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Platón es uno de los más grandes pensadores que ha tenido la Humanidad, y con Aristóteles, la más alta representación de la filosofía helénica; vivió durante el último tercio del siglo V y la primera mitad del IV a. d.C.
Carecemos de datos biográficos fiables y existe mucha leyenda sobre su persona, aunque sí sabemos que fue discípulo de Sócrates. Tanto veneró al maestro q...more

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Nov 27, 2010 Shelley rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I was gifted my copy of this book by my Philosophy professor back in college. He was a character: he'd ride a bike to work, could discuss theories for hours and he would go to used bookstores to pick up the great journals for less than a dollar and give them the students based on the type of beliefs they exhibited in class. If you were a Utilitarian he gave you a book by Bentham or Mill, if you expressed a Libertarian outlook, he'd present you with Thoreau or Nietzsche. When he handed me my book...more

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Jul 14, 2009 Dylan Mcarthur rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: anyone

The dialogues of Plato have helped renew my faith in life and humanity. In college I learned that 1) there is no truth, 2) every assertion is merely someone's perspective and 3) all meaningful inquiry involves a technical deconstruction of someone else's thoughts (i.e. someone deluded enough not to know that there isn't any truth and that all is perspective). Plato believed in reason, in the reality of goodness (i.e., the better choice), and in the value of the struggle to understand ourselves a...more

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Aug 14, 2007 Mark rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: no one

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Socrates says "The unexamined life is not worth living." Yet this book actually shows that an examined dialogue is not worth believing. The general format of the Socratic dialogues is:
Socrates: Incorrect fact #1.
Friend: Obviously, Socrates.
Socrates: Correct fact #2.
Friend: Of course, Socrates.
Socrates: 1 + 2 = 3. And a half.
Friend: You are so wise Socrates.

Since the arguments are so blatantly made up, it is hard to give any credence to the conclusions. Which is a shame because he espouses...more

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May 18, 2013 JP rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Contains Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Protagoras, Meno, Symposium, and Gorgias. In general, these are considered the primary component of Plato's early works, in which he expounds that learned from his teacher Socrates. The arguments seem somewhat simplistic by today's standards, but the style and logic clearly represent the timeless fame rendered to Socrates. In Apology, Socrates willingly accepts indictment and makes his argument. True to his spirit, he makes adequate defense against both classes o...more Contains Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Protagoras, Meno, Symposium, and Gorgias. In general, these are considered the primary component of Plato's early works, in which he expounds that learned from his teacher Socrates. The arguments seem somewhat simplistic by today's standards, but the style and logic clearly represent the timeless fame rendered to Socrates. In Apology, Socrates willingly accepts indictment and makes his argument. True to his spirit, he makes adequate defense against both classes of charges but is still found guilty. In arguing his case, he brings out the idea that he is "wise" because he knows he is not and questions every principle proposed to him. In Crito, he also expresses that he wishes the mass could do bad for then they could also do good. Phaedo is moving in the way he willingly accepts his execution, explaining to his followers that a philosopher dedicates their entire life to separating body from soul. He considers it completely natural to follow what the law of society has ordained and does not fear his death but rather looks toward it. In Protogoras, Socrates debates with the former regarding why his young friend should follow Protogoras to learn Virtue. They explore exactly what that is and isn't and Socrates successfully impugns the self-proclaimed value of the Sophists' claim to profess teaching it. His analogy to merchants and their selling of wares without knowing what is good and bad for their customers makes one immediately think of so many modern "improvements." Hippocrates is also present at these debates. Meno involves constant debate regarding virtue. The final conclusion is that it comes from the Divine but must be defined before it can be better understood. In Symposium, Socrates joins in an after-dinner discussion to eulogize Eros. Several mythological concepts are introduced there: the belieft in two Aphrodite's (one being true love and one Pandium), the original human with twice as many of most parts (split by the gods to limit their arrogance and always searching for their pairs; the love is actually a search for immortality through reproduction, or a better society, et al). In Gorgias, Socrates debates the value of rhetoric. (Great phrase ascribed to Callicles: mad with eloquence, like a true politician). Judgment is portrayed as having originally (time of Cronos) been performed by "clothed" men on "clothed men, resulting in a superficial judgment as the dead were sent down one of two roads. To summarize the conclusions, rhetoric is in itself useless (or at least no more than any other skill) and an increase in power is also an increase in ability to sin. Socrates also compared trials of ideas to a trial of a doctor vs a candy maker with a jury composed of children.(less)

