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The Italian Secretary
by
Caleb Carr
Mycroft Holmes's encoded message to his brother, Sherlock, is unsubtle enough even for Dr. Watson to decipher: a matter concerning the safety of Queen Victoria herself calls them to Edinburgh's Holyrood House to investigate the confounding and gruesome deaths of two young men--horrific incidents that took place with her highness in residence. The victims were crushed in a
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Paperback, 338 pages
Published
May 2nd 2006
by St. Martin's Paperbacks
(first published 2005)
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The Italian Secretary is a pretty sweet piece of Sherlock Holmes apocrypha. There have been a number of attempts to write Holmes by authors other than Doyle, and those attempts have achieved varying degrees of success -- some dreadful and some impressive. Caleb Carr's attempt falls between these extremes, although it is tilted more toward the impressive end of the teeter-totter.
Carr does a fine job of capturing Holmes' rhythms and personality, and one never feels like one's reading a false Sherl...more
Carr does a fine job of capturing Holmes' rhythms and personality, and one never feels like one's reading a false Sherl...more
Number one, the translation caused me a headache.
The translation aside, this book is disappointing: the case might be 'sensational' and 'sadistic', but the way the case is solved did not satisfy me. I think that there are still questions left unanswered. And seriously, those ghosts are unnecessary, something like disturbing Holmes' world of logic. The ghosts would fit a Professor Challenger story, but in Italian Secretary it only boiled down to raised eyebrows (of the reader, which was me, that...more
The translation aside, this book is disappointing: the case might be 'sensational' and 'sadistic', but the way the case is solved did not satisfy me. I think that there are still questions left unanswered. And seriously, those ghosts are unnecessary, something like disturbing Holmes' world of logic. The ghosts would fit a Professor Challenger story, but in Italian Secretary it only boiled down to raised eyebrows (of the reader, which was me, that...more
Conflicted thoughts here. Short version: Style is good, Watson's authorial voice is good, general overview of the plot is good. However, using Mycroft as a character still has problems, the spiritual / ghost angle ends up being lame IMHO, and - worst of all- the last quarter of the book has too many silly things and dumb yet irrelevant plot turns. Silly in a bad way. The final confrontation is also... bah.
So... rewrite the last quarter of the book to get the same point across but with less idioc...more
So... rewrite the last quarter of the book to get the same point across but with less idioc...more
I actually enjoyed the story of the book. It was quite entertaining.
Now, what first called my attention was the cover. I was going to buy the book even if it wasn't about Sherlock Holmes because I liked the contrast of color on the cover and I like mysteries.
I liked how, as in other new Holmes novels there is a small introduction, something as to why we're reading this now. I liked the constant references to the original stories, comparisons to the characters found there and things like that.
I...more
Now, what first called my attention was the cover. I was going to buy the book even if it wasn't about Sherlock Holmes because I liked the contrast of color on the cover and I like mysteries.
I liked how, as in other new Holmes novels there is a small introduction, something as to why we're reading this now. I liked the constant references to the original stories, comparisons to the characters found there and things like that.
I...more
Dari ketiga buku Sherlock Holmes setelah karangannya Sir Arthur Conan Doyle yang kupunya, buku ini adalah yang paling mendekati sempurna. Konon buku ini ditulis atas permintaan dari estate-nya Sir Arthur sendiri kepada Caleb Carr. Ceritanya tentang pembunuhan brutal di Istana Holyrood, dan Holmes dipanggil khusus untuk membantu Ratu Victoria di Skotlandia oleh kakaknya sendiri, Mycroft Holmes, orang penting di balik layar pemerintahan Inggris.
Deduksi cepat ada, kepercayaan diri khas seorang Sher...more
Deduksi cepat ada, kepercayaan diri khas seorang Sher...more
Nov 07, 2012
Doris
rated it
3 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
history addicts, history students
Shelves:
historical-fiction
This story is based on the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle stories about Sherlock Holmes, and includes both Holmes' famous sidekick, Dr Watson, and a new-to-me character, Mycroft Holmes, brother to Sherlock. The three are attempting to discover the truth behind a centuries-old "haunting" in infamous Holyroodhouse, the castle where Queen Mary lived and was abused by her husband. This palace is the official residence of the British Monarch while said personage is in Scotland, so unsolved and mysterious mur...more
Any author who dares to assume that his readers have an attention span that exceeds fifteen or twenty seconds has succeeded in capturing my attention no matter what the subject pursued. Caleb Carr treats English as if it is tool for the conveyance of precise information and not as if it were a bludgeon to be used to beat the reader into submission. His prose is elegant and precise, with slang terms used to emphasize characterization and to provide particular flavors and tones to conversation.
