His Illegal Self
by
Peter Carey
When the boy was almost eight, a woman stepped out of the elevator into the apartment on East Sixty-second Street and he recognized her straightaway. No one had told him to expect it. That was pretty typical of growing up with Grandma Selkirk . . . No one would dream of saying, Here is your mother returned to you.
His Illegal Self is the story of Che—raised in isolated priv...more
His Illegal Self is the story of Che—raised in isolated priv...more
Hardcover, 272 pages
Published
February 5th 2008
by Knopf
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Jan 16, 2008
Magdalena
rated it
5 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
just about anyone - it's an easy, fast read, but very well written
Recommended to Magdalena by:
I read everything Carey writes!
Che Selkirk is a boy whose parents, members of the increasingly violent Students for a Democratic Society, have both disappeared, leaving him with his very rich grandmother. At the age of eight, a woman that Che recognises as his mother suddenly arrives and kidnaps him, taking him from New York to Australia. This is how the book begins, and Che’s adventure through hunger, love and loss becomes almost a coming of age tale as he starts to understand who he is and where his future lies.
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Peter Carey's usual mix of something a little bit mysterious and criminal, and something ironically funny, His Illegal Self is a great little comical romp involving an inadvertent kidnapping. Che (He insists on being called "Chay" whereas his grandparents call him "Jay") is snatched from his wealthy grapndparents' custody by a friend of his outlaw mother ostensibly for a short visit. When the mother unexpectantly dies, the friend, an Ivy League student from Australia named "Dial", panics and tak...more
loving this book
written with such emotion i want to reach and hug or smack the characters far too frequently
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i really enjoyed this book. it was so easy to connect with the characters in this book - like or hate them
the story is about a woman who steals a child in America, kind of by accident and then lands up on the run with him, in Australia.
the book very beautifully shows the relationship between this woman and the boy, as well as the relationships they both have with the odd hippies th...more
written with such emotion i want to reach and hug or smack the characters far too frequently
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i really enjoyed this book. it was so easy to connect with the characters in this book - like or hate them
the story is about a woman who steals a child in America, kind of by accident and then lands up on the run with him, in Australia.
the book very beautifully shows the relationship between this woman and the boy, as well as the relationships they both have with the odd hippies th...more
Jun 08, 2009
Lacey
rated it
1 of 5 stars
Recommends it for:
Those not obsessed with punctuation marks
Shelves:
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I had the exact opposite problem with this book that I did with the last book I read. The problem with this book is that the story is good. It's interesting, if a bit cliche, but it takes some turns that intrigued. The problem is the writer is not a terribly good writer.
I know it's in vogue not to use quotation marks, but if you're virtually incapable of distinguishing between your characters' voices, it's probably necessary. It's not that the character's were unbelievable, but they seemed to al...more
I know it's in vogue not to use quotation marks, but if you're virtually incapable of distinguishing between your characters' voices, it's probably necessary. It's not that the character's were unbelievable, but they seemed to al...more
Worthy of another Booker prize?
No.
Fascinating with some literary merit?
Yes.
Carey tells this tale mainly from two characters' perspectives: a boy/son/grandson, Che or Jay, and a mother/kidnapper/revolutionary, Dial or Anna. Confused? Try reading the novel. The prose isn't necessarily dense, but it often demands rereading phrases or sentences in order to interpret what, exactly, is happening in the novel. Carey never uses quotation marks, which, surprisingly, isn't the cause of the confusion. He,...more
No.
Fascinating with some literary merit?
Yes.
