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When America First Met China: An Exotic History of Tea, Drugs, and Money in the Age of Sail
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Eric Jay Dolin (Goodreads Author)
Brilliantly illuminating one of the least-understood areas of American history, best-selling author Eric Jay Dolin now traces our fraught relationship with China back to its roots: the unforgiving nineteenth-century seas that separated a brash, rising naval power from a battered ancient empire. It is a prescient fable for our time, one that surprisingly continues to shed l...more
Hardcover, 416 pages
Published
September 10th 2012
by Liverght (division of W. W. Norton)
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Someone please tell me Dolin did NOT just defend foot binding after giving a graphic and nauseating description of the process.
The book is highly readable and written in a very non scholarly fashion even though it is footnoted and sources listed in the back. Dolin's style is chatty and laconic with just a touch of humor. The title is a little misleading since the POV switches to the British when he approaches the Opium War of 1844. Dolin also talks about the human trafficking that went on betwee...more
The book is highly readable and written in a very non scholarly fashion even though it is footnoted and sources listed in the back. Dolin's style is chatty and laconic with just a touch of humor. The title is a little misleading since the POV switches to the British when he approaches the Opium War of 1844. Dolin also talks about the human trafficking that went on betwee...more
Very, very interesting overview of America's early relations with China from the American Revolutionary period through most of the19th century. This book offers a very informative history lesson that offers an insight as to how China reponded to the rush in trade between, not only America, but also much of Europe.The feudal methods employed by the Chinses including the way they "looked down" on Westerners and peoples from other Asian nations. America got a late start in trading with the Chinese,...more
Dolin has done an admirable job of shedding light on a fascinating aspect of American history about which we do not often hear. We have in this book an engaging cultural and social history, as well as an economic one. Yes, Dolin focuses on the exchange of goods in trade between the China and the West, beginning in the late 18th century and following the thread through to the start of the 20th century, but the stories here are so much broader than that. Dolin works from the perspective gained fro...more
Eric Jay Dolin's book When America First Met China is an important look back at U.S. China relations. The book, complete with detailed end notes, spans the years from the American Revolution to just after the U.S. Civil War and recounts the story of U.S. trade relations with the Middle Kingdom.
There can be no question that relations with China will take special focus in the years to come and will be influenced by our past dealings.
While America was not the central player in dealing with China...more
There can be no question that relations with China will take special focus in the years to come and will be influenced by our past dealings.
While America was not the central player in dealing with China...more
This one's a highly readable, richly researched, and deeply sensitive narrative of a period of history of which most are largely ignorant. Dolin looks most closely at trade with China roughly from the 1780s to the 1870s. Some of this is soaring stuff: with clipper ships and Sinomania. But there's also the dark side: the Opium War(s), the coolie trade, and plenty of cultural arrogance to go around. It's saddening and infuriating to read accounts of abuse of the lowest class Chinese, peoples explo...more
Very informative and a definite recommendation for anyone who has any interest in learning about the formative years of trade between China and America. Really sheds light on how/why our trade has evolved into what it is today between China and America.
I must say I wasn't able to really get into the first few chapters. There was so much information being bounced around in different orders that it was a bit overwhelming. I don't mean to imply it should be elementary history level, but I feel it c...more
I must say I wasn't able to really get into the first few chapters. There was so much information being bounced around in different orders that it was a bit overwhelming. I don't mean to imply it should be elementary history level, but I feel it c...more
Brilliantly illuminating one of the least-understood areas of American history, best-selling author Eric Jay Dolin now traces our fraught relationship with China back to its roots: the unforgiving nineteenth-century seas that separated a brash, rising naval power from a battered ancient empire. It is a prescient fable for our time, one that surprisingly continues to shed light on our modern relationship with China. Indeed, the furious trade in furs, opium, and b che-de-mer a rare sea cucumber de...more
I received this book as a part of the Goodreads giveaway program. It was an Advanced Reader Copy and was an uncorrected proof prior to publication. This was the first book by this author that I have read.
The book was enjoyable because I like both history and anything related to the sea. The author did a good job of detailing the intracacies of trade between China and America with a good deal of British influence thrown in as well. I was particularly interested to see the similarities between the...more
The book was enjoyable because I like both history and anything related to the sea. The author did a good job of detailing the intracacies of trade between China and America with a good deal of British influence thrown in as well. I was particularly interested to see the similarities between the...more
This was an easy, interesting book about trade between the US (really, the western world, including Britain) and China between the late 1700s and early 1900s.
You meet interesting characters from every side: American trade merchants, American captains, British captains, Chinese traders and Chinese bureaucrats. The stories about life in Canton - where all trade between China and the West took place was good, though not AS detailed as I've read in similar books.
The impact of Chinese goods on Americ...more
You meet interesting characters from every side: American trade merchants, American captains, British captains, Chinese traders and Chinese bureaucrats. The stories about life in Canton - where all trade between China and the West took place was good, though not AS detailed as I've read in similar books.