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Architect Sir Alistair Sinclair and his foreman, Dennis McKay, have been slain in the midst of rehabilitating the medieval west tower of the Royal Palace of Holyrood--the very wing where Mary, Queen of Scots, had lived, and where David Rizzio had met his brutal, politically motivated end.
The Italian secretary of the title is David Rizzio, an actual historical figure, murdered more than 300 years before the book starts. An intimate, and perhaps more, of Mary Queen of Scots, he was stabbed at lea...more
The Italian secretary of the title is David Rizzio, an actual historical figure, murdered more than 300 years before the book starts. An intimate, and perhaps more, of Mary Queen of Scots, he was stabbed at lea...more
I had such high hopes for The Italian Secretary by Caleb Carr. My husband surprised me with it just after I had started to renew my addiction to Holmes and had read several mentions of it at the Sherlock Holmes Social Network.
Of course, those mentions were not generally favorable, but the setting of a murder at the Royal Palace of Holyrood in Edinburgh, Scotland sounded so inviting. Here’s the basic plot: After several assassination attempts on Queen Victoria, Holmes and Watson are brought to Ho...more
Of course, those mentions were not generally favorable, but the setting of a murder at the Royal Palace of Holyrood in Edinburgh, Scotland sounded so inviting. Here’s the basic plot: After several assassination attempts on Queen Victoria, Holmes and Watson are brought to Ho...more
Jan 30, 2011
Lisa
rated it
1 of 5 stars
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review of another edition
Shelves:
2011-reading-list,
mystery-suspense
It's always difficult when you read a book that an author has written in a style faithful to an original work. There's often a sense of forced effort in bringing that different voice out; it's too easy to go over the top in attempting to recreate a style that is not the author's own.
In this case, Carr does tap into the expected Sherlock Holmes plot points, with the usual conclusions drawn from observation and mentions of previous cases, and the Watson created is generally well done.
Honestly, I d...more
In this case, Carr does tap into the expected Sherlock Holmes plot points, with the usual conclusions drawn from observation and mentions of previous cases, and the Watson created is generally well done.
Honestly, I d...more
I was a huge fan of the "The Alienist" and its prequel "Angel of Darkness," so I had very high expectations for this book. While Carr does a good job of capturing the voice and style of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and masterfully describes the haunting bleakness of nineteenth century Scotland, I find Carr's own style, set forth with such skill in "The Alienist" and "Angel of Darkness," much more engaging. Somehow, "the Italian Secretary," never really drew me in. The characters felt one-dimensional a...more
I loved "The Alienist," passed it around my family, so I had really high expectations for Carr's take on Holmes. I have never been so disappointed! I hated this book so much by page 50 that I started writing post-it notes to myself and slapping them on the most offensive pages.
Page 83: Why are we still on the damn train!? We've spent 50 pages sitting. On a train. I know Mycroft's a big ol' potato, but Sherlock should have to stretch his legs. And what of Watson's leg wound?
Page 94: Lord Francis?...more
Page 83: Why are we still on the damn train!? We've spent 50 pages sitting. On a train. I know Mycroft's a big ol' potato, but Sherlock should have to stretch his legs. And what of Watson's leg wound?
Page 94: Lord Francis?...more
Picking up his pen and writing a Sherlock Holmes story, as have so many authors since ACD published his collection so many years ago, Carr’s editorial comments in his early chapters seem to suggest that he is using this device in part to create a narrative about terrorism and the domestic response to it, no surprise given his concern about this issue that resulted in his non-fiction work of 2002, The Lessons of Terror, a work that I found troubling in its implications, espousing as it did preemp...more
I enjoyed Caleb Carr's The Italian Secretary. Any Holmes fan big or small can appreciate the effort put forth by Mr. Carr in this enjoyable novel penned as a "further adventure of Sherlock Holmes" The story takes place in the ghost infested Holyroodhouse which was the castle of the ill fated Mary Queen of Scots. A cryptic message from Mycroft Holmes protrayed here in a rather unpleasant light as the bigger less able brother of Sherlock sends Dr. Watson and Mr Holmes hurtling towards Edninburgh....more
This book seemed to go by quite quickly. It was good--having read Carr's two other history mysteries (The Alienist and Angel of Darkness) I was confident in this book; there was not the uncertainty I sometimes feel when reading a continuing-Holmes book by an unknown author.
