mi avessi insegnato Nietzsche in questo modo, forse nella tua materia sarei andata un pelino meglio.
Caro Medico di famiglia (cambiato da poco solo perché ci sembrava utile averti al piano di sotto..sbagliando ovviamente), questo libro è per te.
Se lo leggessi, forse il giuramento di Ippocrate ti suonerebbe di nuovo familiare. Forse il rapporto col paziente ti farebbe suo...more
Caro professore di Filosofia del Liceo, questo libro è per te.
Se mi avessi insegnato Nietzsche in questo modo, forse nella tua materia sarei andata un pelino meglio.
Caro Medico di famiglia (cambiato da poco solo perché ci sembrava utile averti al piano di sotto..sbagliando ovviamente), questo libro è per te.
Se lo leggessi, forse il giuramento di Ippocrate ti suonerebbe di nuovo familiare. Forse il rapporto col paziente ti farebbe suo...more
تنها هر جا رنج باشد تصعید و رهایی وجود دارد
Beach reading for the brainy set. Keeping in mind that this is one of Yalom’s “teaching novels,” envisioned not to entertain, or even to achieve artistically, but to serve as a type of literary experiential learning tool for therapists and therapists-to-be, really helps with tolerating the expository nature of much of the book. Also, Yalom’s nerdy and passionate enthusiasm is infectious, and if one surrenders to it, it allows the reader to join in with the fun he clearly was having writing this...more
Wow. Simply fantastic. If you spend half as much time in your own head as I do mine, this might be the book for you. If you analyze yourself and your actions, enjoy the process of self discovery, or simply love psychology then I suggest you hit your nearest used book shop ASAP. This book makes no effort to hide its loftier aspects. I was not in the least surprised to learn that its author is a professor of psychology at Stanford and has written several text books on the subject. Yalom, however,...more
Similar to his novel on Schopenhauer, Yallom's novel on Nietzsche illustrates the cathartic value of the "talking cure" approach used in psychotherapy. Yallom sets the stage (early 1880s, Vienna) by using two historic figures, Dr. Joseph Breuer (who is associated with laying the foundation of psychoanalysis) and the philosopher Nietzsche, both of whom were afflicted with obsessive love interests with two beautiful women. In the background, the young Freud serves as a sounding board for Breuer.
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یکی از بهترین کتابهایی که خواندم از نظر کشش داستانی که حرف نداره همچنین پر از مفاهیم روانشناسی و فلسفیه :
افسردگی بهایی است که آدم برای شناخت خود می پردازد. هرچه عمیق تر به زندگی بنگری به همان مقدار هم عمیق تر رنج می کشی
آدمها معمولا تنهاییشون را با دوستاشون جبران می کنند و اونهایی که دوست ندارن با خداشون اما اونهایی که دوست ندارند و خداشون هم مرده . . . (نقل به مضمون) کسی را نمی شناسم که از خواندنش پشیمان شده باشد
افسردگی بهایی است که آدم برای شناخت خود می پردازد. هرچه عمیق تر به زندگی بنگری به همان مقدار هم عمیق تر رنج می کشی
آدمها معمولا تنهاییشون را با دوستاشون جبران می کنند و اونهایی که دوست ندارن با خداشون اما اونهایی که دوست ندارند و خداشون هم مرده . . . (نقل به مضمون) کسی را نمی شناسم که از خواندنش پشیمان شده باشد
In this amazing novel Yalom blends philosophy, psychoanalysis and history and imagines what would have happened had Nietzsche gone into therapy with Breuer. The plot thrives on the tensions that arise between Nietzsche's nihilistic philosophy and Freud's belief in the fundamental role of relationships on human life and development. This book is an emotional and intellectual tour de force and brings to life two of the most magnificent thinkers of the 20th century. Yalom at his best!
تنها هر کجا رنج باشد تصعید و رهایی وجود دارد
I am not in the habit of trashing a book. However, since this novel had been published as a "Perennial Classic," there is no danger that I might destroy a writer's career. However, the choice of this book as a "classic" left me perplexed: why this book is held in such a high regard?
