The Dinner
by
Herman Koch
Paul Lohman and his wife Claire are going out to dinner with Paul's brother Serge, a charismatic and ambitious politician, and his wife Babette. Paul knows the evening will not be fun. The restaurant will be over-priced and pretentious, the head waiter will bore on about the organically certified free-range this and artisan-fed that, and almost everything about Serge, espe...more
Paperback, 309 pages
Published
July 25th 2012
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(first published 2009)
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Feb 28, 2013
karen
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Shelves:
distant-lands,
sshh-family-secrets
so this is probably a safe bet for people who liked Gone Girl. in other words, not you, richard. but it is not nearly as twisty and satisfying as g.g., methinks.
it has the moral bankruptcy of Gone Girl, the shallow people, banal small talk and heavily-done descriptive elements of American Psycho, and the "we are here to talk about our delinquent kids but it isn't going to go well" scenario of The God of Carnage. and why yes, i have only seen the film adaptation, thank you for asking.
the whole t...more
I'm a huge fan of books that explore how far we'll go for those we love, particularly our children. When Hogarth Publishers agreed to send me the e-galley of The Dinner I was ecstatic. It's due to be published in the states in February 2013.
This is a book that begs eating metaphors so I'll try to spare you but it won't be easy.
The Dinner is laid out in courses, from aperitif to digestif and is excellently plotted. You learn early on that this dinner is not the typical happy family outing. Brot...more
This is a book that begs eating metaphors so I'll try to spare you but it won't be easy.
The Dinner is laid out in courses, from aperitif to digestif and is excellently plotted. You learn early on that this dinner is not the typical happy family outing. Brot...more
Mar 13, 2013
Random House of Canada
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5 of 5 stars
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I'm not quite sure what to say about this book without spoiling it. It is the kind of book that is staying with me, though. I keep thinking about the characters and their choices. The way the author reveals key details slowly and not chronologically really made the story have a huge impact. If you read this book, you're going to want to talk about it!
~Ainsley
P.S. See a spoiler-free gif review here.
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I'm going to have to echo everything Ainsley's said abou...more
~Ainsley
P.S. See a spoiler-free gif review here.
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I'm going to have to echo everything Ainsley's said abou...more
Hated this book! It felt contrived and stilted. I didn't like any of the characters. I couldn't identify with any of them. None of the dialogue was believable. The situation was farcical (why would you go to a super-expensive, elite restaurant to talk about such a private matter?). The whole book was about protecting the kids from their own actions - their was no sense of personal responsibility, no remorse, no soul searching. The narrator was a violent thug who just whined incessantly the whole...more
The Dinner by Herman is certainly a quirky and entertaining read and if you like dark, quirky and different then this one may be for you. I really enjoyed this novel, it certainly packs a punch.
Take two families, a dinner setting and a couple dangerously delinquent sons and a very disturbing act of criminality that has shocked the nation and you have yourself the plot of a very well written novel.
A word of warning! Not every reader is going to love this one...............so if you dislike storie...more
Take two families, a dinner setting and a couple dangerously delinquent sons and a very disturbing act of criminality that has shocked the nation and you have yourself the plot of a very well written novel.
A word of warning! Not every reader is going to love this one...............so if you dislike storie...more
I understand comparing a book to Gone Girl will push sales, so yay for that comparison plastered on every The Dinner reference. But seriously, motherfuckers, this novel is more like Flynn's Sharp Objects and, in my eyes, better than Gone Girl. So let's stop talking about Gone Girl, even though I liked that book, because, you know, there are other books in the goddamn universe and I'm trying to review one as we speak.
The Dinner's main character is an angry, reflective guy out at a restaurant with...more
The Dinner's main character is an angry, reflective guy out at a restaurant with...more
The scene is set, a dinner for four in a Dutch restaurant. The characters are two brothers with their wives.
Many things shall become unraveled in this meeting of sorts a satirical meeting of parents on a dilemma a gruesome discovery that could almost put you off your desert or their desert, will they eat their desert? Well you'll have to find out.
