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05/22/08

Read in May, 2008

I'm often kept up at night brooding on my troubles, wishing I could find some solace that would help me sleep. But now I know that the best way to keep insomnia at bay is to get out of bed, hitch up my chariot, tie the corpse of my mortal enemy to the back, and drive around for a few hours, dragging him, until I cheer up and can go back to sleep. The Iliad is unmatched, in my reading, for works that describe the bloody, ridiculous, selfish lengths people will go in order to feel better....more I'm often kept up at night brooding on my troubles, wishing I could find some solace that would help me sleep. But now I know that the best way to keep insomnia at bay is to get out of bed, hitch up my chariot, tie the corpse of my mortal enemy to the back, and drive around for a few hours, dragging him, until I cheer up and can go back to sleep. The Iliad is unmatched, in my reading, for works that describe the bloody, ridiculous, selfish lengths people will go in order to feel better. The sticks and stones fly (and gouge out eyes, smash skulls, slash livers and veins until the blood sprays--this poem is definitely not for the squeamish), but the real weapons of the Trojan War are name-calling, cheating at games, and stealing your best buddy's girlfriend or mixing bowl or ox. Most of the action occurs when somebody gets his feelings hurt, the baddie won't apologize, and the sensitive one throws a fit, which can involve letting all of his friends die while he gets an olive-oil massage, or else razing a city, raping the women, and joyriding over other men's bones. The Iliad suggests that even at its most glorious, war can be advocated only by people with the emotional lives of spoiled four-year-olds.

Indeed, most people are like spoiled four-year-olds, and truisms like that have resulted in some very tedious books and movies, but the Iliad is never tedious, or rather, only ever horrifically tedious (more on that below), first because it's good art, and secondly because, while many artists have stated, "My emotional life is a shambles," Achilles' emotional life results in the destruction of the rules of engagement, of "civilized" warfare, and of a civilization itself: babies thrown from ramparts, old men cut down at their altars, generations murdered, while Zeus snickers. The Iliad demands that the individual reflect on his or her engagement with the world at large, and the world is not a comfort zone: is it okay to decimate a town, in retaliation for your best friend's death? (Yes.) When you're kidnapped from home and thrown to the soldiers for sexual sport, are you supposed to be grateful? (Yes, and cook them some cheese to show it.) When a man murders your son and desecrates his corpse, what will the gods, to whom you and your son have given many, many sacrifices, do to help you out? (Send you groveling to kiss the murderer's hands, give him some fancy shirts, and have him treat you to some barbecue.)

What else does The Iliad say? That every life matters, and every death. The poem is a rolling casualty list, in which every man who dies has a name, a home, friends, and family who love or mourn or curse or disown him, sometimes a specified quantity of livestock who wonder where he is at milking time. Characters are introduced only to be killed, but their deaths are unique, and nobody dies without causing a change in the fortunes of his comrades or enemies, mostly by precipitating their own deaths. This is where the tedium comes in, but it's a harrowing kind of tedium: gruesome deaths, piled on, can cease to move Achilles, Agamemnon, or us, but they don't stop happening just because we've ceased to pay attention.

And what else? That war can make for great poetry. Fagles' translation is awesome (apart from a couple infelicities--the first "So help me" was hilarious. The fourth one was a little old). The verse is crisp, lucid, immediate, and very, very violent: the accessibility of the syntax and vocabulary make you read faster and faster, so the terrible scenes come upon you like an onslaught, entrails flying, chariots mowing people down, goddesses getting punched in the boobs, and behind it all the ever-present weeping. Egad....less

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Andrew rated it:

