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Cái toàn thể và trật tự ẩn là cuốn sách kinh điển của của David Bohm. Trong cuốn sách này, ông đã phát triển lí thuyết về vật lí lượng tử, bao gồm cả vật chất và ý thức. Ông đưa ra một lí thuyết khoa học giải thích vũ trụ và bản chất của thực tế. Những lập luận trong cuốn sách được trình bày rõ ràng, mạch lạc và không sử dụng thuật ngữ kĩ thuật để các độc giả không chuyên ...more
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Published 2011 by NXB Tri Thức (first published July 1st 1980)
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Mengsen Zhang
May 29, 2014 Mengsen Zhang rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I love this man! Like an old friend giving you guidance of how you should proceed with your science to understand what you're trying to understand about the universe. No book ever speaks to my heart like this one. Every sentence says that he knows exactly what I want, and what I'm not confident about being able to grasp. The "rheomode" of language use he proposed, that is to turn adjectives back their original verb form, is a great way to organize thoughts and reduce confusion. Chapter 5 and 6 g ...more
Desclian
Apr 18, 2010 Desclian rated it did not like it  ·  review of another edition
Perhaps one of the most unfounded books I have ever read. Bohm's goal to cure the world from its 'fragmentation' is a good one, and comes from a good place, but both his ideas of culture and reality as well as his mode of presentation and argumentation are that of a middle-schooler. For instance, Bohm takes Greece (and therefore Rome as well) to represent all of the 'West' and ancient India to represent all of the 'East.' From a single examination of a single word in both of these cultures, he t ...more
Alyssa
Mar 09, 2012 Alyssa rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition

This book is basically 1/3 physics, 1/3 semantics and linguistics, and 1/3 philosophy. If you aren't interested in all three, it's probably not the book for you. And yes, there is some math in it, but it's really not that much outside of one appendix, and most of it is algebra. You can ignore it and still understand most of the book. You do have to have some patience and an IQ higher than that of a carrot to get through it, but even if you only grasp 2/3rds of the content, it's worth the effort
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Rob
the monumental achievements of modern physics have been based upon (or, "have led to"?) a certain worldview - that the universe is made of entities that can be broken up into elementary constituent parts, and Everything That Happens is made up of interactions between these entities. unfortunately, as with a great many ideas, as time passes and the application of this viewpoint to various avenues of investigation meets with success after success, people come to believe that the reason for this su ...more
Alex Lee
Bohm approaches a Deleuzian concept of fold through physics alone. In tracing the development of quantum mechanics from general relativity, he points out the added concepts (explicate order) that characterize physics today. These added concepts are invisible, and thus modify the data to lead to confusing questions about the physical nature of reality.

Bohm's approach leads him very close to Barad in his critique of quantum mechanics interpretations and towards agential realism in how cuts and met
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Sangcheol
Oct 18, 2011 Sangcheol rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Undivided wholeness and flowing movement, Bohm's core concept that encompasses the whole content of this amazing work. Bohm starts from examining the historial development of "fragmentation" which emphasized a certain aspect of measurement of reality, and equated our representation as perfect correspondence with what we treat as independent of reality.

However, what Bohm suggested as a remedy to fragmentation seems quite unclear. He mentioned that "integration" is impossible due to the finity of
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Brian
Jun 15, 2013 Brian rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
The unifying topic of this book's chapters, which vary widely in both content and style, is Bohm's theory of the nature of reality as an undivided, interpenetrating whole - strongly reminiscent of the Hindu-Buddhist metaphor of Indra's net. In presenting this idea, Bohm's approach comprises philosophical speculation, sociological critique, physical analogy, and the specialized mathematical expressions of quantum theory (NB: as a non-expert, I found it possible to follow these latter technical as ...more
Roger Booth
Apr 21, 2015 Roger Booth rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
This is a key piece of the "quantum rendering" puzzle.
It provides the motive and a method to "think differently" ... to see a wholeness in constant transformation, rather than a bunch of particles moving independently and obliviously, according to some mechanical program.
Harry Pray IV
Jan 08, 2008 Harry Pray IV rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I wish David Bohm could have hired a writer to paraphrase his thoughts because this one is waaaaay too dry and scientific for me to get into the really amazing things he is talking about. If you don't read it, it's at least an amazing find for the mathematic/philosophical charts and diagrams he creates.
It's also good if you want to get into studying (what became) string and then M theory and you're on TONS of aderol...there's probably another theory by now, but they're all arriving at the same
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Mary Betowt
Mar 16, 2016 Mary Betowt rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Extremely technical book that starts with examining the patterns in human language structure and syntax, the origins of language, and how different modalities of language can be used. Bohm talks extensively about how syntax and words can be chosen and modified to become more efficient at describing reality and the world around us. He pushes the edges of language, using it as a vessel to communicate his main message: That meaning can be found in anything, and the actual process of finding meaning ...more
Rama
Feb 20, 2014 Rama rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Wholeness in Vedanta and the philosophy of David Bohm

