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Kun kyyhkyset katosivat (Kvartetti)

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Kirja kertoo ihmisten valinnoista, uskollisuudesta ja uskottomuudesta, sopeutumisesta tai sopeutumattomuudesta maassa, jonka kohtalona on joutua miehittäjien armoille. Romaanissa liikutaan 1930-luvulta 1960-luvulle, terrorin ja rauhan vuosina. Kun kyyhkyset katosivat on Viron lähihistoriaa ja Euroopan kahtiajakoa käsittelevään Kvartetti-sarjan kolmas osa. Edelliset osat ov ...more
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Published August 30th 2012 by Like
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Hadrian
Estonia was a country invaded three times in 4 years. First in 1940 by the Soviets, then in 1941 by the Nazis, and again in 1944 by the Soviets, who would sink their teeth in it until 1991.

This novel is a look of three people caught in this whirlwind. Roland, the partisan, Edgar, the collaborator, and Juudit, caught in a relationship with a German officer. All three are caught on the desperate edge of survival. They have to survive each invasion, each occupying force. They change their names, t
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Tiina
Feb 04, 2013 Tiina rated it it was amazing
Recommends it for: Everyone!
Recommended to Tiina by: My mom
Sofi Oksanen is without a doubt one of the best Finnish contemporary authors, perhaps one of the greatest overall, too. Her prose is beautiful: the language is alive, it is never static or boring but always manages to describe the situation perfectly. It is a pleasure to read her books, every page is like an artwork but without being too complicated to understand.

I loved this book even more than I loved Puhdistus and cannot understand why it has received so much criticism. I think the character
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Mary
Sep 16, 2016 Mary rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction
Dark, unsettling, and captures the bleakness and paranoia of soviet times quite well, as well as the brief German occupation. Not altogether successful for me in terms of character believability, and at times the pacing lagged. I loved the historical content and the significance of Tallin’s and Estonia’s changing name. Uneven overall, but enjoyable.
Chrissie
"In 1940, Estonia was occupied and illegally annexed by the Soviet Union as a result of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. During the war Estonia was occupied by Nazi Germany in 1941, then reoccupied by the Soviet Union in 1944. Estonia regained independence in 1991 after the collapse of the USSR." that is taken directly from Wiki.

What was it like living in the country then? That is what this book is about. You follow two different time periods - the 40s and the 60s - but the same people. You flip ba
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Kamil
Estonia torn by second world war, through the eyes of three characters, representing three different ways of life.
Enjoyed historical aspect the most, seeing a country collaborating with Hitler while here in Poland that was basically always out of question, also due to Nazi Germany politics, was deeply engaging.
Oksanen has very smooth almost melodic way of writing, yet it's quite sentimental and the latter bothered a bit.
She writes female characters well, those feel real and complex, while mal
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Sara
Feb 15, 2016 Sara rated it it was ok
Melko tylsä eikä tässä mitään tapahtunut mutta tulipahan ensimmäinen Sofi Oksaseni luettua.
Magdelanye
Keeping ourselves informed about the state of the world behind the headlines, reading accounts of brutal situations, stupefied by facts, we may prefer fiction, where a sympathetic hero can lead us through the carnage to some kind of moral high ground where hope flutters and we can carry on uplifted.
Not so when we are called to witness the erosion of character and the desperate measures people resorted to under the pressures of war. So while I am forced to give 5 stars to this harsh book, for the
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Beka Sukhitashvili
Feb 18, 2014 Beka Sukhitashvili rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: finnish
ისეთივე გაფაციცებით ვკითხულობდი, როგორც ლარსონის ტრილოგიას, თუმცა ეს ნაწარმოები გაცილებით რთული და ჩახლართული იყო. ერთი სული მქონდა გამეგო როლანდისა და იუუდითის ამბავი. ედგარის ტრანსფორმაციებმა ხომ სულ გამასულელა. ასეთ თემაზე ასე საინტერესოდ დაწერილი წიგნი იშვიათია.
ასევე მომეწონა რომანის სტრუქტურა, თუ როგორ ენაცვლება 40-იანი და 60-იანი წლების ამბები ერთმანეთს, რაც წიგნზე მიჯაჭვულს გხდის. ერთ-ერთი საინტერესო მეთოდია, როდესაც სპეციალურად საინტერესო ადგილას წყვეტს მწერალი თხრობას და რამდენიმე ხაზი
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Jean-marcel
This is definitely not escapist literature. It's bleak and cold and there's no justice. Honourable people finish last and collaborators and turncoats bask in the sunlight of Party recognition and are able to pack off enemies or unwanted wives to lunatic asylums, force people into hiding or ensure an arrest by a mere few words exchanged with the right person. Paranoia is a survival mechanism. To be casual in your acquaintances is to be reckless. Family means little. Everyone will misunderstand ev ...more
Bjorn
Jun 07, 2013 Bjorn rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: finland, estonia
When The Doves Disappeared continues the themes from (the rather magnificent) Purge; wartime and post-war Estonia, a small country caught between Nazi Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union. And like Purge, it does so in two parallel timelines, with the story set first in the early 40s as nationalist Estonians welcome the German forces who "liberate" the newly incorporated Estonian SSR, and picking up again in the early 60s as an entire generation has grown up under Soviet rule.