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08/28/08

Read in August, 2008

What is not to like about The Iliad. In terms of dramatic and epic intensity, it is a stunning work, particularly in light of its antiquity. Once again, in comparison to other ancient literature--say, Gilgamesh--the richness, humanity, and complexity of Homeric literature is stunning. Passages of brutal violence and interspersed by heartrending glimpses into ancient ties that bind. Take for example Patroclus' killing of Thestor. Homer goes into full extended metaphor mode: "And next he went...more What is not to like about The Iliad. In terms of dramatic and epic intensity, it is a stunning work, particularly in light of its antiquity. Once again, in comparison to other ancient literature--say, Gilgamesh--the richness, humanity, and complexity of Homeric literature is stunning. Passages of brutal violence and interspersed by heartrending glimpses into ancient ties that bind. Take for example Patroclus' killing of Thestor. Homer goes into full extended metaphor mode: "And next he went for Thestor the son of Enops / cowering, crouched in his fine polished chariot, / crazed with fear, and the reins flew from his grip-- / Patroclus rising beside him stabbed his right jawbone, / ramming the spearhead square between his teeth so hard / he hooked him by that spearhead over the chariot-rail, / hoisted, dragged the Trojan out as an angler perched / on a jutting rock ledge drags some fish from the sea, / some noble catch, with line and glittering bronze hook. / So with the spear Patroclus gaffed him off his car, / his mouth gaping round the glittering point / and flipped him down facefirst, / dead as he fell, his life breath blown away." The specificity of the violence is perhaps what is so unsettling--the spear through the jawbone, the moth gaping around the shaft, Thestor's fear at the approach of Patroclus. But the violence is delivered mater-of-factly, clinically, even through Homer's metaphor of a fisherman getting a catch. And though there may be a darkly comic sense to this metaphor to us--comparing the killing of a man to fishing--the grim reality of the Homeric metaphor is its rootedness in reality. Fishing was a part of survival, as was warfare and death. By transfiguring Patroclus into an angler, the violence is domesticated. Compare this with a more literally domestic moment as Hector meets his wife and child briefly in between fighting. "In the same breath, shining Hector reached down / for his son--but the boy recoiled, / cringing against his nurse's full breast, / terrified by the flashing bronze, the horsehair crest, / the great ridge of the helmet nodding, bristling terror-- / so it struck his eyes." Here the innocent child has what we would think a more properly modern reaction to the miltarized father. Hector, in his battle gear and horsehair helmet, looks monstrous to his son. And we might be inclined to agree with him, as the barbarity of the war and the violence we're shown throughout make us cringe, but then Hector and Andromache's response is telling of their world: they laugh. They laugh at the silly naivete and innocence of their son that he would be scared of his father in his armor. And then Hector, takes off his helmet, lifts his son in the air, and prays to Zeus that his son will be an even greater warrior than himself, that "one day let them say, 'He is a better man than his father!'-- / when he comes home from battle bearing the bloody gear / of the mortal enemy he has killed in war-- / a joy to his mother's heart." That this is Hector's hope for his son strikes us as odd, especially in light of the grisly end we know Hector eventually comes to. The scene of a father lifting his son above his head and rejoicing in his family is familiar too us. But his prayer immediately takes us to a different place. Why would a father wish such a life for his son. But this is the reality of their world, a reality that brings us up against the brutality of humanity in much the same way that Patroclus's fishery does. And it is a sign of Homer's great skill that we can still relate to such a tender scene of domesticity and yet be challenged by its lingering violence. This is literature with its finger close to our pulse, close to our blood to the very extent that it is filled with blood, familial and militant....less

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Ginnie rated it:

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01/03/08

bookshelves: classics, poetry

Read in January, 1997

recommended to Ginnie by: Jim Heath

FORGET what the Goodreads computer does with this record, I intend this to be the: Iliad by Homer, translated by Stanley Lombardo

published 1997 by Hackett Publishing Company
binding Paperback
isbn 0872203522 (isbn13: 9780872203525)
pages 516

Those critics who consider Lombardo's translation anti-Classical (or even "low-brow" and "simplistic") would do well to read Lombardo's own explanation:
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[Taken from an interview in 2002 between Mr. Lom...more

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Mike rated it:

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05/27/08

Read in May, 2008

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The Iliad is a hard book to review becasue, really, where do I get off? It's one of the oldest recorded stories in existence and one of, if not the founding documents of all of Western literature. The ghost of Homer doesn't have to pretend to care about what I think of his work at this point.

