Thud! (Discworld, #34)

Jul 25, 2007 Grace rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy

Samuel Vimes, to me, is the most fascinating character in the discworld series - to watch his growth from a disillusioned drunkard in Guards! Guards! up till the current book - fatherhood! I enjoyed it tremendously. I also enjoyed the idea of having the next generation - with young Sam and Tiffany Aching, and trying to imagine little half-werewolf-half-human-brought-up-as-half-dwarf babies... i truly want to get a peek into the future and see what lies in store for the discworld and ankh-morpork...more

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Mar 22, 2008 Chris Gottlieb added it · review of another edition

Sometimes you gotta shut up and pay attention: Sorry, but when you've entertained, amused and jollied up an entire worldful of sapient entities, you *have* to be allowed every now and then to get a bit serious.

Depends on what makes you laugh, I suppose, but this is not *meant* to be a funny book. Pratchett is doing really serious, relevant and overtly political stuff here. The "funny bits" are no more than the comic relief in the best Shakespearean tradition.

Parallels are everywhere here. You...more

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Feb 22, 2008 Kirsten rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: read-pre-12-07, own, fiction

One of the review quotes on the back of this book says something like, "Terry Pratchett's books are almost always better than they need to be." I think this is a pretty good assessment. If Pratchett's books were nothing more than humorous fluff, I would probably still read and enjoy them, but the added depth of character that he brings to his novels is what keeps me reading them over and over again.

In this enstallment, we find Sam Vimes trying to once again bring a semblance of peace to the chao...more

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Feb 07, 2013 Lachlan Smith rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

The 34th outing in the Discworld series, Thud, is one of Terry Pratchett's finest achievements, for the most part. It's tone is quite different from the other Discworld novels I have read, in that it's theme is far more serious than it's predecessors. It deals with the theme of racial intolerance, in a not-very-thinly-veiled way.
It centres on Sam Vimes, the leader of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch, who finds himself in a very tricky situation when Koom Valley Day approaches. Koom Valley Day is the...more The 34th outing in the Discworld series, Thud, is one of Terry Pratchett's finest achievements, for the most part. It's tone is quite different from the other Discworld novels I have read, in that it's theme is far more serious than it's predecessors. It deals with the theme of racial intolerance, in a not-very-thinly-veiled way.
It centres on Sam Vimes, the leader of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch, who finds himself in a very tricky situation when Koom Valley Day approaches. Koom Valley Day is the commemoration of a terrible battle between the dwarfs and the trolls, that happened many thousands of years ago in, as the name suggests, Koom Valley. However, neither side knows whether it was the dwarfs who ambushed the trolls (or vice versa) in an apparent outbreak of race hatred. Every year the tempers between the level-headed dwarfs and the slow-minded trolls start to flare up, but this year it is different - for the main dwarf advocate turns up dead in an underground mine, hidden under the city.
As the moving finger points, Vimes must discover whether the trolls were the murderers, or whether the dwarfs merely wished to start a war in Ankh-Morpork. But how does all this instability link up to the theft of a fifty-feet long, ten-feet deep painting of Koom Valley painted hundreds of years ago by a man who thought he was a chicken and what is its secret?
I liked the theme of the painting theft in the novel, because its secret is completely unpredictable. I was concerned about this motif, however, because Pratchett has a tendency to sacrifice his integrity for the sake of having an unpredictable plot - however, the secret of the painting was brilliant and intelligent.
I do believe, however, that the ending was anti-climactic, considering the dramatic tone that Pratchett had developed, and seemed just a bit rushed.
I also think that the book deals with another, slightly more concealed theme - that of gender equality. Vimes is forced by the Patrician, Lord Vetinari, to hire the first female Vampire officer in the Watch (which also contributes to the theme of racial intolerance, because no Vampires had been hired previously). Also, the "deep-downer" dwarfs (basically "hard-core" religious dwarfs - which is yet another theme) do not look kindly on female dwarfs that admit their gender (the beards make it hard to tell).
Disregarding the last few rushed pages, I thought that this was a fantastic book, and one of the best Discworld stories.(less)

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Feb 07, 2013 Al rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Once, in a gods-forsaken hellhole called Koom Valley, trolls and dwarfs met in bloody combat. Centuries later, each species still views the other with simmering animosity. Lately, the influential dwarf, Grag Hamcrusher, has been fomenting unrest among Ankh-Morpork's more diminutive citizens—a volatile situation made far worse when the pint-size provocateur is discovered bashed to death . . . with a troll club lying conveniently nearby.