David Bohm is one of the deep thinkers among quantum physicists who went beyond the traditional interpretation of physical reality. Bohm like Einstein proposed very radical theories, and this book is one of his best works written for a general reader. The author proposes that the totality of the whole called the holomovement is the Ultimate reality and the laws governing this totality may never be known, but the forms derived from this totalit
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Derek Folder
May 15, 2015 Derek Folder rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I think. How is it possible to use epistemology--study of opinions on the true-- as a tool for exploring various differentiated philosophical disciplines beside it? Belief seems to be the only topic I have seen for days and days in this forum; beliefs, opinions-- while constructive as indicators of identity politics-- are not the stuff of philosophy, as study of wisdom necessarily transcends opinion/belief into a ''real world where terms are forced into daily interaction one with each other.'' s ...more
Noe Nieto
En este pequeño libro David Bohm revoluciona a toda la ciencia con su concepto de Holokinesis.
Patrick Barker
Jan 04, 2015 Patrick Barker rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Wow, this book is heavy, I'm going to try and simplify the essence of it.

Quantum Theory, Relativity, and Buddhism all point to the notion that there is an undivided wholeness to reality. Bohm attempts to explore these ideas, and while he recognizes that he cannot possibly conceive the wholeness, the effort that he makes he really quite brilliant. He shows that the equations of relativity and quantum theory can be written in non limiting ways, that is to say they are true regarding their space, b
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Nicholas
Dec 05, 2012 Nicholas rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: physics
The first three chapters of this book,use philosophy and etymology to reposition the fragmentary belief systems prevalent in modern physics and further incorporate them as sub-sets in the larger framework of a wholly inclusive higher dimensional reality,of which our experiential existence is but a projection.
The middle section of the book is a mathematical treatment of an attempt to prove that it is possible to introduce new concepts into Quantum theory,that while still giving the same results
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Ricardo Acuña
Nov 01, 2014 Ricardo Acuña rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: favorites, science
Me pareció muy interesante la forma en que Bohm define la realidad como algo muy basto en un orden implicado en el cual solo se nos manifiesta una parte en el orden explicado que es lo que percibimos por nuestros sentidos e instrumentos. A mi parecer plantea un nuevo enfoque epistemológico de la ciencia pues describe los límites dentro de los cuales es capaz de modelar y describir los fenómenos en el orden explicado. Es muy revelador y por medio de sus planteamientos matemáticos (esta parte me p ...more
Wilma Reiber
Nov 14, 2012 Wilma Reiber rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
I had watched interviews and read quotes by David Bohm, and it resonated with my understanding (or guessing) of how the world might work. So, I looked forward to read this book. At first, I was disappointed. It seemed to be dry and, on many pages, redundant.
When I realized that I was actually getting a glimpse into his brain, how he thought and how he came to his conclusions, I was hooked. I am not trying to say that I understood every word and thought, but I found it fascinating to watch a bril
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Mark
Dec 13, 2012 Mark rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I want renegade and iconoclast David Bohm to be right. His break with the established physicists among his other peers on the Manhattan Project has made him controversial. As he should be -- the book uses solid math and physics to arrive at some very metaphysical solutions. In retrospect, I don't think his proposed "Theory of Everything" is more far-fetched than more current Multiple Universes and Super String Theory/M Theory explanations. And it much more appealin. (NERD ALERT: I went on to rea ...more
Yubal Masalker
Oct 03, 2015 Yubal Masalker rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
A remarkable book by a remarkable physicist. David Bohm thinks Outside the Box about the reality as revealed by the Modern Physics. He has tried to explain rationally in words reality which looks irrational and which is beyond words. But that's precisely the reality which the rational Science of Physics portrays by its cutting-edge scientific findings.
Frank Peterson
Feb 13, 2016 Frank Peterson rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: do not recommend; instead I recommend The Tao of Physics
Recommended to Frank by: References
In spite of the fact this man is considered a "Genius" by many, many others, not just in his own field of Physics, but many other disciplines as well, that does not necessarily make him a skillful writer by extension. Mr. Bohm has the unfortunate tendency to compliment his excessively verbose writing, with repetitive, nondescript, and lowbrow analogies; analogies which contain voluminous wording saying very, very little. Personally, I found his style somewhat condescending, as Mr. Bohm at times ...more
Dubravko
Sep 07, 2014 Dubravko rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
The only reason I gave this book two stars is because it actually took time for someone to write it, and I can respect that. If I were to objectively rate it, though, I would probably give it a negative star, because the content of the book is pure and utter bulls*it.
Ron Krumpos
"Wholeness and the Implicate Order" is one of the books in the secondary bibliography of my free ebook on comparative mysticism. "The greatest achievement in life" at suprarational.org/gail2012.pdf has been reviewed on Goodreads.
Elizabeth
Parts of the book have profound messages, but overall, I found it to be a bit choppy. I wish he could have explained things a little bit better (EG hidden variables).
Kelly Whitworth
May 27, 2014 Kelly Whitworth rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
I really enjoyed this book. Bohm comes from a place that I don't find difficult to grasp, even though he is challenging at times because of the new concepts he introduces and his discussion of mathematics, which I have no understanding of. If you are familiar with Taoist or Buddhist physics you won't find this too 'out there'. It's a great book to help you understand how and why classical physics broke down, or that it at least cannot describe the nature of the cosmos in total but only an abstra ...more
Ahmed Abdelsattar
Too much philosophy.