And yet the focus char
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Anastasia Alén
Sep 21, 2016 Anastasia Alén rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: finnish-lit
Beautiful historical fiction. Sofi Oksanen is one of the very few Finnish authors whom I'm always ready to read, she doesn't let me down.
Jeanne Dark
Jul 29, 2013 Jeanne Dark rated it really liked it
Oksanen's words are delicate, fragile and powerful. The story is mesmerising, with a stunning ending. Once you've started to read it, you become addicted.
Tripfiction
Sep 05, 2015 Tripfiction rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Novel set in Estonia (“..a fascinating history of lives in turbulent times..”)

Set in Tallinn and the countryside of Estonia, this novel takes place during the turbulent years of 1941 to 1944 and 1963 to 1965. Before WWII Estonia was an independent country, which then became occupied by the Soviets and the story starts in the thick of a (1941) battle with Estonians fighting the Red Army, just before liberation (as they thought) by the Germans.

We follow the, very different, lives of Juudit and her
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Becky
Jan 29, 2016 Becky rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
An interesting look at a darkly complex piece of European history. The second world war experience in Estonia, as in the other Baltic states and Finland, has striking differences to that of western European states. This takes a look at the differences and ties it up with the personal story of a highly unpleasant machiavellian character, a man who will twist and turn to suit any ideology that will find him a place. The writing is at times a little disjointed and I found the ending deeply unsatisf ...more
Петър Панчев
Войната, предателите и историята, която се пише от победителите
Цялото ревю тук: http://knijenpetar.blogspot.com/2015/...

Много хора вече се запознаха с „Чистка“ на Софи Оксанен, но аз така и не я прочетох. Един ден ще я прочета, защото ме привлича окраската, с която авторката щрихова тържните мигове в историята. Ние, съвременните хора, сме последните победители и поглеждаме с укор тези преди нас. Не ни е необходимо много, за да заклеймим чудовищните несправедливости, описани в учебниците, просто
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Margaryta
Dec 02, 2014 Margaryta rated it it was ok  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: arc, edelweiss
Thank you to Knopf Doubleday for providing me with an egalley copy of the book for review.

I was in Tallinn, Estonia a couple months ago for the first time and fell in love with the country. It’s so rich in culture and history, yet it’s sad to see that much of the world doesn’t pay too much attention to such an intriguing nature. The trip sparked an interest in further learning about their language, culture, and history, so when I saw Sofi Oksanen’s “When the Doves Disappear” I had to request it.
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Iblena
Cuando las Palomas Cayeran Del Cielo muestra el lado más oscuro de la naturaleza humana. En el marco de una Estonia ocupada por el ejército alemán y luego sometida por la unión soviética Sofi Oksanen narra la historia de Edgard, Juudit y Roland y su lucha por la supervivencia. A la vez que relata como el pasado puede ser contado a medias y tergiversado por los vencedores para bien de los intereses ya sea del Estado o los propios.
Ninguno de los personajes es capaz de despertar mucha empatía
Edga
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Helena Halme
Aug 05, 2015 Helena Halme rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Once again Sofi Oksanen excels in making the recent tragic history of Estonia and its people into an engaging and riveting read.

In her previous, much acclaimed novel, Purge, the story follows three generations of women, while in When the Doves Disappeared, we trace the fates of two male cousins, each of whom deals very differently with their lives marred by war, the Red Army’s invasion, the brief but devastating period of German rule, and eventually the Soviet era.