If some dark truths come to light one brothers political campaign may be at risk, decisions and a four course meal to stomach leaves no room for playti...more
Many things shall become unraveled in this meeting of sorts a satirical meeting of parents on a dilemma a gruesome discovery that could almost put you off your desert or their desert, will they eat their desert? Well you'll have to find out.
If some dark truths come to light one brothers political campaign may be at risk, decisions and a four course meal to stomach leaves no room for playti...more
The Wall Street Journal has tagged The Dinner as ‘the European Gone Girl’. I beg to differ and I think that this book should more appropriately be tagged ‘the European Defending Jacob'...but hey who am I to question The Wall Street Journal! The Dinner tells the story of two families, the parents of which meet each other over dinner one evening in an exclusive restaurant in Amsterdam. At the heart of the story is a horrific crime which both sons within each family hold equal responsibility.
Koch h...more
Koch h...more
My biggest question after reading this captivating story, is why did so many readers only rate this 3 stars? I even read several reviews to try to figure this out. However, I couldn't find a single reason, so will chalk it up as one of those books that make people react strongly. Even though there are a lot of 3 star reviews, the reviewers have strong feelings about the book, strong "meh" feelings.
Me? I really liked the book, but will qualify that with saying the narrator of the audiobook had a...more
Me? I really liked the book, but will qualify that with saying the narrator of the audiobook had a...more
I really detested every character in this book (with the exception of Serge, him I just disliked). I hated the ending with every fiber of my being. I found myself wanting to put it down numerous times, and I felt physically ill when I realized where the ending was going....and yet I didn't hate the book itself. I actually went back and forth about whether to give it three stars or four stars for quite awhile. If it was possible I would give it 3 1/2 stars, so lets just say I did.
I am going to l...more
I am going to l...more
What initially interested me in Herman Koch's The Dinner was this review in The Economist, which labels the book a "beach read" and later describes the experience of reading it with a mealy metaphor: "The reader does not rise from his table happy and replete so much as stand up suddenly, pale and reeling." I thought it was an odd combination - breezy yet repellant? Leisurely-paced but a page turner? But both are true -- I felt fairly queasy when I was done.
Here's the basic premise of The Dinner....more
Here's the basic premise of The Dinner....more
First book that I have rated so highly even though I did not like any of the characters. This is a book of moral complexity narrated by an unreliable narrator, who at first seems to take the politeness and political correctness out of all conversations at dinner. He does this basically inside himself, not outside where any can hear but he is extremely skeptical of almost everything. From the beginning the reader knows this is not going to be a lighthearted dinner between siblings, the tension is...more
The Dinner (English version for me)
Last month, the woman behind the counter at Lemuria Books in Jackson, Mississippi said that this book was the best of her recent pre-publication reads. After we talked about it a bit, I knew I wanted to read it hot off the press.
2/12/13: Cheers! Dinner begins...
2/24/13: Wow. Just finished. Now I'm reading review comparisons to Gone Girl. Hmmmm....maybe? In a claustrophobic, restaurant enclosed setting. There are similarities in the nasty people involved in bot...more
Last month, the woman behind the counter at Lemuria Books in Jackson, Mississippi said that this book was the best of her recent pre-publication reads. After we talked about it a bit, I knew I wanted to read it hot off the press.
2/12/13: Cheers! Dinner begins...
2/24/13: Wow. Just finished. Now I'm reading review comparisons to Gone Girl. Hmmmm....maybe? In a claustrophobic, restaurant enclosed setting. There are similarities in the nasty people involved in bot...more
Pretentious rot and Dutch version of Gone Girl only with sociopaths and food.
Unpalatable.
I know. That was too easy. And smug.
Sorry.
Unpalatable.
I know. That was too easy. And smug.
Sorry.
Here is an example of the avenue more authors need to explore in contemporary literature. Stop imitating, stop trying to write for the best seller list, for goodness sake please stop writing about lust driven beings, don't worry about whether your characters are likable, but rather create a real, believable and above all interesting story that gets people talking. This is what Herman Koch has attempted with his novel The Dinner and it is why I applaud him.
If you want a book with enjoyable charac...more
If you want a book with enjoyable charac...more
A "grab you by the knickers" novel...the narrator, however unreliable, has you from the start!