The premise of Yalom's novel is interesting: Get two of the most innovative thinkers of modern times to meet. And then what? Friederich Nietzsche and Josef Breuer--the father of modern philosophy and the father of mod...more
The premise of Yalom's novel is interesting: Get two of the most innovative thinkers of modern times to meet. And then what? Friederich Nietzsche and Josef Breuer--the father of modern philosophy and the father of mod...more
اینکه کتابی را خوانده باشی و در آخر از وقت و پول و انرژی که بابت آن گذاشته باشی راضی باشی؛ کم اتفاق میافتد و یا حداقل در مورد بنده کم اتفاق میافتد. کتابی که در آن نویسنده، خواننده را بیشعور فرض نکرده باشد و به شعور او بیاحترامی نکند و یا با زبان بازی و مثلا ً تکنیکهای روایی به جای تعریف کردن یک داستان و یا بیان اندیشهی خود به رودهدرازی نیفتد و کتابسازی نکند. کتاب (وقتی نیچه گریست) جزو کتابهایی بود که بعد از مدتها دلم نمیآمد آن را زمین بگذارم و هر وقت این کتاب را زمین میگذاشتم تا فرص...more
Too much fiction, too little philosophy. Ironically, somewhere in the book Nietzsche abhors the idea of reading the recast philosophy. That's why he learned Greek. Drinking from the source spring rather than the still water in the carafe, he learned to read the firsthand writings and then the philologer became a philosopher. Keeping this point in your mind, imagine if you can learn Nietzsche's philosophy by reading merely the excerpts of his early works quoted now and then in the text.
Even so, t...more
Even so, t...more
Yalom, who has written some fascinating and extremely useful books about psychotherapy, has gone here into uncharted territories and taken some risks: this is a novel, not an essay, which talks about the beginnings of therapy through a fictional story, and which uses real historical characters (among them, Nietsche and Freud) but put them in imaginary situations. Quite tricky. But Yalom pulls it off masterly, and his book is a great read. Some may not find it easy, as it deals with some complex...more
Salome: uber hero out of many (or alongside many). I'd forgotten about this book, which I bought years ago when I was thinking about writing a novel that was semi-based on Salome. When Farmer Jed reviewed it, I re-noticed it among the books I dragged along out here to California.
Back in the day, the writing really bothered me: it was so overwhelmingly over-the-top, like Yalom had taken some amazing people and turned them into a daytime tv serial. Now, I wonder, was he trying to write like their...more
Back in the day, the writing really bothered me: it was so overwhelmingly over-the-top, like Yalom had taken some amazing people and turned them into a daytime tv serial. Now, I wonder, was he trying to write like their...more
Heb een beetje zitten worstelen met dit boek, bij vlagen vond ik het prachtig en soms moest ik mezelf dwingen door te lezen. Waarschijnlijk lag het ook aan mijzelf. Ik had wat weinig tijd, was een beetje onrustig in mijn hoofd en ik geloof dat dit dan geen geschikt boek is. Ga het later nog eens proberen met de Schopenhauerkuur.
Je ziet in het verhaal min of meer de geboorte van de psycho-analyse (de praattherapie zoals Breuer en Freud het noemen). Het is wel boeiend je voor te stellen dat aan h...more
Je ziet in het verhaal min of meer de geboorte van de psycho-analyse (de praattherapie zoals Breuer en Freud het noemen). Het is wel boeiend je voor te stellen dat aan h...more
کتاب ایدهی جذابی رو دست گرفته که متاسفانه توی همون یک سوم ابتدایی توانش رو از دست میده و تبدیل میشه به یه اثر شبه روانکاوی که نمونهاش رو توی خیلی از مجلههای خانواده می تونیم ببینیم. شخصیتها خوب از کار درنیومدند؛ تازه با احتساب اینکه اکثر شخصیتها به خاطر واقعی بودن از پیش توی ضمیر خوانندههاش حضور داشتن. شخصیت اغواگر لو سالومه خیلی ناقص پرداخت شده و ایدهی رمان سریع اون رو از گردونه خارج کرده، در حالی که می تونست کلی به تعلیق ماجرا اضافه کنه. در کل به نظر میرسه رماننویس حرفهای نبودن نوی...more
I have to say that even if I noticed some major weaknesses I definitely enjoyed this book.
I am a young MD student with a huge interest in philosophy. This is probably enough to love this book and in particular the wonderful and inspiring character of Dr Breuer.
A man at the apex of its social ascent, apparently complete and happy who's tormented by an inner sorrow. He understands that life can go by, without giving us the possibility to notice, time flows through our hands like sand, we can't hol...more
I am a young MD student with a huge interest in philosophy. This is probably enough to love this book and in particular the wonderful and inspiring character of Dr Breuer.
A man at the apex of its social ascent, apparently complete and happy who's tormented by an inner sorrow. He understands that life can go by, without giving us the possibility to notice, time flows through our hands like sand, we can't hol...more
A really good work. The author is a well-known existential psychiatrist and writer. All the books of Yalom are somehow related to Psychology.
This one is a novel. One of the first works of this author in that genre, and some people say that this book has some downsides. But I don't think that.
I really liked this book. I think this book is a complex work, that mixtures Nietzsche and Freud in the story.
The book treats complex topics and sometimes is not easy to follow that ideas. Its an easy readin...more
This one is a novel. One of the first works of this author in that genre, and some people say that this book has some downsides. But I don't think that.
I really liked this book. I think this book is a complex work, that mixtures Nietzsche and Freud in the story.