So let's dodge that for a moment and talk about this translation instead. I have to give Fitzgerald credit - he's produced an incredible translation of the work that keeps the quick, fluid...more The Iliad is a hard book to review becasue, really, where do I get off? It's one of the oldest recorded stories in existence and one of, if not the founding documents of all of Western literature. The ghost of Homer doesn't have to pretend to care about what I think of his work at this point.

So let's dodge that for a moment and talk about this translation instead. I have to give Fitzgerald credit - he's produced an incredible translation of the work that keeps the quick, fluid pace of Homer's original language (or so I'm told - like I speak Ancient Greek) and never resorts to thees and thous to give it that "authentic" feel. It's never feels rushed though, and he manages to keep the catalogue of descriptions that Homer indulges in as fresh as possible. THe only real issue I had was Fitzgerald's use of "non-standard" translations for names. For instance, Achilles becomes Akhilleus, Achaeans becomes Akhaians, Ajax becomes Aias, Hades becomes Aides, etc. I'm sure these are closer to the actual Greek names or something, but it was still a little strange.

So, the story itself? Wow. This has to be the bloodiest book ever written. I seriously doubt any book could touch The Iliad's body count - at least a hundred characters are killed throughout the story, all of them messy deaths, lovingly recounted. Skulls are split open, eyes are torn out, guts spilled, and brains smashed. There's even a spear injury to the groin. At first, this was something fresh and new. This was ancient literature? Boy, did I have the wrong idea in high school! But Homer's macabre little scenes go on and on and on, sometimes two or three unbroken pages of nothing but lists of soldiers and the colorful ways they're killed, and it really starts to be a slog. The middle three fifths of the book are almost nothing but itemized exsanguinations, and it became a serious chore to push through without skipping stanzas. The book is saved though by the first section though, where we get some surprising and enjoyable strokes of characterization for our main characters, and the last chunk, where Zeus finally gives the gods free reign and the Olympians descend on the battlefield to work things out personally.

Speaking of which, there's a pervading tone of futility throughout the entire story. Although the human actors are the center of the story, it's clear that everything that happens is the work of the gods. Almost every single death of a main character is due to a god's intervention, either disabling the victim or empowering the victor. The entire Trojan War, we come to understand, is due to Paris Alexandros's decision in a three-way beauty contest between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite in a previous (and now lost) book. No, seriously - google the "Judgement of Paris" if you don't believe me. This is what earned the Trojan's the unrelenting enmity of two goddesses and lead to the deaths of thousands of people? Really? There's an almost depressing sense of fatality in everything that happens, and a very definite message that humans are powerless to set their own course in life. No matter, how brave, strong, intelligent or noble you are, it's not going to stop someone from Olympus ruining your life because they're petty, spoiled little children. Maybe that's the way things were seen when Homer was writing, but it makes for one downer of a book.

Oh, and screw Achilles - dude's a whiny little bitch....less

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Stevelvis rated it:

02/17/08

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THE ILIAD by HOMER translated by Robert Fagles

Oh My God, I absolutely HATED the Iliad. If you want to read a bunch of reviews by people who loved this book, go to Amazon and read the reviews there. The fans of this book will say that this is the ultimate book of war and this is the best translation ever, that this story shows the courage and manliness and heroics of the soldiers on both sides of the Trojan war even as they are being manipulated by the gods who are having their own argumen...more THE ILIAD by HOMER translated by Robert Fagles

Oh My God, I absolutely HATED the Iliad. If you want to read a bunch of reviews by people who loved this book, go to Amazon and read the reviews there. The fans of this book will say that this is the ultimate book of war and this is the best translation ever, that this story shows the courage and manliness and heroics of the soldiers on both sides of the Trojan war even as they are being manipulated by the gods who are having their own arguments amongst themselves. Perhaps I have simply read the wrong translation as there seems to be the opinion that the translation by Rouse while less poetic is more prosaic and a better read as much of the repetitious poem is edited out.

