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My Ishmael (Ishmael #3)
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Daniel Quinn
Winner of the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship, Daniel Quinn's Ishmael is a bestseller and a testament for a burgeoning spiritual movement.Now Quinn presents an extraordinary sequel, a companion novel so startlingly original that even Ishmael's most faithful readers will not predict its outcome....
When Ishmael places an advertisement for pupils with "an earnest desire to save th...more
When Ishmael places an advertisement for pupils with "an earnest desire to save th...more
Paperback, 304 pages
Published
October 6th 1998
by Bantam
(first published November 3rd 1997)
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My Ishmael is, of course, the sequel to Daniel Quinn's novel Ishmael. This book focuses on much the same subject matter as the first book. Namely, that the agricultural revolution gave rise over time to the modern-day Taker culture. With this rise the Taker's put forth the attitude that they were in control of their own destiny and chose to live in a seemingly unnatural way. They decided for themselves to conquer the world without care of the consequences to all other life. Quinn's main assertio...more
It's not that I didn't like this book. I did. But, instead of writing this book in a form which uses dialogue between the characters, Quinn should have simply written a discourse on his beliefs of the world. While his theories and ideas were extremely interesting, the dialogue became tiresome very quickly. I had to put the book aside because, honestly, it started to irritate me.
So, Mr. Quinn, if you are reading this, spare us the monotony of boring dialogue and just write a dissertation containi...more
So, Mr. Quinn, if you are reading this, spare us the monotony of boring dialogue and just write a dissertation containi...more
A hippie grocery store clerk suggested this to me. That should have warned me off right there. From her breathlessly enthusiastic description of a psychic gorilla with The Secrets to Existence, I erroneously thought it would be a playful, Tom Robbins-esque lysergic carnival ride.
That is NOT what I got.
If this had been written as a pamphlet to be handed out by wide-eyed hippies on street corners, I probably would have considered it to be a more honest work. Instead, we're presented a cardboard cu...more
That is NOT what I got.
If this had been written as a pamphlet to be handed out by wide-eyed hippies on street corners, I probably would have considered it to be a more honest work. Instead, we're presented a cardboard cu...more
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[THIS REVIEW CONTAINS SPOILERS. IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLOT AND ARE CONSIDERING READING THIS BOOK, DON'T READ MY REVIEW OF IT.]
Not a bad book, but I guess of the three (Ishmael and The Story of B being the other two) it was the one I least prefer. That's not to say "Don't read it." I'll explain.
First, and least importantly, Quinn created a very unconvincing 12-year-old girl to act as protagonist for this episode. And then for the last chunk of the book this 12-year-old girl went to Zaire, alone,...more
Not a bad book, but I guess of the three (Ishmael and The Story of B being the other two) it was the one I least prefer. That's not to say "Don't read it." I'll explain.
First, and least importantly, Quinn created a very unconvincing 12-year-old girl to act as protagonist for this episode. And then for the last chunk of the book this 12-year-old girl went to Zaire, alone,...more
This is by far the most important and inspirational book I have ever read. It totally puts a finger on why I have felt so lost in my life and it has become a big influence on how I want to live. The trilogy is written so that Daniel Quinn's ideas can be explained in a story-like fashion through interactions with a different character in each book.
Everyone is different, with different upbringings, and different views on life, and so some may relate more to one story than to another. By writing t...more
Everyone is different, with different upbringings, and different views on life, and so some may relate more to one story than to another. By writing t...more
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There are books that illuminate the world in new ways to us. Rarely have I read a book that sheds light on my own existence the way this book did. It isn't so much that it's a fun read, or even that it's a well written book. The fact is it makes you think. I believe this makes many who read it uncomfortable. It questions the bedrock of our society in ways that aren't easily dismissed. Some people hate this book for that. Others find it hard to read. I think the more deeply rooted in mainstream c...more
"This was the tremendous strength of the tribal way, that its success didn't depend on people being better. It worked for people the way they are---unimproved, unenlightened, troublesome, disruptive, selfish, mean, cruel, greedy, and violent. And the triumph the Takers have never come close to matching. In fact, they never even made the attempt. Instead, they counted on being able to improve people, as if they were badly designed products. They counted on being able to punish them into being bet...more
I'm not a philosophical person so I don't feel like I can make comparisons of this book to other philosophical treatises. But I liked thinking about the ideas that are raised in this book and I found it a very easy read.
Whether I agree with everything is another matter. I recently read a book that discusses Papua New Guinea so I couldn't help but juxtaposing the idealized tribal lifestyle put forth in this book with some of the harsh realities and uncertainties of tribal life described in that...more
Whether I agree with everything is another matter. I recently read a book that discusses Papua New Guinea so I couldn't help but juxtaposing the idealized tribal lifestyle put forth in this book with some of the harsh realities and uncertainties of tribal life described in that...more
A very clear look into Human history and behavior, and how developed societies compare to primal ones. There are many good points, and Mr. Quinn gives articulation to sentiments I feel many have, but did not know how to voice.