Carey tells this tale mainly from two characters' perspectives: a boy/son/grandson, Che or Jay, and a mother/kidnapper/revolutionary, Dial or Anna. Confused? Try reading the novel. The prose isn't necessarily dense, but it often demands rereading phrases or sentences in order to interpret what, exactly, is happening in the novel. Carey never uses quotation marks, which, surprisingly, isn't the cause of the confusion. He,...more
I don't often get to the point when I decide I can't read anymore but I did with His Illegal Self. I had been looking at this book for a long time and finally picked it up to read. What I found was extremely confusing. Who is the boy? Who is his mother? Is his father really the Che? How is the grandmother involved? Is his mother really his mother or someone else and what or who is she hiding from? Then the mother sacrifices herself but did she really? The story jumps around locations and time pe...more
Peter Carey's latest novel tells the story of eight-year-old Che, the son of SDS radicals long since gone underground for crimes against the state, who is cared for by his wealthy grandmother. When the grandmother regretably gives Che over to a young woman the boy believes to be his mother, events spiral out of control and before you can say "g'day" the boy finds himself living on a hippie compound in a fecund corner of Australia. Carey handles the child's perspective quite well and the characte...more
Mar 30, 2009
Karen
added it
Interesting book--While I thought some of the plot aspects were far-fetched, I was compelled to keep reading to the end. Rich language, interesting settings, emotional impact (at least for me). Peter Carey's books tend to stay with me even when I find some aspects of them difficult or jarring.
A love Letter To Nature, March 1, 2008
"With our protagonists no longer on the run, it finally becomes apparent what this novel is really about. It is a love letter to nature, and to the Australian wilderness in particular. Through the characters of this boy and woman, both cosseted urbanites who find themselves forced to live against their will in a tough, back-to-the-soil community, both of whom slowly and reluctantly come to terms with their changed circumstances, Carey pays moving homage to...more
"With our protagonists no longer on the run, it finally becomes apparent what this novel is really about. It is a love letter to nature, and to the Australian wilderness in particular. Through the characters of this boy and woman, both cosseted urbanites who find themselves forced to live against their will in a tough, back-to-the-soil community, both of whom slowly and reluctantly come to terms with their changed circumstances, Carey pays moving homage to...more
Carey, Peter. HIS ILLEGAL SELF. (2008). ****. Carey is an excellent writer, having twice won the Booker Prize for fiction. This novel is no exception. It is the story of a young boy caught between two cultures and alternative sets of parents. His biological parents are active in some facet of a revolutionary underground, constantly in hiding, and wanted by the police. Their son, Che (or Jay), now lives with his grandmother in New York’s upper East Side. The grandmother hires a part-time caretake...more
I was halfway through this book before I fell in love with it. The first half - I fought with the narrator. Who the hell is telling this story anyway? It’s part boy and part kidnapper. Part memory and part here and now. Part dreamy and part all-too-real reality. Part stinky-hairy armpit and part old-money, ivy-league’s the only way – martini breath. And then – deep in the bush of Australia – with penises peaking at me like mushrooms I was captured by Peter Carey’s lovely prose.
Generally audio books add a new dimension to the pleasure I get from a well-told story. In the case of this book, the opposite is the case. The story is told in a series of flash-forward/flash-back narratives and it's hard to keep track of when a particular event is supposed to have happened. I don't fault the author - I'm sure there were ample clues and indicators in the written book. I can't fault the narrator - at least, not without knowing what direction he was given. I have to assume that t...more
This protagonist of the novel is Che Selkirk, an eight year old boy, the son of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) activist parents. Che lives with his grandmother, an upper class American woman. His activist parents are absent, being on the run from the FBI having been involved in violent activities. Che’s life is comfortable and peaceful; decidedly maintained that way by his grandmother who has kept him away from the television, shielding him from all the disturbing news of his famous par...more
Peter Carey is one of the few authors whose works I've read in their entirety. I've enjoyed some very much and others were blown away by. I think he should get at least as much attention and fame as Ian McEwan. However, "His Illegal Self" is a misstep. The novel reads like a draft--something quick and dirty that Carey had to get out to the publisher in order to fulfill a contract having already spent the advance.
There's nothing to hold on to in this book--if character makes plot then there's no...more
There's nothing to hold on to in this book--if character makes plot then there's no...more
It's just chance that I read two Peter Carey novels in a row. While I appreciated the difference in period and setting between this and Parrott & Olivier, I found His Illegal Self to be a lesser work. A young boy named Che lives in New York in the '70s with his wealthy grandmother, who has raised him after gaining custody from his Sixties radical mother. The bulk of the story concerns what happens when Anna (aka Dial) arrives to take Che to see his mother. Plans change, and the two end up in...more
I found the characters' voices very confusing in the first few chapters of this novel by Pater Carey.