The Iliad takes place in the 10th year of the Trojan War and its location is between the Argive Greek ships on the beach, the city of Troy, the battlegrounds between the beach and the city, and a tiny bit of story among the Olympiad gods. Actually there is very little of the action that isn't a bloody fight to the death on the battlegrounds. The story takes place in only about 40 days of the 10th year of the war and leaves out all of the most interesting action: the abduction of the princess Helen by Paris the Prince of Troy which starts the war, and the final days of the war in which the city is sacked and Achilles and many of the heroes are killed. What you are left with is an argument at the beginning of the story between Achilles and King Agamemnon, followed by nearly nonstop bloody fighting leading up to the death of Hector the hero of Troy. The story begins by saying that so many thousands of soldiers were killed in the war that it would be impossible to name them all. Then in the next paragraph, the attempt to name all of them begins as you have almost 600 pages of characters who are strangers with no part other than to be introduced and led off the stage as they have been killed by one or another of the heroes.

I read the Iliad because I wanted to read the Odyssey and so decided to read both of the epics together and in order. For anyone else I can now recommend skipping the Iliad altogether, and just go on to the Odyssey. The Iliad was a struggle for me, a very experienced reader, to make it all the way through. More than once I wondered if I should just stop or was it worth reading to the end. Well, now I can say with no problem that I should have skipped it entirely. It was a total waste of my time. I can't imagine being forced to read this as a book assignment in school. It might have turned me off of reading forever. If you're a teacher, please, have mercy on your students, just assign the 10 or 20 good pages. If you're thinking of reading the Iliad for pleasure, go to the bookstore and pick it up and read a few pages and then flip it forward and read another page. Try that a few times and you'll probably decide against it like I should have. The Odyssey on the other hand is a wonderful book that is thoroughly enjoyable, and full of the adventure, mystery and mythology that I had wrongly expected out of the Iliad....less

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Jim rated it:

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01/01/08

bookshelves: greekmythology

Read in July, 2007

"Sprung out of bitterness, the philosophy of the Iliad excludes resentment." Thus Rachel Bespaloff, stating the seemingly impossible. Years ago I read the Iliad in Fitzgerald's fine translation, but every page had the heavy cadence of a "classic." Now I'm reading Fagles' and Lombardo's translations back to back, and am surprised how much I'm enjoying the poem. I don't dispute those who judge Fagles the superior translator, but for me the Lombardo version is far more stirring....more

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Nate rated it:

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06/02/08

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this book has it all. every character is a badass, the descriptions of violence are extreme, brutal, and frequent, plus it has some of the most epic (naturally) shittalking i've read. it is truly mindblowing that there hasn't been a good film adaptation of this yet. as far as i know, troy is the only adaptation filmed, and i will never watch that. allow me to digress for a moment and say that the day that movie came out i probably should have went to see it with the rest of my roommates consider...more this book has it all. every character is a badass, the descriptions of violence are extreme, brutal, and frequent, plus it has some of the most epic (naturally) shittalking i've read. it is truly mindblowing that there hasn't been a good film adaptation of this yet. as far as i know, troy is the only adaptation filmed, and i will never watch that. allow me to digress for a moment and say that the day that movie came out i probably should have went to see it with the rest of my roommates considering the sequence of events that i chose led to me having a run-in with new brunswick law enforcement that wound up costing me nearly two thousand dollars. but still, this got universally panned. i was reading a review of it on imdb and one dude who claims to be a professor in the classics defends the movie and one of his arguments was that the iliad wasn't "historically accurate" itself. no shit sherlock, i'm pretty sure thats obvious from the first couple sentences considering that zeus isn't real, and that people haven't thought he was real in like two thousand years. well, i will concede that a few people still think he's real, but those people probably have pony tails and spend most of their time naked in the woods while reading dungeons and dragons monster manuals, so their opinion doesn't count for shit. the point is, if you're going to make a good movie out of something like this, why fuck with the story? the gods were an integral part of the tale and their removal would make no sense. it really blows my mind how lame hollywood is sometimes. someone should get hbo on the horn and have them do a tv series where they dedicate a full hour episode to each book. that would be awesome