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May 18, 2013 JP rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Selections needed to complete my St. John's list: In Phaedrus, the discussion of Platonic love is completed with further discussion regarding the sensible vs the bodily love. Socrates is made out as a lover of wisdom, not as wise himself. His mastery of discussion are also shown in the way he wraps up his first argument so quickly, only to have Phaedrus force him to stay, at which time he works into his real thoughts. In essence, he shows that arguments are of higher worth if they can stand up t...more

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Oct 09, 2011 Veronica rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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This book is my bible. I first read it for a college class as an undergrad. One of the first books I remember reading was the Symposium. I ended up dropping that first philosophy class for various reasons. When I came back to school at a different university, I decided to try philosophy again. Synchronicity must have been at work in my choice of professors, as the one I chose became my mentor and my friend. It was in his class that I delved back into Plato and fell in love with them. It would be...more This book is my bible. I first read it for a college class as an undergrad. One of the first books I remember reading was the Symposium. I ended up dropping that first philosophy class for various reasons. When I came back to school at a different university, I decided to try philosophy again. Synchronicity must have been at work in my choice of professors, as the one I chose became my mentor and my friend. It was in his class that I delved back into Plato and fell in love with them. It would be a massive undertaking, and one I am not prepared to do, to summarize the contents of this book. Instead I will point out notable books, and perhaps a few the general or beginning reader should tackle first.

It would be a very goo idea to start with the Apology. It will give you a sense of who Socrates is, what Athenian society is like at the time, and for the feel of Plato's style. I strongly recommend that readers stick with these translators: Edith Hamilton and Huntington Cairns. Their translations is lively and captures Socrates' wit and sometimes subtle humour. After the Apology, the Laches would be a good place to go, as it's centered around the single question of courage, and will give readers a feel for the structure and style of his argument. In general, there are six parts and then the release or conclusion. One interesting thing I've noticed is the importance of the middle section of any given book. This is especially noticeable in the Euthydemus and the Phaedrus. However, I would not recommend trying these two books until you have made it through several of his others. The Symposium is a beautiful book and pairs nicely with the Phaedrus. The Republic is fairly standard reading for many schools, but there is much to be discovered in this lengthy text besides what he says about philosopher kings. The Republic offers a fairly concise presentation of the Forms, or the eidos that are the central tenant of Plato's philosophy. Many people, including the other father of western philosophy, Aristotle, have mistakenly believed that Plato desired to separate the mind and the body, the ideal from the sensual. In the context of the Symposium and the Phaedo, I do not think this is the case at all. I will not however, try to tell you what to think. All I ask (if I can do such a thing) is that you read mindfully, carefully, and critically.

The Euthydemus is perhaps one of my favorite books; it is also the most demanding and existentially terrifying. When reading this book, one must be very aware of language and the meaning of words, for the brother's arguments often turn on a single word. It is also in this text that you can find much of, if not all of the ideas presented in the later dialogues. Perhaps the most difficult book of all however, is the Phaedo because it is in this book that Socrates attempts to describe most directly his concept of the Good--what it is, how we reach it--and a proof for the Forms. This is where we find the argument that "each is in all, and always all." This was one of the last books we covered and it made me feel as if I had lost all the understanding I previously thought I had. It really brought home the other oft quoted piece of wisdom: "wisdom is knowledge of one's own ignorance."

I would highly recommend the dialogues for people who are searching for answers to questions they don't know how to ask. The beautiful thing about Plato's philosophy is that it truly is a philosophy for living. While other philosophies or religions will tell you what steps to take at each and every turn on the path, Plato instead shows you the goal, the ultimate Good, and lets you find your own way there. For those who may think that eastern and western philosophies only and always oppose each other, I'd encourage you to consider Plato in light of Buddhism, and visa versa. (less)

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Dec 09, 2011 Erik Graff rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: everyone

Recommended to Erik by: Kelly Fox

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Jowett's translations are to Plato as King James' committee was to the English bible, viz. as standards against which future efforts are judged.