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
Tolstoy aside, this family is a myriad of contradictory facades.
"Food doesn't matter much in novels. Years will pass in a person's life without a single description of a snack. Not a moment between adverbs for a taco. No wonder so many characters in contemporary fiction are glum: They're not hopeless; they're hungry.
Dutch au...more
Two brothers and their wives meet for dinner in a posh restaurant in Amsterdam. During this dinner, they discuss trivialities trying to avoid talking about the crime committed by their sons.
I see this book referred to as a thriller and I would not categorize it this way. For me, it was a psychological study of how far parents are willing to go to protect their children. This is a topic that is universal in its ability to disturb. It is very easy to choose the ethical position UNTIL you love a c...more
Audiobook:
Okay, I have to agree with the other reviews who gave poor reviews. The whole thing started out mildly intriguing with a man and his wife meeting up in a fancy restaurant with his brother and sister-in-law to discuss "the children" over dinner. I wondered what "the children" could have done to warrant this guy meeting up with these people who from the get-go make him uncomfortable enough to want to spend an enormous amount of time in the men's room taking detailed notes of everything a...more
Okay, I have to agree with the other reviews who gave poor reviews. The whole thing started out mildly intriguing with a man and his wife meeting up in a fancy restaurant with his brother and sister-in-law to discuss "the children" over dinner. I wondered what "the children" could have done to warrant this guy meeting up with these people who from the get-go make him uncomfortable enough to want to spend an enormous amount of time in the men's room taking detailed notes of everything a...more
When I was little I had to sit at the dinner table until I at least tried the stewed tomatoes. That was a horrible dinner. I hate stewed tomatoes. That's pretty much the end of my dinner story. Take the same subject, dinner, and put it in the hands of Herman Koch and you have quite a different tale.
Two brothers, Serge and Paul Lohman, and their wives, Babette and Claire, meet at a restaurant in their native Amsterdam that requires a several months long wait for reservations (unless you're Serge...more
Two brothers, Serge and Paul Lohman, and their wives, Babette and Claire, meet at a restaurant in their native Amsterdam that requires a several months long wait for reservations (unless you're Serge...more
The Dinner is a simple book on the familiar topic of family secrets and the extremes we go to in keeping them. The story unfolds over a restaurant dinner at an upscale Dutch eating establishment. I loved the organization of the story and the forward momentum which had me finishing this short book in just three sittings. I am a consummate foodie and the descriptions of the hypocritical restaurant culture were some of the best parts of the book for me. I also liked the schaden freude social commen...more
Wow.
Update: This starts off fairly light with the narrator (and you will soon find out is as unrealiable as all get-out) snarking about having dinner at an expensive restaurant with his brother, a man most likely to be the next prime minister of The Netherlands (the book takes place in Amsterdam, although the setting could be any metropolitan area).
At first this reminded me of Stewart O'Nan's books with his meticulous detail of family life and its issues but there were soon hints of the darkne...more
Update: This starts off fairly light with the narrator (and you will soon find out is as unrealiable as all get-out) snarking about having dinner at an expensive restaurant with his brother, a man most likely to be the next prime minister of The Netherlands (the book takes place in Amsterdam, although the setting could be any metropolitan area).
At first this reminded me of Stewart O'Nan's books with his meticulous detail of family life and its issues but there were soon hints of the darkne...more
This book has one of the best “unreliable” narrators I have read. The narrator did an excellent job of using his opinion of the other main characters, notably his wife, his brother and his wife, to influence how I would feel about the characters before I met them. The format of the book is based on the courses you would have at an upscale restaurant. The two couples are meeting to discuss what needs to be done about a despicable act that their sons have committed. Over the course of the meal, I...more
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Not as shocking or mysterious as praise had led me to believe, but still well-written and entertaining. There are twists to the story, I suppose, they're just not the kind of twists to leave you breathless, with your heart pounding madly and questions running through your head. They're not obvious twists, neither are they ones I could have never guessed were coming, they just sort of confirmed what I already suspected about the characters and their motivations.