The impact of Chinese goods on Americ...more
Jan 21, 2013
Ms.pegasus
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review of another edition
Recommends it for:
historians and readers with a serious interest in the period.
The China trade conjures exotic images: Graceful clippers like the Sea Witch and the Flying Cloud; the import of silk, fine porcelain, furniture and artwork; the port of Canton bustling with foreign ships and traders intermingled with Chinese junks and sampans, and Canton's “golden ghetto.” Author Eric Jay Dolin explores the economic underpinnings of that era through an extensive reading of primary sources. His story focuses on America's involvement, which began immediately after the conclusion...more
A good description of the initial phases America's trade with China. After the Revolutionary War China was one country that was open to American traders, with enormous profits to be made on successful voyages. Even in these days, however, the world ran an account deficit with China, which continues to this day. The book ends with the Opium Wars of the mid 19th century, which are still much in the minds of the Chinese today when they negotiate with the West. A good summary of the subject.
Dolin has illuminated a subject on which I was pretty much in the dark—America’s early commerce with China. The biggest revelation for me was the direction of the opium trade. Prior to reading this work I thought that China exported opium, but now I know this was not the case. The Opium War was a series of battles fought by England against China in 1840 in which the British Navy proved far superior to the Chinese. The purpose of these battles was to stop the Chinese from enforcing their own laws...more
A gift from my daughter "the librarian". A very interesting story of the history of America's trade with China as well as a bit of British history as well. The subject was excellent but the book written like a collage professor talks. In the hands of a Simon WInchester the story would have come alive. It was another piece of the China reading puzzle that I am working on to better understand the CHina we see today.
A solid read. Interesting to note that Chinese copying of patented & copy-written materials goes back to the very beginning of our trade with them. Of course they were directed and paid to so by American merchants. I would have liked more Chinese history and society woven into the work. Almost all of the perspective comes from US or Brit citizens. Of course, there may not be much access to original Chinese documentation of the period.
Keep in mind that very few Chinese actually show up here--but that is part of Dolin's argument as I read it. Contact with people rather than with products was limited. I felt mixed about how much time he spent discussing the British but I guess it is inevitable under the circumstances since what they did shaped what we did (and could do) in relation to China.
I got this book as a Goodreads giveaway. I don't usually read this type of historical book, but, being a recent resident of Salem, I thought it would give me some insight into the cities' history. At one time, Salem was the wealthiest city in America, due to the China trade. I did not learn much about Salem, but did learn a great deal about China and its history. I really enjoyed the book. The maps and illustrations helped.
This is history at its finest! Dolin is incredibly gifted at crafting together a coherent and compelling story. I was already aware of some elements of this story like the opium wars, but there were many new details and everything was tied together beautifully. I look forward to reading Dolin's other books as well.
I read this to get a better understanding of some Amitov Ghosh books, namely River of Smoke, although the facts gave a little insight to Sea of Poppies as well. In the last few pages, Dolin kind of scolds people for not knowing more about the Opium Wars. Which I guess is why he spent so much time on them without providing much contextualization from the American perspective (mostly from the British perspective). But mentions in the end that it is important to understand the Opium Wars because it...more
Would like to give it 3.5 stars.
For a historical, non-fiction book it was really quite good. Not as dry as it could have been. I thought it was well written and I'm sure it helps that I am very interesting in Chinese history as well. Understanding the history definitely helps me understand a little more where we stand now with China.
For a historical, non-fiction book it was really quite good. Not as dry as it could have been. I thought it was well written and I'm sure it helps that I am very interesting in Chinese history as well. Understanding the history definitely helps me understand a little more where we stand now with China.
Mr. Dolin has written an informative history of the China Trade from it's inception right after the Revolutionary War through the turn of the nineteenth century. When writing about the more interesting periods, the book flows smoothly while at other times it seems draggy and repetitive. I believe that this is a book that should be read because of it's excellent coverage of America"s involvement in the opium trade, the Opium War(s) an the coolie trade. Most Americans know little about these thing...more
Interesting to consider how politically impotent the Chinese emperors were at cracking down on the opium trade in the south, despite all good intentions. There was, at the same time, an obsession with herbs, especially ginseng, that were known to have aphrodisiac effects. How could a country with so much sexual prowess in one domain, completely lose it in another?
Also, the biology of the silkworm production is pretty fascinating - how they fed off of a certain type of tree native to northern chi...more
Also, the biology of the silkworm production is pretty fascinating - how they fed off of a certain type of tree native to northern chi...more
If you are looking to know a bit more about the early relationship, this is a great book. In depth coverage of many of the pioneers of trade with China, political conditions, and the bad behavior of the opium trade / wars. Did you know Abe Lincoln made it illegal to transport Chinese immigrant labor on American ships?
Loved the book, I really think it should be read in our schools. It is easy to read and it holds your attention. You want to keep turning the pages. I learned more about that time in history and understand more what is happening today with trade because of this book. I highly recommend reading of this book.
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