Coming from a gorilla is an interesting device. I feel more people are willing to listen to him over a human character.
Coming from a gorilla is an interesting device. I feel more people are willing to listen to him over a human character.
Quatrième de couverture :
"Professeur cherche élève souhaitant vraiment sauver le monde." Un homme d'une trentaine d'années, cherchant, un sens à sa vie, répond à cette annonce et découvre que le professeur est un gorille nommé Ishmael. S'engage alors entre eux un dialogue socratique surprenant, drôle et profond, sur de grandes questions tout à la fois philosophiques, historiques et morales : comment le monde en est-il arrivé là au fil des siècles? Peut-on encore sauver la Terre et Mère Nature e...more
"Professeur cherche élève souhaitant vraiment sauver le monde." Un homme d'une trentaine d'années, cherchant, un sens à sa vie, répond à cette annonce et découvre que le professeur est un gorille nommé Ishmael. S'engage alors entre eux un dialogue socratique surprenant, drôle et profond, sur de grandes questions tout à la fois philosophiques, historiques et morales : comment le monde en est-il arrivé là au fil des siècles? Peut-on encore sauver la Terre et Mère Nature e...more
Wow. My Ishmael is to Ishmael as Wicked is to The Wizard of Oz. If you don't get that analogy, suffice it to say that this story is the "real" Ishmael. I found the beginning of the book to be a review of Ishmael and that it moved rather slowly, but by the time Ishmael started answering the specific questions and analyzing our society, I was completely enthralled. Quinn really has "done it again." He takes on the education system, the economic system, cults, gangs, and religions. It's amazing wha...more
With all of the negative reviews posted here I felt compelled to counter a bit. This may be a complete waste of time as there are many that see modern civilization as the apex of human development. Some of us disagree, some of us very strongly. I dropped out of High School as a Junior, precisely due to the critiques offered by Ishmael (Quinn). Our current education system serves no other purpose than to produce complacent, docile, and obedient employees. After dropping out of High School I spent...more
It's taken me a long while to finish this book. I really enjoyed the premise of it, a gorilla who instructs humans on how to save the world from destruction. However, the style of writing, in which the entire lesson is given through conversation, becomes very wearisome. In order to keep myself from simply sticking it back on the shelf and forgetting about it, I had to take long breaks from it and read only a few chapters at a time. The ideas presented are well thought out criticisms of our curre...more
Philosophically interesting & provocative. A *slightly* tedious read (compared to say, Steven King novels), but worth it for the stimulating ideas. Some of his arguments seem a bit circular & his student a bit too agreeing. It seems a little presumptuous to claim to know how things were 10,000 years ago, pre-agriculture. The notion that humans just are how we are & should have systems that jibe with that makes sense. And the unschooling ideas. He (Ishmael/the author) uses the Socrati...more
I read this little gem when I was 15. I loved it. Though, to be fair, considering my age and susceptibility to absorbing whatever new ideals that sound right at the time, it might have impacted me more than it should have. Nevertheless, I think everyone should read this book at some point...its insights towards society, civilization, and institutionalized education (spoiler: Ishmael is not a fan of the latter) were extremely rewarding. A bit frustrating how it leaves you with a newfound frame of...more
I very much enjoyed this book. I was expecting it to be kind of dull, because I didn't think there would be much more to say after "Ishmael", the first novel. It was surprisingly packed with interesting ideas and ways of portraying them. I was especially engaged in Ishmael's take on how the United States deals with societal imperfections, education, and wealth. I love philosophical fictions and this one was well done. The only thing I wasn't particularly fond of was the teenage storytelling styl...more
This book contains valuable insights and teaching points within a very entertaining story. This was my first read of Daniel Quinn so I make no comparison to his other work. Quinn uses the story and unlikely characters (a 12 year old girl and a gorilla) to addresses a very troubling question (human destruction of the natural environment). This technique may frustrate the linear rational mind that struggles with the notion of a girl communicating with a gorilla. The author poses some fascinating q...more
I think Daniel Quinn has hit upon something very special in his Ishmael books. That special thing is a concept, or way of looking at human history, that tells the story of how people came to be the way they are. Mr. Quinn tells this story through his fictional teacher who seeks students to learn his insights and pass them on. That teacher is a sentient gorilla by the name of Ishmael.
Ishmael teaches by telling stories and engaging his pupils in a Socratic dialogue. He wants to lead them through a...more
Ishmael teaches by telling stories and engaging his pupils in a Socratic dialogue. He wants to lead them through a...more
Winner of the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship, Daniel Quinn's Ishmael is a bestseller and a testament for a burgeoning spiritual movement. Now Quinn presents an extraordinary sequel, a companion novel so startlingly original that even Ishmael's most faithful readers will not predict its outcome....