Commander Sam Vimes of the City Watch is aware of the impor

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Nov 17, 2011 Aine rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: sci-fi-fantasy

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Commander Sam Vimes of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch admits he may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer - he may ot even be a spoon. But he's dogged and honest and he'll be damned if he lets anyone disturb his city's always-tentative peace - and that includes a rabble-rousing dwarf from the sticks (or deep beneath them) who's been stirring up big trouble on the eve of the anniversary of one of Discworld's most infamous historical events.

Centuries earlier, in a gods...more DESCRIPTION FROM FLAP
Commander Sam Vimes of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch admits he may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer - he may ot even be a spoon. But he's dogged and honest and he'll be damned if he lets anyone disturb his city's always-tentative peace - and that includes a rabble-rousing dwarf from the sticks (or deep beneath them) who's been stirring up big trouble on the eve of the anniversary of one of Discworld's most infamous historical events.

Centuries earlier, in a gods-forsaken hellhole called Koom Valley, a horde of trolls met a division of dwarfs in bloody combat. Though nobody's quite sure why they fought or who actually won, hundreds of years on each species still bears the cultural scars, and one views the other with simmering animosity and distrust. Lately, an influential dwarf, Grag Hamcrusher, has been fomenting unrest among Ankh-Morpork's more diminutive citizens with incendiary speeches. And it doesn't help matters when the pintsized provocateur is discovered beaten to death...with a troll club lying conveniently nearby.

Vimes knows the well-being of his smoldering city depends on his ability to solve the Hamcrusher homicide without delay. (Vimes's secondmost-pressing responsiblity, in fact, next to being home every evening at six sharp to read Where's My Cow to Young Sam.) Whatever it takes to unstick this very sticky situation, Vimes will do it - even tolerate having a vampire in the Watch. But there's more than one corpse waiting for him in the eerie, summoning darkness of the vast, labyrinthine mine network the dwarfs have been excavating in secret beneath Ankh Morpork's streets. A deadly puzzle is pulling Sam Vimes deep into the muck and mire of superstition, hatred, and fear - and perhaps all the way to Koom Valley itself.

My Commments
I enjoyed this book, although it took me a bit to get into it (I didn't read it in less than one day, I'd had it sitting around half read for a while and just finished it). The last half was better than the first half, though. Or maybe I was just less tired. But by the end, this book was quite enjoyable. The books on the Night Watch seem to be my favorite of the Discworld books I've read. I like Vimes and especially Carrot, and the quirky humor is exactly the type I enjoy.

I think my favorite thing about the series, though, is how Pratchett has created a fantastical world that parallels our own, and through this series can poignantly illustrate the absurdities of our lives. The hatred between Dwarfs and Trolls discussed in this book could be allegorical to so many real conflicts of the sort in our world today - conflicts so old that even those involved have forgotten the original reasons for them.

All in all, a brilliantly done book. Very enjoyable.(less)

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Nov 15, 2010 Maurizio Codogno rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: humour, fantasy, finished

Nella saga siamo arrivati a quota trenta libri (più i cinque definiti "for young readers", probabilmente perché qualcuno si lamentava della troppa prolificità del Nostro). Nel Discworld questa volta ci si trova a rischiare una guerra tra troll e nani, e solo il Comandante Vimes potrà trovare una soluzione, sempre che riesca a venire a patti con il suo Disorganizer con la tecnologia Bluenose™ e a raccontare ogni sera la storiella "Dov'è la mia mucca?" a suo figlio. Ah sì, dovrà imparare a giocare...more

