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The Age of Hope

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Born in 1930 in a small town outside Winnipeg, beautiful Hope Koop appears destined to have a conventional life. Church, marriage to a steady young man, children - her fortunes are already laid out for her, as are the shiny modern appliances in her new home. All she has to do is stay with Roy, who loves her. But as the decades unfold, what seems to be a safe, predictable e...more

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Published August 24th 2012 by HarperCollins Canada (first published 2012)

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Jan 23, 2013 Ruth Seeley rated it 2 of 5 stars

Read as part of the 2013 #CanadaReads (Canada Reads goes regional) faceoff, I was terribly disappointed by this book. Have never read any David Bergen before and wasn't encouraged by this one to read more. As the prairie/north regional nominee for the contest, this is sure to be the first book voted off the literary island (I'll update to let you know whether my prediction is right or not).

The writing is pedestrian, the characterization is weak, and the structure is hideously conventional (i.e....more Read as part of the 2013 #CanadaReads (Canada Reads goes regional) faceoff, I was terribly disappointed by this book. Have never read any David Bergen before and wasn't encouraged by this one to read more. As the prairie/north regional nominee for the contest, this is sure to be the first book voted off the literary island (I'll update to let you know whether my prediction is right or not).

The writing is pedestrian, the characterization is weak, and the structure is hideously conventional (i.e. linear). We follow Hope Koop's life for more than 80 years, but despite the relentless focus on a single character, it's an amazingly superficial and very implausible portrait of a woman, a marriage, and an era. Those of us who are 50+ know many Hope Koops - they were our mothers. Raised by parents who struggled for survival through the Great Depression and for whom World War II was the formative event of their late adolescence and early adulthood, they embraced the consumerism of the 50s and 60s in a variety of ways: some remained frugal, wary that the deprivations of their youth might return, others embraced the halycon years (in economic terms) of the 50s and 60s with gusto. They were caught offguard by the sexual and social revolutions of the 1960s. The fundamental premises of the lives they'd built were challenged by new divorce laws, the availability of birth control (and abortion), as well as the civil rights movement in the US. and the women's movement in the developed world. But little of this affects Hope in any kind of meaningful way. Her friends, her children, and her husband are all tangential to her. If she were a character with a rich interior life the novel might work. But she isn't. She's vain and shallow, and I'm tempted to describe her as a Not Sure She Wants to Be a Rebel (Without a Ball).

In the #CanadaReads book club discussion on Twitter of this novel, someone mentioned Mad Men's Betty Draper character. It's an apt contrast and a sad indictment of this book that Betty Draper is a far more interesting and nuanced character than Hope Koop. So is April Wheeler of Revolutionary Road (both the book and the film). For a portrait of a mother who cannot bond with her children, invest your reading time in Lionel Shriver's We Need To Talk About Kevin. And for a portrait of a woman who has to deal with catastrophic economic shifts, watch Gone With the Wind.

Moment at which I almost threw this book at the wall: when a joking prediction regarding one of Hope's children's careers actually comes true.

Ah - Quill and Quire reviewer has the same reaction as I did: http://www.quillandquire.com/reviews/...(less)

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Feb 11, 2013 Erika rated it 2 of 5 stars

Shelves: 2013, canada-reads

The book is beautifully written and I sat and read it all in one afternoon BUT the characters were insipid and Hope was whiny to the point where I wanted to tell her to just smarten up. Her kids are annoying, her husband is a push-over and she mopes through the 60+ years this book shares with us. I can see why it has been picked as a Canada Reads selection for 2013 because of its literary merit but the story was blah. I would not recommend it or vote for it.

ETA Feb 11: first one gone from Canada...more

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Feb 15, 2013 Rosanne rated it 4 of 5 stars

I think the author hit the mark in creating a portrait of a guilt-riddled 1950’s housewife who feels alienated from her own family, struggling with depression, never feeling like she fits in or is really good enough. Despite her beauty and the comfortable lifestyle she experiences, life is a stuggle. This physcial reality, the setting works as the right contrast to her messy inner life.