When Ishmael places an advertisement for pupils with "an earnest desire to save the world," he does not expect a child to answer him. But twelve-year-old Julie Gerchak is undaunted by Ishmael's reluctance t...more
When Ishmael places an advertisement for pupils with "an earnest desire to save the world," he does not expect a child to answer him. But twelve-year-old Julie Gerchak is undaunted by Ishmael's reluctance t...more
Holy cow, this book makes me think I'm a hippie. Once you get past the fact that it's a telepathic gorilla, which is easy to do at the beginning (near the end it's not as easy but you're too into the story to care), it's one of those books that really makes you think about our society. A quick read, and "Ishmael" is another book written from the point of view of one of the other characters and actually won the 1991 Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award (fiction with positive solutions to global probl...more
Whether read as a follow-up/companion to Quinn's first novel, "Ishmael" or read independently, this book will transform the way you view the world. Quinn's vision of the path to human happiness takes us back to the roots of human living... tribal, communal, characterized by emotional support and freedom to live a life that brings you happiness.... a philosophy that stems from the notion "there is no one right way to live." How could we yearn for anything less?
Ugh, re-hashed Ishmael...
one idea that did resonate with me was the idea that if young adults were able to escape their indoctrination *ahem* I mean "education" it would mess up the entire system... however, I don't think that there is any hope in trying to 'reform' old institutions and having young adults leave indoctrination earlier could only be good for their innate capacities for critical thinking, creative problem solving and compassionate communication.
one idea that did resonate with me was the idea that if young adults were able to escape their indoctrination *ahem* I mean "education" it would mess up the entire system... however, I don't think that there is any hope in trying to 'reform' old institutions and having young adults leave indoctrination earlier could only be good for their innate capacities for critical thinking, creative problem solving and compassionate communication.
I loved Ishmael and I would highly recommend that book to anyone and everyone, but My Ishmael turned out highly disappointing. Quinn tries to convey many similar ideas as in Ishmael, but in this book, Ishmael's lessons are targeted to a twelve-year-old girl. Being very careful not to wantonly dismiss a twelve-year-old's capability for such powerful and culturally dissident ideas, I honestly do not think, based on my own experience as a twelve-year-old girl not THAT long ago, that she could proce...more
I liked this one even better than the first one. It is so clear to me now and I had some idea of most of this stuff before. It clearly spells out the reason I pulled my kids out of public school. I wish I had woken up sooner though I might have saved myself and my husband from falling for all the bull mother culture tells us and we might now be the people we really wanted to be. If you care at all about the future of the human race or want to live a real life, you should read this book.
My Ishmael was another life changing book for me. When we read books the setting of our lives and the character of us at that moment are so very relevant. When I read this trilogy I felt alone as a non-believer and just as a alone in my feelings about the human condition. If nothing else Mr. Quinn opened my eyes to seeking out people that wanted to make things better and were willing to shatter delusion.
This is by far my favourite of the books I have read by Daniel Quinn. The narrator, Julie is far more likeable than Alan from Ishmael and the conversations between her and Ishmael are much less stunted. This is the best insight into the education system that I have read so far. I really like the use of smaller stories within the narrative to get the point across. Towards the end there was some 'padding' to the story that I felt was unnecessary but overall it was a great read and really compellin...more
Wow I love Daniel Quinn. This book takes up where Ishmael left off, but you could also enjoy it on its own. A girl talks to a gorilla. The gorilla helps the little girl through a learning process. And if you read this book, you'll learn what she learned, and you'll be (I hope) as inspired as she was.
What do you learn? How to save the world. How to find meaning. How to solve all your problems.
I don't know how to explain this. You should read the book. I think it will change your life. (Ishmael ch...more
What do you learn? How to save the world. How to find meaning. How to solve all your problems.
I don't know how to explain this. You should read the book. I think it will change your life. (Ishmael ch...more
I read this when it first came out so it's been a while, but it is one of those sequels that is as good as the original. Quinn is creative, and he manages to inform, provoke and educate without being pedantic. I teetered between 3 stars and 4, but ended up giving it a 3 because it lacks narrative tension.
I LOVED this book. The entire book is dialog between two individuals and it portrays such a strong message about the world and what we as humans are doing to it. Very emotional, especially towards the end. Definitely a book that I will always remember and keep in my collection just because it's that special to me.
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Daniel Quinn (born 1935 in Omaha, Nebraska) is a U.S. writer.
He studied at St. Louis University, the University of Vienna, and Loyola University of Chicago, receiving a bachelor's degree in English, cum laude, in 1957.
He is best known for his book Ishmael (1992), which won the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award in 1991.
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He studied at St. Louis University, the University of Vienna, and Loyola University of Chicago, receiving a bachelor's degree in English, cum laude, in 1957.
He is best known for his book Ishmael (1992), which won the Turner Tomorrow Fellowship Award in 1991.
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