and while i'm digressing and going off on unrelated tangents to how sweet this book actually is, let me ask the two people who will actually read this the following question (/series of questions):

in doing a bit of poking around on the internet, it appears that there were six other epics in the trojan cycle aside from the iliad and odyseey, but all were lost aside from various sentences/fragments here and there. our knowledge of the existance of this epics comes from a summary of them written by some dude named proclus. of course, reading a 1-2 paragraph summary of entire epics can be pretty boring. have any authors since then tried to fill in the gaps using extant legends, text, etc? i'd be more interested in something that keeps in the same style that the greeks used, but wouldn't be entirely opposed to a more "modern" re-interpretation as long as it doesn't go too overboard in certain stylistic elements...less

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Kman rated it:

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07/25/07

Read in January, 2000

Homer opens this work, and perhaps all of Western literary history, with an appeal for help and a clearly defined thesis. He asks a muse to help him relate the story of the rage of Achilles. Forgive me for uninvitedly calling Homer's own description of the work lacking. The richness of questions brought up in this work will be apparent to anybody on a first reading. The central preoccupations of the work go beyond the anger of a single man - spanning from the finitude of human existence to the s...more Homer opens this work, and perhaps all of Western literary history, with an appeal for help and a clearly defined thesis. He asks a muse to help him relate the story of the rage of Achilles. Forgive me for uninvitedly calling Homer's own description of the work lacking. The richness of questions brought up in this work will be apparent to anybody on a first reading. The central preoccupations of the work go beyond the anger of a single man - spanning from the finitude of human existence to the sociopolitical duties of a citizen. It is awe-inspiring that a work written so long ago can strike such a powerful chord in so many of us. Nevertheless, it goes without saying that this is a work of art, and, as a consequence, Homer strives to describe and to make us all too painfully aware of the basics of life. We are asked to reflect on not only the standard issues of family and friends, but on our roots, on our attachment to the land, and on our birth and death. Of course, not every squabble of the Gods or cataloguing of the ships strike us as particularly intriguing. Yet in every delightful passage where Homer taunts his genius by pretending to keep substantial issues at bay, proviking issues are to be found. Unsurprisingly, Homer offers us little in the means of answers for the question as to how we are to deal with the profound circumstances that surround us as humans. His use of the "divine" in controlling human affairs may sound too much like an awkwardly familiar tone of existential resignation. For those seeking "answers in life," whatever that may mean, the Illiad is not a bad starting point. We have much in common with Achilles - knowledgable about our own mortality, yet all to eager to presume otherwise. We also sympathize with Hector and the Greek soldiers - it is for the soap operas of the rich and powerful that too many of us shed blood. The striking beauty and emotive appeal of this work cannot be classified as uplifting. Yet the subtlety and craftiness of the spark of joy to be found in our peculiar human condition to which this work speaks should be ample answer for any reader as to why this work has survived for so long....less

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Nikki rated it:

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09/08/08

bookshelves: world-literature

Read in September, 2008

recommends it for: Just about everyone; my husband Bruce especially.

I love The Iliad like I love movies like Braveheart and The Gladiator. There is something indescribably cool about tough men kicking some serious butt and taking names.

The action of The Iliad takes place near the end of the Trojan War. When King Agamemnon is forced to give up his prize, the girl Chryses, he enrages Achilles by taking Achilles' prize, the girl Briseis away from him. Achilles, the best warrior of them all, Achaean and Trojan armies combined, refuse...more

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Ali rated it:

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04/19/07

bookshelves: epic

Asking me which are the best 50 books I’ve ever read, Illiad and Odysse will be definatly two of them I name … books I don’t get tired to read again and again.