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Jan 15, 2009 Carrie rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

I will try to refrain from asking you all, yet again, why you are not yet reading Terry Pratchett (if indeed, you are not). Whoops, too late. Thud is a Discworld novel, focusing, as most of the more recent books have, on Sam Vimes, the Commander of the Watch in the city of Ankh-Morph, and the troubles that ensue when the ethnic tensions arise between the local Trolls and Dwarfs, who had been generally in peace, despite traditions of enmity between the two groups. Basically, a group of fundamenta...more I will try to refrain from asking you all, yet again, why you are not yet reading Terry Pratchett (if indeed, you are not). Whoops, too late. Thud is a Discworld novel, focusing, as most of the more recent books have, on Sam Vimes, the Commander of the Watch in the city of Ankh-Morph, and the troubles that ensue when the ethnic tensions arise between the local Trolls and Dwarfs, who had been generally in peace, despite traditions of enmity between the two groups. Basically, a group of fundamentalist "deep-down" trolls have arrived in town, preaching about the old ways, and trouble has ensued. Before you roll your eyes at the words Dwarves and Trolls, understand that while these books are set in a fantasy setting, they have little or nothing to do with traditional fantasy fiction. The Discworld books began as satires on classic sword and fairy fantasy novels, and have evolved, over time, to become novels that take on some of the most interesting issues of our times, under the guise of satiric fantasy. Such as, in this case, ethnic prejudice, religious fundamentalism, and the importance of law and justice over revenge. And, the love a father has for his son, gender relations on the police force, the necessity of politics and compromise, and the pretty-woman/jerk syndrome. All these important ideas under the covers of a totally enjoyable page turner - not a heavy novel of ideas. What I am saying is, Terry Pratchett is awesome.

I enjoyed Thud immensely. As always, I found the climax of the thing a teeny bit hard to follow - I don't know if that's because I read the books a wee bit too quickly, or if Pratchett gets so wrapped up in his own ideas and confusing situations that he misses the thread a little bit. I always know what happens at the end, but I have a little bit of a hard time following in the thick of things. Other than that, I loved it - I particularly loved Vimes determination to be home at six every night to read to Young Sam - I got a lump in my throat about it, and I want a copy of Where's My Cow? for my very own.

You really should be ready the Discworld novels. The only hitch is that the more you read the better they are, and the more you get out of them, so the first one might put you a little bit in medias res, and it might take a couple before you are completely up to speed. But it's worth it for page-turning crowd-pleasing fiction that also has something important to say.

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Dec 29, 2008 Lightreads rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fiction, mystery, fantasy, humor

Most recent Watch novel. My very favorite Discworld arc, so I've doled them out carefully to myself over the past few years. This one lives up and then some. Sam Vimes and his men coppers face civil unrest as racial tensions flare between the dwarves and the trolls. Meanwhile a mysterious museum theft may have surprising consequences, there's been a murder, and Vimes must get home by six to read "Where's My Cow?" to his son.

It's a Watch novel – either you know why it's awesome and you're already...more

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Dec 26, 2008 Peter rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

THUD
Terry Pratchet
Doubleday ISBN 0385 608675

Another excellent book in the Discworld series from Terry Pratchet, and another one without chapters. The dwarves and the Trolls have never been friends, rather they have been enemies. Now there are so many of them in the city that trouble is about to occur in Ankh-Morpork. The ONLY one who can sort it out is Commander Vimes of the city Watch (police). This is more that just a war story (well not a war story at all really), it has some good characteris...more

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Apr 02, 2013 Kiri Salazar rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

As an audiobook, there is one word that really says everything I feel about this author and, in particular, this book: splendiferous.