The first time I actually sat down to read all of Plato, authentic and spurious, was for a course at Loyola University. That was the Hamilton edition. I had, however, read much of Jowett previously and, indeed, much of Jowett is to be found recycled in Hamilton.

The first serious exposure I had to Plato was through Jowett's voice and it occurred during th...more

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Apr 13, 2012 Wilbert rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Ok, been throwing myself in at the deep end with this one.

I know, Plato/Socrates are best known by quotation.
Still, my absolute lack in knowledge of philosophy had me hesitant, since I tend to read cover to cover (and everything in between)....
But hey, a gift, nice hard cover, inviting typeface, sound introduction.
(and my weak spot for 'big' books, sorry to iPad)

I will surely re-read much of this tome.
In the first place because of its unrivalled value as a dictate of humanity.
Also, because I can...more

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Feb 22, 2010 max rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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In Greek literature, there are many authors whose substantive ideas and technical literary skills are breathtaking. Purely in terms of influence -- by which I mean the degree to which a particular author has reconfigured the intellectual landscape for future generations -- it is undisputed that the two greatest writers in the Greek literary tradition are Homer and Plato. Plato took philosophy to an entirely new level, and few if any philosophers who wrote subsequently have matched the extraordin...more

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Mar 07, 2013 Jerrid Wolflick rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: everyone

Shelves: philosophy, reference

This is one of the finest translations of Plato's works that I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Since my Attic Greek is now quite rusty, it is a chore to read Plato in the original (although I did so in High School thus helping me recognize the translation quality). The Foreward is a paean to the greatness and timelessness of Plato's works. It also explains the reason for the order chosen by the editor. The footnotes and editorial notes (marginalia) both help further explain the more obscu...more

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May 09, 2008 Ryan N marked it as to-read · review of another edition

I've read up to The Republic, which I've already read. I'm not sure what's after that. High Point: Crito.

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May 05, 2013 Richard Newton rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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This is a brilliant edition of Plato's collected works, which is excellent value for money. Of course, you can probably buy them all very cheaply in an eBook format now - but the hard-copy is easier to use if you are studying and therefore need to make cross references regularly. There are many many gems here, and you do not have to love everything about Plato to get huge value from this book.

The only drawback is the sheer size of the book - which is simply a result of Plato's prodigious output...more

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Aug 31, 2007 Michelle rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

made me think too much! philosophy just spurs on more questions.

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Jun 28, 2012 Keith rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Plato (and his alter ego, Socrates) is just someone you have to read to make any headway in philosophy. He wasn't pleasant for me, because I disagreed with a lot of his premises and conclusions. But, the good thing is that he often makes his stories (especially the ones with Socrates) entertaining. Socrates (real or not) was my kind of guy. He listened patiently, asked questions, and then slowly got people to question their assumptions through rationality. Fun times. Problem is, at least for me,...more

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Apr 22, 2007 Tim rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

It's practically a Bible.

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Sep 28, 2012 Anthony rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Many reviewers have noted how this book is the Bible of Plato ( It's even printed on the standard paper used in many Christian Bibles!). I recommend this book for anyone who plans to study Plato in-depth. Containing all the extant works of Plato, this book will not disappoint those who want to experience all of Plato's thought. Most pages have footnotes explaining unclear references to historical places, or other important concepts.

The introduction is superb, providing details to approaching t...more

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Jan 23, 2012 Benn Peek rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I've finished Apology, a dialogue entitled Ion, Phaedro, the subsequnce of the Apology, adn have now finished Book I of Plato's Republic (which still plays into the dialogues, and is not a novel of its own). Socrates has a Christ like demeanor, and to me eerily resembles the Christian messiah, although this may be the work of the interpretor. Main points in the dialogues raise a candle to not only statements in philosophies, but can summarize entire theologies in the process.