ایلیاد و اودیسه پس از این همه قرن که از سروده شدنشان گذشته، هم چنان خواندنی و محبوب اند و میزان فروش چاپ ها و ترجمه های تازه شان به زبان های اروپایی رقیب پر فروش ترین آثار، نظیر آثار شک�...more

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Ryan rated it:

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07/05/07

Read in February, 2006

Wow, what can I say about this book? First of all, it’s 600 pages of pure, incredibly gruesome action. It is also the first war book I’ve ever read that names every single soldier who takes part in the battle, their background, and, of course, an incredibly detailed account of how they are slain. Let me give you an example of poor Erýmas’ fate (Book Sixteen, Line 403):

“Idómeneus thrust hard at Erýmas’ mouth
with his hard bronze. The spearhead passed on through
beneath his ...more

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Dave rated it:

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07/07/08

Read in July, 2008

One of the great classics of western literature. Read this for the first time over 40 years ago. Worth a second reading. Not, however, for the faint of heart. Much battle description is graphic.

Graphic battle description, however, is not the point of the poem, and shouldn't deter a reading. It clearly emphasizes the relationship Hellenistic culture had with the deities, a culture where the gods not only mingled and interacted with mortals but took active roles in directing a particular...more

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Adam rated it:

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01/06/08

Read in August, 2007

recommends it for: A person looking for ancient Greek names for their baby.

The first time I tried to "read" the Iliad I listened to it on tape in my car. Which may sound "wrong" but it's actually more true to the ancient Greek method of oral storytelling! Yes. However, I'm sorry but after trying to read it again I still don't like the Iliad. It's supposed to be austere and sublime, I know. It's boring and repetitive! This isn't the translation I read, by the way, but I don't see how that could make a difference. Here's an excerpt:

Thereon Polypoetes, mighty son of Pirithous, hit Damasus with a spear upon his cheek-pierced helmet. The helmet did not protect him, for the point of the spear went through it, and broke the bone, so that the brain inside was scattered about, and he died fighting. He then slew Pylon and Ormenus. Leonteus, of the race of Mars, killed Hippomachus the son of Antimachus by striking him with his spear upon the girdle. He then drew his sword and sprang first upon Antiphates whom he killed in combat, and who fell face upwards on the earth. After him he killed Menon, Iamenus, and Orestes, and laid them low one after the other. ...more

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Robert rated it:

08/06/07

Read in September, 1968

recommends it for: anyone

Richmond Lattimore's is the definitive translation into English of Homer's masterwork. It comes closest to the original in word for word meaning, and in poetic form, and in spirit. I've re-read this for almost 40 years, and it never fails to reveal new beauties and new depths. Through the prism of a civilization different from our own, Homer sees the human essence. Homer describes almost all that's admirable or despicable in people, and almost all that drives them, with clarity, feeling, and an ...more

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Keegan rated it:

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07/10/08

bookshelves: classics, greek

Read in July, 2008

The Iliad is goddamned intense:

"Idomeneus speared Erymas in the mouth; the bronze point of the spear went clean through it beneath the brain, crashing in among the white bones and smashing them up. His teeth were all of them knocked out and the blood came gushing in a stream from both his eyes; it also came gurgling up from his mouth and nostrils, and the darkness of death enfolded him round about."
[different translation:].

Damn.

I found it interesting that a profoundly blu...more

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Jennie rated it:

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07/14/08

bookshelves: classical-lit

Read in January, 2003

recommended to Jennie by: TVN

Gives a whole new meaning to the concept of nipple piercing...

Seriously, this poem has some beautiful and poignant and fascinating moments if you are able to divorce them from their social and historical context and view them solely as people interacting with each other in difficult times. It tops the Odyssey, in this respect. But by the time you read the whole thing, you are so battled out you just kind of stop caring. Reams upon reams of young men who are all supposed to be the best thi...more

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Danny rated it:

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05/27/08

Read in May, 2008

I'm on a classics kick, so I thought I'd start with these. My Aunt and Uncle gave me the boxed set of the Iliad and the Odessey as a graduation present (Dec 99) and I hadn't brought myself to read them.

I'm reading the Iliad and I must say that this particular translation is much, much better than any of the other one's I've tried reading in the past. The language is way easier to read and it's not as repetitive as I recalled. Although I'm enjoying the story, it's still quite a bit like read...more

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Elizabeth rated it:

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03/26/08

Read in June, 2002

recommends it for: everyone

The first time I read this book, it was the Fagles translation. I picked it up because we had just read

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