The book treats complex topics and sometimes is not easy to follow that ideas. Its an easy readin...more
Este é um livro sobre a auto-descoberta, sobre o aprendermos, primeiro, a falar sobre os nossos problemas, e depois, a descobrir e entender a sua origem para podermos saber como ultrapassá-los.
Uma ficção do nascimento da psicanálise que se torna numa fantástica abordagem da amizade, da proximidade, dos fantasmas de todos nós, tão diferentes e, no fundo, tão similares. E as mulheres, ah as mulheres, tão presentes.
Um filósofo e um clínico na busca da cura, do auto-conhecimento.
“Nietzsche: Apesar d...more
Uma ficção do nascimento da psicanálise que se torna numa fantástica abordagem da amizade, da proximidade, dos fantasmas de todos nós, tão diferentes e, no fundo, tão similares. E as mulheres, ah as mulheres, tão presentes.
Um filósofo e um clínico na busca da cura, do auto-conhecimento.
“Nietzsche: Apesar d...more
Nov 18, 2011
Duesterwald-Online
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Wir befinden uns im 20. Jahrhundert in Wien. Josef Breuer ist ein angesehener Arzt und pflegt unter anderem Umgang mit dem jungen, aufstrebenden Sigmund Freud. Seinen Wohlstand verdankt er unter anderem auch seiner Frau aus gutem Hause, um die ihn ganz Wien beneidet. Mit ihr hat er drei Kinder. Und doch ist Josef Breuer dieses Leben leid.
Eines Tages sucht ihn Lou Andreas Salomé auf, eine junge, selbstbewusste Russin. Sie bittet ihn, einem noch unbekannten Philosophen zu helfen, der suizid...more
Wir befinden uns im 20. Jahrhundert in Wien. Josef Breuer ist ein angesehener Arzt und pflegt unter anderem Umgang mit dem jungen, aufstrebenden Sigmund Freud. Seinen Wohlstand verdankt er unter anderem auch seiner Frau aus gutem Hause, um die ihn ganz Wien beneidet. Mit ihr hat er drei Kinder. Und doch ist Josef Breuer dieses Leben leid.
Eines Tages sucht ihn Lou Andreas Salomé auf, eine junge, selbstbewusste Russin. Sie bittet ihn, einem noch unbekannten Philosophen zu helfen, der suizid...more
"One of my patients is a midwife," Breuer went on. "She's old, wizened, alone. Her heart is failing. But she's still passionate about living. Once I asked her about the source of her passion. She said it was that moment between lifting a silent newborn and giving it the slap of life. She was renewed, she said, by immersion in that moment of mystery, that moment that straddles existence and oblivion." (222)
"I leave the pebbles for no one. Not for the sake of social form, for others to see--I have...more
"I leave the pebbles for no one. Not for the sake of social form, for others to see--I have...more
The writing is complex and sometimes dense; the story and relationships are fascinating, especially the relationship between the 2 men (and, I think, between the doctor and himself); the historical details are interesting and the underpinning idea intriguing. I loved it, although it was a slow read-not because of any flaws in the book but because I stopped often to think about the text, which also presents many interesting concepts: philosophical, psychological, social, relational-and all kinds...more
Venise, 1882.
La belle et impétueuse Lou Salomé aborde le Dr Breuer, ancêtre de la psychanalyse et mentor du jeune Sigmund Freud.
Elle vient solliciter son aide pour son ami, Friedrich Nietzsche.
Le philosophe, malgré la parution du Gai Savoir et de Humain, trop humain, est encore méconnu du grand public.
Après l'échec de son ménage à trois avec Lou Salomé et Paul Rée, Nietzsche est plongé dans le plus profond désespoir.
Irvin Yalom imagine la rencontre fictive entre Breuer et Nietzsche, véritab...more
La belle et impétueuse Lou Salomé aborde le Dr Breuer, ancêtre de la psychanalyse et mentor du jeune Sigmund Freud.
Elle vient solliciter son aide pour son ami, Friedrich Nietzsche.
Le philosophe, malgré la parution du Gai Savoir et de Humain, trop humain, est encore méconnu du grand public.
Après l'échec de son ménage à trois avec Lou Salomé et Paul Rée, Nietzsche est plongé dans le plus profond désespoir.
Irvin Yalom imagine la rencontre fictive entre Breuer et Nietzsche, véritab...more
I had never heard of this book when it was chosen for one of my book groups. The cover discouraged me, subtitling the book as "a novel of obsession" and including a blurb stating that it was "A shrewd intellectual thriller."
Fortunately my sense of duty to my book group made me push through my reluctance. Obsession is certainly a theme of the novel, but not the central one, and although it's shrewd and intellectual as hell, I think anyone looking for a thriller would be disappointed.