The conflicts in Th...more

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Sep 29, 2011 Brian Burt rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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This is a great volume for those of you interested in Plato. Not only does it contain all of Plato's works, but also works possibly composed by Plato and works considered not to be composed by Plato (the academic status of composition of each work is clearly indicated in the table of contents). Insightful but concise introductions are provided for each work.

By no means do you need to read this entire volume, unless of course you are spurred on by shear academic motives. Works that I would sugges...more This is a great volume for those of you interested in Plato. Not only does it contain all of Plato's works, but also works possibly composed by Plato and works considered not to be composed by Plato (the academic status of composition of each work is clearly indicated in the table of contents). Insightful but concise introductions are provided for each work.

By no means do you need to read this entire volume, unless of course you are spurred on by shear academic motives. Works that I would suggest are Republic, Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Symposium, Phaedrus, Gorgias, and Ion. The longest work in the volume, Laws, is just as it sounds: a very literal discussion and listing of all the laws to accompany a new city. Think of it as a complementary piece to Republic, but where Republic is more abstract and philosophical, Laws is geared more for direct implementation.

Two characteristics of Plato's work began to drive me insane: the first, that the opposite of right is wrong; the second, the application of the particular to the general. Plato often presents a very dichotomous method of argumentation wherein he consistently employs logic such as the opposite of right is wrong, truth is false, good is bad, etc. A nice methodology to push along a theory, but we all know that in reality the opposite of a wrong is not necessarily a right. As for the application of a particular to the general, at many times during their discussions to prove a point Plato's speakers would give an instance where their argument is valid in a particular case and then extrapolate this to be a truth for the general case, often with the particular case being totally unrelated to the general case like discussing justice or some other abstraction and then proving a point using a hunter or a farmer or something. This is commonly employed by the logical construct that came to be known as the transitive property of mathematics, namely that if a = b and b = c, then a = c to produce some questionable results. A absurd example: being virtuous is good, and we've already agreed that a cobbler is good, then a cobbler must be virtuous. My example is extreme I know, but you will not fail to see some logical constructs in this volume that are just as humorous.

Other than some blatant absurdity that can easily be recognized with 2,500 years of scholarship and hindsight, a very interesting pursuit of knowledge with the constant theme that nothing should be taken as is without careful evaluation.(less)

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Sep 22, 2011 Briana rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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There's a reason why Plato's stuck around for so long.

Socrates reminds me of Columbo sometimes. He asks questions ("Just one more thing..."), and he acts like he doesn't really know, but you can just hear the wheels turning as he puts things together.

Honestly, I don't remember what I got out of Symposium because I read it almost 6 months ago...but I took notes, so...oh, Diotima's Ladder was very interesting, even though I don't think I got all of it. But seeing it come back in Augustine was pr...more

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Feb 10, 2010 Sowmya rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

It seems the ‘Dialogues of Plato’, is one of the few official accounts of Socrates’ philosophies.
Socrates obviously had no paucity of brains. His peers in Athens knew that well and most revered him and sought his valuable thoughts, bought his arguments and honoured him as an elite philosopher. Yet, the mighty prevailed.
Reading this book, made me realize how some things never change. Might is right and if you are no Socrates, your principles somehow evolve to mirror those of the ‘mighty’ or the...more

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Nov 03, 2009 Craig Williams rated it 1 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Good god, how I hated this book. A coworker saw me reading this, and was absolutely flabbergasted I was reading it "recreationally". She gave me a high five for my effort, and now I know why: this book is a fucking bear to read. While it was interesting to read how enlightened the Greek civilization was, and some of the political and social ideas of the time, it was also very, very boring. My eyes would glaze over with each page, and my brain would shut down. Socrates was, no doubt, a master of...more

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Apr 25, 2010 Matt rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Having finally read this from cover to cover (with the exception of The Republic to which I went to Allan Bloom’s translation) one cannot help but feel some sense of achievement. The purist in me loves that the entire corpus of Plato’s works is easily accessible in one volume. But I wouldn’t recommend reading Plato: Complete Works as I have.