I read this in practically one sitting, wondering about Hope Koop as she quietly, uneventfully moves through l...more

I think the author hit the mark in creating a portrait of a guilt-riddled 1950’s housewife who feels alienated from her own family, struggling with depression, never feeling like she fits in or is really good enough. Despite her beauty and the comfortable lifestyle she experiences, life is a stuggle. This physcial reality, the setting works as the right contrast to her messy inner life.

I read this in practically one sitting, wondering about Hope Koop as she quietly, uneventfully moves through life. Like others, I too felt frustrated with Hope at times and her response to her life. But then I would remind myself that this is the portrait of a woman dealing with mental health challenges…and at the dawn of change for women, the early days of the feminist movement. She is perpetually guilt ridden, always questioning everything and never comfortable in her own skin. Yet other times she is independent in her thinking not following the crowd, expectations just to fit in. So at times a contradiction, another messy human….she doesn’t of course always endear with her struggle and take on life or people….perhaps she is too realistic to bear.

Given Hope’s circumstances I did not find it such a stretch to experience her as somewhat distant or disconnected. Sometimes those who appear to be “well off” are in fact the most trapped or challenged to experience transformative change. She is a woman who lives the stigma of mental illness, and the impact of so called mental health treatments based in a much earlier time; along with changing expectations of women and their “place” in the world. There is no question that the mental health treatments of the 70’s were not what they are now. Might this reality make anyone act disconnected no?

It is painful to walk through life never feeling good enough. Not everyone gets the support they may need and considering the place and time, even less likely that supports were readily available for Hope.

But on a positive note, Hope never gives up trying to figure herself and her life out. Despite a crippling guilt she tries to be a better parent even though her over analysis has her constantly questioning what a good parent is. Who is to say that this wasn’t a life…it might not be what someone would choose, but not everyone gets to be fulfilled in the same way…not everyone “achieves” fame and fortune.

I was just glad for her that at the end of her story when she wakes from a dream about her mother she comes to understand there is nothing to be frightened of.
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Jan 27, 2013 Shilpa rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

This is a story of Hope, who we first meet in the book when she’s 18. We discover she has (or had) a boyfriend Jimmy, who tragically dies as he flies over her home waving to her from the cockpit. In the first few pages of The Age of Hope, I pictured the protagonist as somewhat of a rebel, perhaps living a vivid life just outside of Winnipeg, who doesn’t conform to the norm (after all her first boyfriend flies a plane and not long after she rejects a marriage proposal by an eligible bachelor plan...more This is a story of Hope, who we first meet in the book when she’s 18. We discover she has (or had) a boyfriend Jimmy, who tragically dies as he flies over her home waving to her from the cockpit. In the first few pages of The Age of Hope, I pictured the protagonist as somewhat of a rebel, perhaps living a vivid life just outside of Winnipeg, who doesn’t conform to the norm (after all her first boyfriend flies a plane and not long after she rejects a marriage proposal by an eligible bachelor planning to settle in Africa as a missionary). But as this story unfolds as somewhat of a fictional memoir, disappointment sets in as we realize Hope Koop is someone who is far from vivid and contradictory.

Hope is in fact quite normal. If I were to put my critical thinking hat on, I’d say perhaps a bit too normal. She never seems to be happy in the present moment, always hoping and wishing for something bigger, better and more interesting. “Hope wished that she had some of her roommate’s nerve, her devil-may-care attitude.” As she ages, Hope’s constantly worries about everything, from analyzing if she’s doing anything wrong in raising her four children, to wondering if her future will be laden with the comforts she has become used to. It is endearing to see a mother worry so much and go through life as we would imagine – complete with the same hardships, challenges and friendships that we perhaps have experienced in our own lives.