Terry Pratchett is the creator of the best, most intricately-crafted fantasy world ever. Thud is light-hearted, long-sighted, and car-crashingly funny (i.e. humorous to the point of nearly causing a traffic accident while laughing so hard I couldn't see to drive.) I can never read to my child without hearing echoes of the titular book within a book: "Where's my co...more

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Mar 06, 2012 Karen rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy

The origins of the Battle of Koom Valley between the Trolls and the Dwarves is obscure and the subject of much debate, but every year, the anniversary celebrations of the battle spark off tensions between the two communities. This year, this celebration, tensions are rising in Ank-Morpork.

Dwarf extremists are undermining (literally) the city and the Watch is starting to fall apart. When extremist leader Hamcrusher is murdered deep underground in the mines, seemingly by a Troll, Vimes must hold t...more

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Jan 04, 2012 Alyson Farmer rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: audio-book, fantasy, humerous

Terry Pratchett is Brad's favorite author. Brad had one of his new books checked out from the library and wanted to pass it on to me once he'd finished. The book was a newer one, however, and had to be back to the library sooner than I would have gotten around to reading it. Instead I found several options that were on audio book and Brad choose Thud for me to listen to.

There is a very unique humor in this book that I could totally see Brad enjoying. The one time we listened to a few minutes to...more

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Aug 03, 2011 Ben rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Another great Pratchett, another great Watch novel. Plunging Commander Sam Vimes and the Ankh-Morpork City Watch into the policing complexities of the 21st Century. Old grudges on new soil among rival immigrants, racial tension, religious fundamentalism...and the work life balance of a new father. Along with all the usual multicultural comments and jokes about modern life in a metropolis, oh and Nobby's got an exotic dancer as a girlfriend.
This is Terry Pratchett making his most obvoius comments...more

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Oct 28, 2010 Chibineko rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

While I run the risk of sounding like a completely rabid fan of the Discworld series, I do think that it's near impossible for Pratchett to put out a Discworld novel that isn't entertaining in one aspect or another. (Please don't prove me wrong, Terry!)

This particular novel follows Vimes & the Watch as things start heating up around the city. Kooms Valley Day, the day that the trolls & dwarves supposedly had a big war (nobody survived, so nobody knows for sure all of what happened) is ra...more

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Jul 10, 2010 Annii Frazer rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: 2010books, terry-pratchett, discworld

This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here. DESCRIPTION FROM FLAP
Commander Sam Vimes of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch admits he may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer - he may ot even be a spoon. But he's dogged and honest and he'll be damned if he lets anyone disturb his city's always-tentative peace - and that includes a rabble-rousing dwarf from the sticks (or deep beneath them) who's been stirring up big trouble on the eve of the anniversary of one of Discworld's most infamous historical events.

Centuries earlier, in a gods...more DESCRIPTION FROM FLAP
Commander Sam Vimes of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch admits he may not be the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer - he may ot even be a spoon. But he's dogged and honest and he'll be damned if he lets anyone disturb his city's always-tentative peace - and that includes a rabble-rousing dwarf from the sticks (or deep beneath them) who's been stirring up big trouble on the eve of the anniversary of one of Discworld's most infamous historical events.

Centuries earlier, in a gods-forsaken hellhole called Koom Valley, a horde of trolls met a division of dwarfs in bloody combat. Though nobody's quite sure why they fought or who actually won, hundreds of years on each species still bears the cultural scars, and one views the other with simmering animosity and distrust. Lately, an influential dwarf, Grag Hamcrusher, has been fomenting unrest among Ankh-Morpork's more diminutive citizens with incendiary speeches. And it doesn't help matters when the pintsized provocateur is discovered beaten to death...with a troll club lying conveniently nearby.

Vimes knows the well-being of his smoldering city depends on his ability to solve the Hamcrusher homicide without delay. (Vimes's secondmost-pressing responsiblity, in fact, next to being home every evening at six sharp to read Where's My Cow to Young Sam.) Whatever it takes to unstick this very sticky situation, Vimes will do it - even tolerate having a vampire in the Watch. But there's more than one corpse waiting for him in the eerie, summoning darkness of the vast, labyrinthine mine network the dwarfs have been excavating in secret beneath Ankh Morpork's streets. A deadly puzzle is pulling Sam Vimes deep into the muck and mire of superstition, hatred, and fear - and perhaps all the way to Koom Valley itself.