To read Plato, and actually digest Plato, is not an easy task. At times, I am not ashamed to admit that it’s a chore. Though the Complete Works contain short...more

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Nov 22, 2011 Erik Graff rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: everyone

Recommended to Erik by: Leo Sweeney

Shelves: philosophy

I took Leo Sweeney's Plato course during my first semester at Loyola University Chicago. Early on he asked for research proposals. I said I wanted to read all the material and write comprehensively about Plato's theology. He accepted that and I proceeded to take extensive notes while pouring through the texts.

Meanwhile, Sweeney taught the course focusing only on a few dialogs focusing on epistemology. While what he said plausibly connected to the texts he specifically addressed, much of it was a...more

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Aug 06, 2008 Rebecca rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Does it count if I have been reading it for a decade or more? It puts me to sleep (perhaps because I read it before bed), and I disagree with Socrates' conclusions on almost everything. It is sometimes funny.

Socrates makes blanket statements about humanity, and consistently convinces his straight man that he is correct, but it seems like sophistry. His generalizations are ideals but not actually true. Whomever he is talking with usually makes generalizations that are not true, either, but he (no...more

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Apr 10, 2008 Majormarmot rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: Everyone 12+/Mayores de 12

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En la que es posiblemente la madre de todas las obras filosóficas occidentales, Platón nos muestra en entretenidos diálogos la ideología de su maestro Sócrates, junto con su propia visión del mundo.

Los diálogos permiten apreciar las legendarias discusiones…dije discusiones…debí decir, humillaciones, de Sócrates sobre los sofistas, lo que le da cierta acción a una obra que por lo contrario sería bastante tediosa y cansada.

El objetivo del autor es mostrar al lector una serie de dilemas morales y f...more

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Oct 27, 2011 Güis Guerrero-Enterría rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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Sin el no se puede empezar, pero siempre hay que leerlo sabiendo cuando se escribió. Todas las preguntas estan ahí, nuestras preguntas, las dudas, las sospechas. Parece un índice general de la filosofía (no el único índice)(derrida decía que hacer filosofía era mandar postales, cartas de amor, a Platón). Las reflexiones no pierden su brillo. Se le puede leer de una manera o de otra. Las revisiones en clave política nos pueden llevar a lugares oscuros que desgraciadamente conocemos muy bien.

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Apr 13, 2010 Greg rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I bought this collection several weeks ago on Half.com. I had been wanting to own it for sometime. I'll almost certainly never finish it, but I do think I'll pick it up from time to time and read a dialogue or two.

In addition to the introduction, I've read the following dialogues so far:

Euthyphro
Apology
Crito
Meno

I had to give this book five stars because it seems to me to be the best Plato collection out there--and just because it's Plato after all.

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Jul 25, 2011 Chris brown rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

If you want to dive into Plato this is the book. If anyone has said they have read this whole book they are either a liar; have spent time in prison or have been incapacitated and could not move for an extended period of time. I've gotten through the republic and meno and still have about 1000 more pages to go but I love Plato so this is worth it.

On a side note the ISBN number that is on the back of my book (0965020210) is not the number they have on Amazon

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Nov 12, 2012 Ian rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

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The Dialogues of Plato is a collection of some of the famous philosophical ideals of ancient Greek philosopher Plato. The book caught my eye because I went to ancient Greece this summer, and I thought the book would have have some references to ancient Greek culture. It turned out that the amount of references to ancient Greek culture in the book were minimal, the book spoke mainly of ideas as to how to live your life. The book is a pretty challenging read, it made me think hard of how I live my...more

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Feb 10, 2011 Germà rated it 5 of 5 stars

Probablement el segon millor llibre de tots els que he llegit (que són pocs). Aquesta edició de la magnífica col·lecció de divulgació "Sepan cuantos" de l'editorial Porrua de Mèxic compta amb un excel·lent estudi preliminar de Francisco Larroyo, ideal per als que s'apropen a Plató per primer cop.
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Maybe the second.best book I ever read (only a few, I'm afraid). This edition from the great "Sepan cuantos" collection from Mexican Editorial Porrua counts with an excellent prelim...more

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“What a strange thing that which men call pleasure seems to be, and how astonishing the relation it has with what is thought to be its opposite, namely pain! A man cannot have both at the same time. Yet if he pursues and catches the one, he is almost always bound to catch the other also, like two creatures with one head.” — 12 people liked it

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