I have had a mixed relationship with this author. Years ago he was my preferred author and I lapped up the wonderful tales in Fat Man in History, Illywacker & Oscar & Lucinda. By History of the Kelly gang he had pretty well lost me. So when I was struggling with the opening of His Illegal Self I almost put it aside. The dialogue is spoken without quotation marks and two voices can be hear...more
I have had a mixed relationship with this author. Years ago he was my preferred author and I lapped up the wonderful tales in Fat Man in History, Illywacker & Oscar & Lucinda. By History of the Kelly gang he had pretty well lost me. So when I was struggling with the opening of His Illegal Self I almost put it aside. The dialogue is spoken without quotation marks and two voices can be hear...more
Looking through some of the Goodreads reviews on this book shows a real diversity of experiences. Even the story itself is a thing in question. Carey has jammed a lot of ambiguity into His Illegal Self and it starts in the first chapter.
I jumped into this and became totally bewildered. After about 40 pages I assumed the fault was mine so I put the book down and started again some days later. But it is bewildering, it's not me. About as confusing as an eight years old being kidnapped by a fake mu...more
I jumped into this and became totally bewildered. After about 40 pages I assumed the fault was mine so I put the book down and started again some days later. But it is bewildering, it's not me. About as confusing as an eight years old being kidnapped by a fake mu...more
This book had some potential as it took place in both the US and Australia as the author has spent loads of time in each country. And actually when talking about both those countries, he did a very good job at writing about them, which is rare because usually the author is only familiar with one of the places they are writing about and it ends up crappy, but this one was good. But that is the only thing that was. I didn't care about the plot at all. It was about some Dude who had hippie parents,...more
I'd happily read anything Carey has written. This wasn't my all-time favorite, but it was still a fantastic read. Carey does a magnificent job of doling out tiny pieces of information at a time, letting the reader puzzle characters and events together (in a way that apparently irritates some people). Isn't this how life works, though? There are layers of complexity to people and things that take time for us to unravel. In the book, it serves to build some pretty intense mystery and suspense. Car...more
I didn't know whether to add this to my "Couldn't Finish" shelf or my "Read" shelf. I started reading the book and while I think that the author is a good writer (this is another one of those books from the top whatever of 2008 that just didn't grab me - perhaps I'm not deep enough for these books), the plot both bored and confused me. It was much like "The Confessions of Max Tivoli", in that I knew it was supposed to be good, so I went to Amazon to read the bad reviews. Since the bad reviews ag...more
I will not finish reading this book in protest of the CHEAP novelist's tactic of introducing a beloved pet only to kill it later for emotional effect. For once, can't we have a puppy or kitten that makes it through the whole story and is last seen curling comfortable in its bed at the end of the novel? I can only hope a stingray's barbed tail pierces your cold, cold, kitten-hating heart, Peter Carey, and that this book shows up on remainder shelves very soon.
I am a huge Peter Carey fan - huge. I can't tell you how disappointed I was in this book. I couldn't see the character, I couldn't find the voice, I didn't see the connections, and don't get me to talk about the ending, how predictable. I'm sorry, Peter, but I don't want you to use bits of your old books either!
I will give an extra star to the place they end up living and the grandmother. Both of these are well described and alive, for me.
I will give an extra star to the place they end up living and the grandmother. Both of these are well described and alive, for me.
3/9/2011: Peter Carey has an amazing imagination. I've read only two of his books (he's written at least 15 novels), but it becomes clear quickly that he's very good at taking a "What if..." and letting his imagination turn the answer to that question into a story. In this novel, Che/Jay, the 7-year-old son of two radical Harvard students of the 1960s, is being raised by his grandmother in Park Avenue style. Then the message comes through from the mother (who is underground) that she wants to se...more
This was a riveting amazing book! I was so surprised by the twists and turns and riveted by the political aspects as well as the relationships that came up in the book. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in fiction about the student demonstration/protest movements of the late 1960s-early 1970s like Weather Underground and SDS, but even if you aren't interested in hippies or revolutionaries, it was really well-written.