What it is...more
Fortunately my sense of duty to my book group made me push through my reluctance. Obsession is certainly a theme of the novel, but not the central one, and although it's shrewd and intellectual as hell, I think anyone looking for a thriller would be disappointed.
What it is...more
Bence Psikanalizi seven her türlü bu kitabı zevkle okur. Düşündürücü ve etkisi altına alan sözler var.
Nietzsche çok hasta. Hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal sıkıntıları var. Kendisinin bir dahi olduğunun farkında. Konuşmalarında hep kendi kitaplarından alıntılar yapıyor. Kitaplarını çok az insan alıyor, okuyor. O kadar az ki kendisi bile diyor benim kitaplarım kimlerde var isim isim bilirim. 2000 yıl sonra insanların kendini anlayacağını umuyor.
“Avrupa’nın kültürel geleceği tehlikede, Nietzsche ümits...more
Nietzsche çok hasta. Hem fiziksel hem de ruhsal sıkıntıları var. Kendisinin bir dahi olduğunun farkında. Konuşmalarında hep kendi kitaplarından alıntılar yapıyor. Kitaplarını çok az insan alıyor, okuyor. O kadar az ki kendisi bile diyor benim kitaplarım kimlerde var isim isim bilirim. 2000 yıl sonra insanların kendini anlayacağını umuyor.
“Avrupa’nın kültürel geleceği tehlikede, Nietzsche ümits...more
Irvin Yalom does a wonderful job of bringing his characters to life. In a part of my mind I wonder what the real characters would have said about how they are portrayed. Perhaps that they were not as predictably simple in their thinking, and that the conclusions they would have reached may have been more complicated than Yalom would have us believe. Yet,for the purposes of telling this story the author is compelled to paint his characters with broad brush strokes. To his credit Yalom remains ste...more
Jul 03, 2010
Irene
rated it
4 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
anyone interested in psychology,philosophy, or Vienna at the turn of the 18th to 19th centuries.
Recommended to Irene by:
A psychoanalyst
This book was recommended to my by someone who had a career as a psychotherapist, and it's a fictional account of an encounter between Friedriche Nietzche, the philospher, and Josef Breuer, a physician is credited as one of the founders of psychology. Nietchze and Breuer lived and worked at the same time and although there is no evidence that they ever met, it may have happened. In this book they not only meet but have an intense meeting of the minds. Nietchze comes to Breuer for treatment of hi...more
Jun 14, 2009
Khaya
rated it
3 of 5 stars
·
review of another edition
Recommends it for:
Therapists; philosophy students; Yalom fans
This ambitious book fictionalized a therapeutic relationship between Joseph Breuer and Friedrich Nietzsche, two famous thinkers who never actually met. I think my narrow knowledge of Nietzsche and his philosophy limited my ability to appreciate this book. If, as some presumably better-informed goodreads reviewers say, Yalom did a great job of capturing Nietzsche and Breuer and keeping their relationship consistent with what their writings suggest it would have been like, I’ll never know. I simpl...more
"Die at the right time". The phrase jolted Breuer. The pleasant afternoon stroll had turned deadly serious. [...] "Live when you live! Death loses its terror if one dies when one had consummated one's life! if one does not live in the right time, then one can never die at the right time."
To build children you must first be build yourself. Otherwise, you'll seek children out of animal needs, or loneliness, or to patch the holes in yourself. Your task as a parant is to produce not another self, an...more
To build children you must first be build yourself. Otherwise, you'll seek children out of animal needs, or loneliness, or to patch the holes in yourself. Your task as a parant is to produce not another self, an...more
Cuidadoso e imaginativo, o autor monta um possível encontro entre Joseph Breuer, hoje conhecido como um dos pais da psicanálise, e Friedrich Nietzsche, um pouco antes desse escrever sua magnum opus "Assim falou Zaratustra", e antes de sofrer o colapso mental que o incapacitou até sua morte em 1900.
Contando com participações especiais de Freud e Lou Salomé, o livro tem por pano de fundo a tentativa do médico em ajudar o filósofo, não somente em sua saúde física, mas principalmente no que concer...more
Contando com participações especiais de Freud e Lou Salomé, o livro tem por pano de fundo a tentativa do médico em ajudar o filósofo, não somente em sua saúde física, mas principalmente no que concer...more
I wouldn't call it "great literature," but Yalom's novel is a smart, engaging read. Yalom's alternative history posits a meeting between Josef Breuer -- one of the fathers of psychoanalysis and a mentor of Sigmund Freud -- and a young Friedrich Nietzsche. The dialogue can be clunky at times, often coming across as two intellectuals philosophizing to one other rather than two human beings talking, but Yalom has a firm grasp of Nietzsche's thought -- firm enough that he can critique its extremes a...more
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Irvin David Yalom, M.D., is an author of fiction and nonfiction, Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University, an existentialist, and accomplished psychotherapist.
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