My Commments
I enjoyed this book, although it took me a bit to get into it (I didn't read it in less than one day, I'd had it sitting around half read for a while and just finished it). The last half was better than the first half, though. Or maybe I was just less tired. But by the end, this book was quite enjoyable. The books on the Night Watch seem to be my favorite of the Discworld books I've read. I like Vimes and especially Carrot, and the quirky humor is exactly the type I enjoy.

I think my favorite thing about the series, though, is how Pratchett has created a fantastical world that parallels our own, and through this series can poignantly illustrate the absurdities of our lives. The hatred between Dwarfs and Trolls discussed in this book could be allegorical to so many real conflicts of the sort in our world today - conflicts so old that even those involved have forgotten the original reasons for them.

All in all, a brilliantly done book. Very enjoyable.(less)

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Sep 29, 2009 John Buckler rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Terry Pratchett is a talented writer, who is very clever. He has excellent worldplay between characters (What would you do if I asked you for an outright answer? I'd tell you a downright lie, sir.), without bogging down the whole book in it.

This book is a comical look at a murder mystery in Ankh-Morpork, a town populated by trolls, dwarves, werewolfs, vampires, Golems, gnomes, imps, and humans alike. There are many more species, my favorite being the "Igors," which is ...more Terry Pratchett is...more

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Aug 22, 2009 Sarai rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy, general-fiction, humor, young-adult-fiction, sci-fi

I listened to this as a book on CD. I had never read any other Terry Pratchett books but was familiar with the name because I have shelved quite a few. I was at a branch waiting to observe a YA program and got there a bit early so I was browsing the shelves looking for something to listen to in my car and came across this one.

I LOVED THIS BOOK!!!!!!!!

There was no sense of having missed anything from having not read the other books in the Discworld series; this was really a stand-alone book. The...more

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Jul 11, 2010 Rebecca rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: books-i-own

In all of the "Are you an [X:] or a [Y:]?" questions that have ever been debated, I would suggest that the only one that truly matters is, "Would you rather follow Vimes or Vetinari?" And while I definitely like (if that's even the right word for such a man) Vetinari, in my heart I'm a true Vimes follower, and I was thrilled to a find a new book (well, new to me, I hadn't seen it before at the library) focusing on him. It seems like Pratchett has been trying to visit a lot of the other parts of...more

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Jun 04, 2012 Doreen rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This is the third Terry Pratchett book I've read, and the first that a) wasn't a children's novel, and b) was part of his Discworld series. I feel that I've significantly short-changed myself by not getting around to reading his works sooner. Mr Pratchett has an extraordinary talent for writing sharp satire that masquerades as comic fantasy, and Thud! is no exception. There are so many topics that he broaches so well, but the only one I think relevant for this review is the matter of the Summoni...more

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Jan 01, 2012 R rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: Every single person on the planet

Shelves: fiction, fantasy, magic-powers, mini-book-wants

Well, here's a no-brainer. A fantasy book with a grumpy and unwillingly badass policeman? A comedy with underlying important race issues? Yes please.

Thud! was the first Pratchett that I read, and the first book I ever had which actually fitted in my handbag of the time (I've now got a decent book-sized one). As such, the gold is almost gone from the cover, the pages are falling out, and the covers themselves are battered beyond saving. I must have read this book at least 25 times, if not more....more

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Jul 01, 2009 Bryan Murdock rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

So hard to describe the Discworld novels. On the surface they are hilarious parodies set in a zany fantasy world. It seems like the the more recent ones, like this one, have also started mixing in more serious and and inspiring themes as well. I wonder if I just missed those in the earlier ones that I read.

Anyway, if you like British humor you'll like any Discworld book. Aside from being outrageous and funny, this one explored racial tensions, the rule of law, flying horse-drawn carriages, work...more

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Mar 15, 2013 Inga rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: fantasy

Thud!
That's the sound of a club hitting a helmet (or a troll's head).
And the name of a game with counters representing dwarfs and trolls.
And the title of this novel by Terry Pratchett.