However, I'm not sure Carr's writing style translated completely well to a Holmes story. The case was confusing--halfway through, I had to struggle to remember what the actual problem was. The characters themselves were maybe...more
However, I'm not sure Carr's writing style translated completely well to a Holmes story. The case was confusing--halfway through, I had to struggle to remember what the actual problem was. The characters themselves were maybe...more
I have only read one Conan Doyle Sherlock Holmes story before, The Hound of the Baskervilles. Spotting The Italian Secretary in a secondhand bookshop, I picked it up because it was written by Caleb Carr, and I didn't really notice it was a Sherlock Holmes story until I got home.
Caleb Carr was a great choice to write a further adventure of Sherlock Holmes. His own novels The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness are about a Victorian detective too although this time in New York, and he certainly had...more
Caleb Carr was a great choice to write a further adventure of Sherlock Holmes. His own novels The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness are about a Victorian detective too although this time in New York, and he certainly had...more
This is an artful emulation a Conan Doyle escapade with Holmes and Watson, but it felt a bit tedious to me. The murders of two people on the grounds of the Holyrood castle of Mary Queen of Scotts raises suspicions that they relate to domestic or international plots against Queen Victoria, but the multiple wounds of the bodies bears a spooky resemblance to murder of Mary�s Italian secretary believed to haunt the castle. Carr does an admirable job with the diction and sensibilities of our beloved...more
I have always liked Caleb Carr’s books (both fiction and nonfiction), and I love Sherlock Holmes stuff, and Richard is of the same mind as me on Carr and Holmes. So when Richard found this unabridged audiobook, we both decided that it would be good to listen to on our vacation, and so it was; we both enjoyed it immensely.
All good Sherlockania is in the voice of Doctor Watson, and so this book is; the book starts in Baker Street, with a crytic telegram from Holmes’ older brother Mycroft, demandin...more
All good Sherlockania is in the voice of Doctor Watson, and so this book is; the book starts in Baker Street, with a crytic telegram from Holmes’ older brother Mycroft, demandin...more
As someone who used to dabble in the world of fan fiction, I've always been baffled by the resistance of some authors to fan-originated treatments of their characters. I understand the standard response: Works of literature are the author's bread and butter and to allow someone else to encroach on the same territory cheapens the original product, the way a faux Gucci bag sold on a New York City street cheapens the original Gucci brand. But I think there is a fundamental flaw in that logic, at le...more
Carr has a good handle on Holmes, Watson and Mycroft, unfortunately the story is really uneven and doesn't so much get resolved as kind of wander to a conclusion.
The epilogue back in LOndon felt pretty weak as well.
Nice use of history and a good start, but the payoff is a letdown.
Hearing that this was originally begun as a short story for a new Holmes anthology makes sense and I think it would have worked better as a short story or novella.
The epilogue back in LOndon felt pretty weak as well.
Nice use of history and a good start, but the payoff is a letdown.
Hearing that this was originally begun as a short story for a new Holmes anthology makes sense and I think it would have worked better as a short story or novella.
The Italian Secretary is a solid Holmesian pastiche.
Certain aspects of the story didn't work for me. Part of this is a question of personal taste; I prefer to see all of the secondary characters who orbit Sherlock's star in play, and to observe the unique chemistry that results from this mix. Although Mycroft Holmes receives delightful attention here, Mrs. Hudson receives little, and the Scotland Yarders none at all.
Part of this, however, is due to what appears to me to be a serious shortcomin...more
Certain aspects of the story didn't work for me. Part of this is a question of personal taste; I prefer to see all of the secondary characters who orbit Sherlock's star in play, and to observe the unique chemistry that results from this mix. Although Mycroft Holmes receives delightful attention here, Mrs. Hudson receives little, and the Scotland Yarders none at all.
Part of this, however, is due to what appears to me to be a serious shortcomin...more
Caleb Carr was commissioned by the estate of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle to write a book that could be considered the official "further adventures of Sherlock Holmes" and so he set out to recreate Conan Doyle's original style in all its Victorian glory. And I think that for the most part Carr has succeeded: the language, the sentence structure, and the general "feel" of the original stories are faithfully recreated in Carr's book, and although he can't resist adding a few more gory details than Victo...more
I got about three quarters of the way through the book before realizing that I'd read it before some years ago. Normally, I'd blame this on my own shoddy memory, but I think this is a case of the book just not being very memorable. While the book isn't bad, per se, Carr adds nothing to the Holmes canon.