One of the more unique aspects to the storytelling is that you hear a...more
One of the more unique aspects to the storytelling is that you hear a...more
Feb 05, 2009
Bookmarks Magazine
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The mother-son relationship forms the heart of Peter Carey's new novel, and critics agreed that the touching bond that develops between the two gives the book its merit. Carey packs a strong emotional punch as he explores Dial's conflicted view of motherhood and Che's desperate love, attachments, and doubts. No less compelling are Carey's sparkling descriptions of the Australian outback. The majority of reviewers, however, felt that the novel bogs down in the middle with the introduction of an A
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Like a political manifesto, His Illegal Self is filled with moments of transcendent brilliance that will make you go "Aha!" and, quite possibly, change your world view.
Also like a manisfesto however, this tale of the young son of American radicals is just as often a record of the author's quirks and idiosyncracies.
Peter Carey is the Man Booker Prize-winning Australian author of Oscar And Lucinda (1988) and True History Of The Kelly Gang (2001), and his distinctive writing style -- no quotation...more
Also like a manisfesto however, this tale of the young son of American radicals is just as often a record of the author's quirks and idiosyncracies.
Peter Carey is the Man Booker Prize-winning Australian author of Oscar And Lucinda (1988) and True History Of The Kelly Gang (2001), and his distinctive writing style -- no quotation...more
It seems like an unfair complaint, but I think I would like this better if it wasn't by Peter Carey. What I usually enjoy most in his novels is the combination of detailed places and events (whether historical or fantastic) with philosophical engagement of cultural politics. His Illegal Self doesn't really develop that interpretive layer. It suggests the possibility of larger questions about 1960s radicalism, commune culture, and class conflict, among other provocative subjects, but doesn't do m...more
Jul 26, 2011
Stuart
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I gave up on this book. It seems to be one of those books that delights in making it as difficult as possible for the reader to follow the story. First, we have no punctuation marks on the conversations. OK, I can put up with that if I must. Then we have the chapters being told from different viewpoints (the child or “the mother” – who appears not to be the mother) without making that clear. OK, so I can get used to that as well, once I realize what’s going on. But add to that the time-slicing n...more
I gave this book four stars as I could not put it down and enjoyed reading it. However, having said that I felt quite underwhelmed by the ending and now feel quite dissatisfied with the whole book in general.
I have never read a Peter Carey book before and found that I enjoyed his writing style and use of language so I think I shall have to read a few more now.
I liked that it was a complex story told in a very simple way so as not to let the reader get too drowned in what they believed was righ...more
I have never read a Peter Carey book before and found that I enjoyed his writing style and use of language so I think I shall have to read a few more now.
I liked that it was a complex story told in a very simple way so as not to let the reader get too drowned in what they believed was righ...more
I almost stopped reading this book. I went so far as to remove my bookmark...literally 5 seconds later I was trying to find my place. The lack of quotation marks or anything at all to let you know that someone was speaking was incredibly distracting, but that in and of itself is not why I gave this book 2 stars. I just didn't GET it. I couldn't identify with any of the characters and I just very sorry for the boy. He wasn't abused or neglected. Instead he was uprooted and lied to and thrown into...more
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Peter Carey was born in Australia in 1943.
He was educated at the local state school until the age of eleven and then became a boarder at Geelong Grammar School. He was a student there between 1954 and 1960 — after Rupert Murdoch had graduated and before Prince Charles arriv...more
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Peter Carey was born in Australia in 1943.
He was educated at the local state school until the age of eleven and then became a boarder at Geelong Grammar School. He was a student there between 1954 and 1960 — after Rupert Murdoch had graduated and before Prince Charles arriv...more
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