The book contains some ideas that are hard to understand about the language structure and how the present language leads to fragmentation.
The author tries to build a new mode of language calling it the Rheomode
that avoids fragmentation.
The physical part is hard and full of equations but I think David Bohm tries to put a new better theory in physics to deal with the hidden variables.
I don't think I will complete reading that book because it is really hard and complicated al
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Mark Gently
May 25, 2016 Mark Gently rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: alex-tr
Sometimes banal, often insightful, always idiosyncratic.

There's some nice discussion of philosophy-of-space issues that hints at Volovik's work (see his book The Universe in a Helium Droplet) on emergent quantum field theory; he mentions Pribram's work on "holonomic brain theory", which I'm also quite interested in; the idea that configuration space is more fundamental than spacetime strikes me as very insightful (this is relevant to my interest in 'relative locality'); the stuff about conscious
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Moshe Zioni
I havn't read all of it, I excluded the more rigor technical stuff, I've read this book as for an intro to Bohm's interpretations concerning Quantum Mechanics. I not ever close to tell you how solid this theory is (hidden-variables theory) but as far as I understand and know, which is very little to not-at-all, his view is generally accepted as at least feasble and more important- 'Poperistic' which is not the case with the common interpretation of QM (i.e. Heisenberg principle).
Signe Cohen
Jan 04, 2015 Signe Cohen rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Brilliant and thought-provoking work on the nature of reality and human consciousness.
Jeffrey
Aug 16, 2010 Jeffrey rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
This book is very philosophically and mathematically dense. Even as someone with two degrees in physics, it took some time to wade through all the mathematics. Still, Bohm's overall point that our view of the world is fragmented and that to find answers to ultimate questions will require us think more holistically seems valid. The average reader may get more out of authors who are writing about Bohm's work rather than reading Bohm's work itself.
Eric
Jun 29, 2014 Eric rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Bohm may have been a great physicist but he was no great shakes as a philosopher.
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“some might say: ‘Fragmentation of cities, religions, political systems, conflict in the form of wars, general violence, fratricide, etc., are the reality. Wholeness is only an ideal, toward which we should perhaps strive.’ But this is not what is being said here. Rather, what should be said is that wholeness is what is real, and that fragmentation is the response of this whole to man’s action, guided by illusory perception, which is shaped by fragmentary thought.” 5 likes
“many individuals going beyond the ‘normal’ limits of fragmentation are classified as paranoid, schizoid, psychotic, etc.” 3 likes
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