His characterization is merely adequate. Holmes seemed strangely passive, while Carr was clearly more interested in Watson. It's nice that he found more for him to do than stand around dumbfounded...more
His characterization is merely adequate. Holmes seemed strangely passive, while Carr was clearly more interested in Watson. It's nice that he found more for him to do than stand around dumbfounded...more
I picked this up in paperback at the thrift store recently (our thrift has a huge book selection and is dirt cheap). I enjoyed The Alienist a lot and I have become very interested in Caleb Carr's father recently due to his beat connections. This book is actually approved by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's estate and it's easy to see why. The style is impeccable and a real tribute to the original Sherlock Holmes stories. Carr is a historian and it shows--lots and lots of great detail and all of the char...more
Sherlock Holmes mendapatkan telegram bersandi dari kakaknya, Mycroft. Dalam telegram itu Sherlock Holmes dan sahabatnya, Dr. John Watson, diminta untuk menangani kasus yang aneh dan misterius di Holyroodhouse, salah satu kastil kediaman Ratu Victoria di Skotlandia. Dari luar kasus itu tampak seperti kasus biasa, yaitu kematian Sir Alistair Sinclair dan Dennis McKay, dua orang yang bertugas merenovasi salah satu sayap kastil tersebut. Namun, Holmes bersaudara berpendapat hal itu bukanlah kematian...more
I have read and very much enjoyed Caleb Carr's two Laszlo Kreizler novels, so looked forward to this book, his treatment of Sherlock Holmes. Apparently, Carr was approached by a representative of the Conan Doyle estate to write this novel. It is very respectable, as far as non-Conan Doyle stories go. But I just read Lyndsay Faye's Dust and Shadow and found it much more satisfying.
Carr's portrayal of the Holmes/Watson relationship is just a bit different than Doyle's. I felf that Carr gave Watson...more
Carr's portrayal of the Holmes/Watson relationship is just a bit different than Doyle's. I felf that Carr gave Watson...more
This was a quick read but I thought it wasn't very well thought out.
There were minor details mentioned that were brought in later on - but because they were in one line of dialogue, I missed the first time. Maybe I wasn't a thorough-enough reader, but there were a lot of times I found myself flipping back through the pages trying to figure out what was going on. (I.e. trying to keep track of where the Queen was - Edinburgh or Balmoral) Also why was Miss McKenzie hiding? Gah.
The mystery was solve...more
There were minor details mentioned that were brought in later on - but because they were in one line of dialogue, I missed the first time. Maybe I wasn't a thorough-enough reader, but there were a lot of times I found myself flipping back through the pages trying to figure out what was going on. (I.e. trying to keep track of where the Queen was - Edinburgh or Balmoral) Also why was Miss McKenzie hiding? Gah.
The mystery was solve...more
This book takes the bronze of the three Caleb Carr's that I have read so far. I would not be terribly surprised if the next book I read by him knocks The Italian Secretary out of medal contention completely. I really enjoyed The Alienist and The Angel of Darkness and I liked the second half of this one, but the first part of this book seemed as if Carr was trying too hard to be Arthur Conan Doyle. His writing was convoluted and confusing at first and caused me to lose my focus, however as the bo...more
The Italian Secretary is a story intended for Holmes fans, I think, and less for the Carr fan only casually acquainted with the World's Greatest Detective.
The darkness which permeates Carr's well-respected (and deservedly so) Kreizler novels is not as evident here. The story and characters resemble those of a typical work in the Holmes canon. Clearly, this is a book by one who loves Holmes and his milieu, who has found himself compelled to contribute to the vast wealth of apocrypha.
The writing s...more
The darkness which permeates Carr's well-respected (and deservedly so) Kreizler novels is not as evident here. The story and characters resemble those of a typical work in the Holmes canon. Clearly, this is a book by one who loves Holmes and his milieu, who has found himself compelled to contribute to the vast wealth of apocrypha.
The writing s...more
'The Italian Secretary' is the latest big-name pastiche in the world of Sherlock Holmes. Unfortunately, it is not very good.
Carr's writing style is ponderous and his sentences and paragraphs are wordy. This tale originally started out as a short story for inclusion in 'Ghosts in Baker Street' and the author turned into a seperate novel.
It was a poor decision. There is barely enough substance to make a novella, and it certainly is thin for a novel. The plot is rather simple, with Holmes' belief i...more
Carr's writing style is ponderous and his sentences and paragraphs are wordy. This tale originally started out as a short story for inclusion in 'Ghosts in Baker Street' and the author turned into a seperate novel.
It was a poor decision. There is barely enough substance to make a novella, and it certainly is thin for a novel. The plot is rather simple, with Holmes' belief i...more
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Caleb Carr is an American novelist and military historian. The son of Lucien Carr, a former UPI editor and a key Beat generation figure, he was born in Manhattan and lived for much of his life on the Lower East Side. He attended Kenyon College and New York University, earning a B.A. in military and diplomatic history. He is a contributing editor of MHQ: The Quarterly Journal of Military History an...more
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