A long time ago dwarfs and trolls fought a serious battle in Koom Valley. Nobody knows who started it, nobody really knows who won. When a dwarf gets murdered in Ankh-Morpork shortly before the anniversary of the battle, Commander Sam Vimes of the City Watch is going to see it fought again. There are a lot of diffi...more

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Mar 16, 2012 Jon rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

There are very few authors who can balance so many different elements of writing like Terry Pratchett. In "Thud," he takes a seemingly simple act (the theft of a famous painting) and makes it socially relevant. Yes, the book is funny, and there are a lot of exciting sequences. But this book is also quite poignant in its exploration of rage, prejudice, and paternal responsibility. I find it refreshing how Pratchett can so easily transition from frantic moments of action to moments of incredible d...more

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Apr 28, 2011 Geoffrey Cubbage rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition Recommends it for: anyone who needs a quick, light read

Not my first time through this one, but I have a knack for forgetting Terry Pratchett plots immediately after finishing each book. I suspect that's because there's always some highly-symbolic twist in the last fifty pages that I'd just as soon pretend wasn't there. I hadn't remembered the one in Thud!, and it was just as forgettable the second time around.

Chalk it up as another good Terry Pratchett novel. There's some hand-waving about Grand Concepts in the final stretch like always, and the res...more

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Dec 14, 2011 Maurinejt rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Thud is a little too uneven to be Pratchett's *best* work. Race relations are a worthy topic, but it wasn't really attacked with the same fervor you find in other books. The main story keeps the page turning with wit and humor but you don't get the real scope of the work until the end.

HOWEVER. Thud has the honor of containing one of the most poignant reoccurring bits in all of Discworld, and for that it is a must read. When I went to reread Thud, I didn't remember the plot at all. Maybe somethin...more

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Dec 02, 2008 Mike rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This is my first entry into Discworld (I had no idea it was in the series when I bought it). I've really enjoyed Terry Pratchett's books before; they're always funny and entertaining, if a bit meandering. And they particularly work when you want your fantasy with an extra slice of "crazy", since things usually start out weird and head downhill from there. For this one, I definitely was caught up in fast-moving plot and large cast of characters, but I can't say that the logic of his world made mu...more

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Dec 23, 2011 Fiona rated it 4 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: gentleman-detectives, politics-exclamation-mark, warning-magic-ahead, oh-you-clever-author-you

Oh, he's good. He's very good. Sam Vimes and the City Watch is the only Discworld arc that I don't think I've ever tired of two thirds of the way through a book, and I'm so glad I picked this one up. It's a very well-crafted whodunnit, with a rich and complicated backdrop and a well-rounded and thoroughly interesting cast. The pace is spot on. The parallels to the real world, and the Serious Issues, while undeniably serious and difficult, are not particularly in-your-face or preachey. Well, may...more

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Jun 12, 2012 Melanie rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

The anniversary of the battle of Koom Valley, an ancient conflict between the Dwarfs and the Trolls, is coming up, and tension in the city of Ankh-Morpork is rising. Commander Samuel Vimes can smell trouble, and he'll do anything to keep the city safe. When a rabble-rousing Dwarf is murdered, the Dwarfs immediately blame the Trolls, and it looks like blood will wash through the city. Not with Vimes and the rest of the Watch on the case. A sinister secret from the depths is working its way into t...more

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Aug 15, 2012 Laura rated it 5 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: social-criticism, religion, popular-fiction, political-commentary, fantasy, comedy

There is a surprising gravitas to THUD! that marks it out from the rest of the Discworld series. Despite never losing sight of his trademark humour and mysticism, it is one of Pratchett's most politically serious works. In it, he really tackles multiculturalism for the first time, and takes a particularly hard swipe at religious fundamentalism.

Consistently exploring the theme of an "internal darkness", THUD! draws uncomfortable parallels with our own world, and forces the reader to examine what...more

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