Roland is a passionate freedom
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Liviu
bleak and with no mercy or get out jail cards, the novel is gripping to the end and has a structure that by alternating between the 1941-1945 recently independent Estonia now under the first Soviet occupation followed by German "liberation" (quickly turning into an occupation which is becoming more brutal the more time passes and Germany is losing the war, though in a different way and with somewhat different victims/collaborators) and the 1960's Estonia as a Soviet Republic, poor, with a grayis ...more
Jean Poulos
A number of years ago I decided to read some award winning books from other countries that had been translated to English. I quickly found out how important the translator was to the success of the book in English. I chose this book because of the problems going on in the world in the regions of Estonia, Ukraine, Poland and Finland. Sofi Oksanen is an award winning author and playwright in Finland. Her mother was born in Estonia and her father in Finland. She lives in Finland. She won the 2010 N ...more
Ken Fredette
Jun 22, 2015 Ken Fredette rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
This book made much more sense than her previous book, Purge. We find the Communists in Estonia before WWII then the Germans then the Communists again. There was deception everywhere.
Anniina
Sep 17, 2012 Anniina rated it did not like it
Olipas pettymys kirjaksi, tarina erilainen kun mitä takakannessa ja muutenkin on annettu ymmärtää. Mielestäni tämä oli lähinnä yhden miehen selviytymistarina eri valtojen vaihtuessa. Vuosikymmeneltä toiselle poukkoilu on lähinnä ärsyttävää ja jättää tarinan irralliseksi. Hahmot harvinaisen epämiellyttäviä ja yksitahoisia.
Roger Brunyate
Jun 10, 2016 Roger Brunyate rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: history, ww2
Tangled Loyalties

This is a difficult book to get into, for two reasons: names and history. The author, Finnish-Estonian Sofi Oksanen, introduces her characters by a single identifier—first name, last name, or simply a relationship (brother, cousin, husband, etc.)—and takes a long time to connect these up. But the worst problem is that the history of Estonia in the Second World War is just so darned complicated. It would be hard to learn the facts from this book (although that of course is not it
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Pia
Jan 17, 2013 Pia rated it really liked it
Shelves: 2013
Could hardly put the book down once I started reading it. An interesting look at the history of Estonia and how the occupation by the Germans and Soviet Union was dealt with.
Rachel
Sep 16, 2015 Rachel rated it really liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: 2015
All of the historical context was unstated/implied so I learned a lot about Estonia in WW2. Really well-told story!
verbava
голуби зникли, бо їх з'їли німці. а потім прийшли совєти, але голубів уже було мало, тому довелося домішувати у фарш щурів. це якщо коротко про контекст назви.
історія цікава, але роман з неї вийшов слабший за "очищення", бо дуже вже в ньому все ясно. є главгад, часом аж гротескний у своїй главгадності, на фоні якого інші персонажі виглядають м'якими й пухнастими; є німчура, є совєти, на фоні яких здається, що можна й за німців повболівати, і є п'ять днів незалежності естонії. занадто багато збі
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Matti
Apr 02, 2014 Matti rated it liked it
Ryhdyin lukemaan tätä kirjaa Kerouacin On The Roadin jälkeen, joten eteenpäin kulkeva tarinan rakentelu vaikutti mahtavalta. Kohta kävi kuitenkin ilmi, että ei tämä yhtä hyvä ole kuin Puhdistus. Silti joskus puolenvälin jälkeen kirja veti taas mukaansa. Ajankuva ja rakenne ovat huolella rakennettuja ja monitahoiset henkilöhahmot erilaisine vaikuttimineen uskottavia. Jännitystäkin oli hetkittäin. Sitä olisi saanut olla enemmänkin.

Kirjan loputtua ensimmäinen reaktio loppuratkaisuun oli ”höh.” Ett
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Nyna
Jun 13, 2015 Nyna rated it it was amazing  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction
This book will stay with me for a long time and I will probably read it again. To me, it is a story about loyalty and power. It centers around Edgar, who changes loyalties like a change of shirts, during the succeeding occupations of Russia, Germany, and then the Soviet Union. In the end, the winner (Edgar) writes the history and Edgar's loyalty is only to himself. Roland and Juudit are the other two main characters. Roland is loyal to his homeland and would be considered an idealist, although h ...more
Ian
Apr 10, 2016 Ian rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
Shelves: fiction, wwii, estonia
What would have been your choices, had you been a twenty-something living in Estonia in the 1940s? You live in a country of less than a million people, caught between two giant neighbours ruled by the most ruthless tyrannies in history, who are also fighting the most terrible war in history. The three main characters of this novel, Roland, Edgar and Juudit, each choose a different path. The heroic Roland is an Estonian patriot, who fights both the Russians and the Germans. His cousin Edgar is hi ...more
Barkha
Feb 10, 2016 Barkha rated it liked it  ·  review of another edition
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Sofi Oksanen was born in Finland to a Finnish father and an Estonian mother. In 2010 she won the Nordic Council's Literature Prize for her third novel (originally a play), Puhdistus (Purge).
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