The characters are three-dimensiona...more
The characters are three-dimensiona...more
The Dinner is about two families that come together to have dinner. At first, you don't know why they've come together because they discuss such normal things like movies, places they're gonna go for vacation, etc. But when the main course arrives, the reason for coming together is discussed - their kids.
After reading this premise, I knew I had to read it. It sounded so eerie, and I had to know what their kids did to bring them together. Barely anything was explained in the premise, so I was li...more
After reading this premise, I knew I had to read it. It sounded so eerie, and I had to know what their kids did to bring them together. Barely anything was explained in the premise, so I was li...more
An engaging and absorbing work of contemporary fiction which has been likened to "We Need to Talk About Kevin".
Two sets of middle-class parents, two brothers and their wives, meet at an expensive, somewhat pretentious restaurant for an important discussion. The parents have recognised their respective sons in some CCTV footage of a brutal crime, which is shown on television. One of the fathers is about to run as Prime Minister of Holland, the other is his resentful, belligerent brother and the d...more
Two sets of middle-class parents, two brothers and their wives, meet at an expensive, somewhat pretentious restaurant for an important discussion. The parents have recognised their respective sons in some CCTV footage of a brutal crime, which is shown on television. One of the fathers is about to run as Prime Minister of Holland, the other is his resentful, belligerent brother and the d...more
It occurred to me at the end of this story – this is a fascist novel. Not in the sense that the author is fascist or anything of the sort, but rather like pointing to a certain book and recognizing that it is a feminist novel, or a queer novel, or a Southern novel, or what have you. In 'The Dinner' we have a story in which the narrator through a long illuminating story, reveals to the reader the picture of what a secret contempt of all things “weak” or “inferior” -- formulated into an ideology a...more
There is something – well, downright appetizing about The Dinner, although ultimately, you may wish for something just a bit more meaty. It’s full of totally unlikeable and morally bankrupt characters and told by an absolutely unreliable narrator but if you’re like me, you’ll want to linger with it through dessert and afterwards.
The premise: two brothers, Paul and Serge, and their wives, Claire and Babette, meet for dinner one evening in an exorbitantly pricey and pretentious restaurant in the h...more
The premise: two brothers, Paul and Serge, and their wives, Claire and Babette, meet for dinner one evening in an exorbitantly pricey and pretentious restaurant in the h...more
This book will be published in English by Hogarth Press in May 2013. The edition I'm reading is not listed here on Goodreads yet.
This book defines "unreliable narrator" and while it gets off to a slow start and you think, "Oh, another yuppie/bobo book where people eat fine meals", before too long, it pretty much knocks you over the head with disturbing images and plot. It was totally insidious the way this book worked on me. Not exceptionally written (or perhaps it was in the translation) but t...more
This book defines "unreliable narrator" and while it gets off to a slow start and you think, "Oh, another yuppie/bobo book where people eat fine meals", before too long, it pretty much knocks you over the head with disturbing images and plot. It was totally insidious the way this book worked on me. Not exceptionally written (or perhaps it was in the translation) but t...more
The only thing I knew going into this book was it was a story about a dinner between two brothers and they needed to talk about their children. You, too, should only know that going into this and enjoy the ride. Although, enjoy is a relative term; perhaps take the ride on a winding road and see where it takes you. Just when you think the curve goes to the right, there will be something in the road and you will have to go left.
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Herman Koch (1953) is known as a television producer and a writer. The book 'Het diner', published in 2009, was his breakthrough in the Netherlands. It was published in 17 countries. It was partly based on a true story involving a homeless woman named, María del Rosario Endrinal Petit, in Barcelona (Spain), in December 2005.
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“The first thing that struck you about Claire’s plate was its vast emptiness. Of course I’m well aware that, in the better restaurants, quality takes precedence over quantity, but there are voids and then there are voids. The void here, that part of the plate on which no food at all was present, had clearly been raised to a matter of principle.
It was as though the empty plate was challenging you to say something about it, to go to the open kitchen and demand an explanation. ‘You wouldn’t even dare!’ the plate said, and laughed in your face.”
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It was as though the empty plate was challenging you to say something about it, to go to the open kitchen and demand an explanation. ‘You wouldn’t even dare!’ the plate said, and laughed in your face.”

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