Even though The Age of Hope is a simple story, one with nothing really new or inspirational, the book does a good job in holding the reader’s interest right to the end. David Bergen’s characters have a voice and a personality that is real and relatable. “In her most dire moments Hope saw how bleak the future was becoming. The world was spinning out of control and it was scooping up her children, one by one.” Whether The Age of Hope should be a Canada Reads contender is debatable, but perhaps that is something for each reader to decide. You never know why one book tugs at the strings of your heart more than another. (less)

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Dec 02, 2012 Jennifer Rayment rated it 3 of 5 stars

Mini Book Review: It's always hard to write a review for a book that you just couldn't get into even-though you appreciate the talents of the author. I don't want to turn people off of the book, but at the same time I cannot lie and say I loved it. Beautifully written, which kept me reading even-though I wasn't really enjoying Hope's story. I just found her wishy washy and the storyline just left me feeling depressed. I also think I had a problem with it because it was based in Winnipeg & ju...more

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Jan 29, 2013 Leya rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: library-book, canada-reads

Hope is a woman living through years of the Women's Liberation movement in Manitoba. She questions herself, as a woman, a daughter, wife and a mother. She wonders if there's more to life than what she experiences everyday. She loves her children, even though at times she doesn't recognize them (especially during the teenage years), she loves her husband, but is that enough.

I was pleasantly surprised on how much I enjoyed this book. For some reason I was expecting something darker. Yes, there are...more

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Mar 13, 2013 Melinda rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: canada-reads, canadian-literature, fiction, 2013

I was a little worried when this was suggested for our next book club pick, because it was the first one voted off the island during Canada Reads, and there were so many negative Goodreads reviews. However, I ended up liking it a lot. At the end of the book, Hope's daughter is planning to write a novel with a main character a lot like her mother, but Hope protests, saying that her life did not have a plot. To an extent, this is true, but I enjoyed the book anyway, because David Bergen writes wel...more

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Sep 14, 2012 Deborah McLaughlin rated it 5 of 5 stars

This is a Prairie Story
There is no doubt in my mind that David Bergen has outdone himself with his Age of Hope. If you grew up on the Canadian prairies then you must treat yourself to this truly insightful and honest story of living one's life on the prairies. David Bergen's dialogue strikes many familiar chords. What a hard time it was. To have to had put on such brave faces and to carry on through it all. Character matters and David Bergen has created a great gal with a grand sense of fashion,...more

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Feb 10, 2013 Julie rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: canadian-lit

There were times I enjoyed the book, but for the most part, I found it a hard book to get through. As I found it almost impossible to connect to Hope, and enjoy her story.

Because this was a character driven story, liking the main character, Hope, is pretty much a must to enjoy the book. And I didn't care for her at all. There were times the author examined some important issues, such as depression/post-partum depression and he did do a good job at showing how it affected Hope, but I felt Hope'...more

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Nov 16, 2012 J.T. Therrien rated it 5 of 5 stars

Yes, once again, I've read a book that I love! I'm either on a quite a streak of reading only good books, or I've completely lost any standard! (Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B)

But I loved The Age of Hope. I've been trying to recall the last time I read a novel written my a man who explored the emotional landscape of a woman as thoroughly as David Bergen has in this novel and I cannot come up anything. Not that there aren't any, I admittedly have a poor memory.

Hope is a w...more

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Jan 08, 2013 Pooker rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: canada, fiction, canada-reads

I suspect I was one of the people who voted for The Age of Hope in the public vote for this year's Canada Reads selections. I know I was happy when it made it into the final five. This even though - actually, not even though, but because I hadn't read it yet. David Bergen is one of my favourite authors. I loved the Case of Lena S, loved The Retreat, was a bit perplexed by Sitting Across from my Brother and The Time in Between, but thought that The Matter with Morris was a masterpiece. Somewhere...more I suspect I was one of the people who voted for The Age of Hope in the public vote for this year's Canada Reads selections. I know I was happy when it made it into the final five. This even though - actually, not even though, but because I hadn't read it yet. David Bergen is one of my favourite authors. I loved the Case of Lena S, loved The Retreat, was a bit perplexed by Sitting Across from my Brother and The Time in Between, but thought that The Matter with Morris was a masterpiece. Somewhere I commented that it might be that my love for The Matter with Morris was an "age thing". I had heard that The Age of Hope was a female companion to Morris and so I was eagerly awaiting my reading of Hope.

Added to that was my delight, on beginning the book, in discovering that Hope was born in 1930. My mother was born in the early thirties and I assumed or hoped that reading about Hope would give me some insights into and comparison with my own mother's life that I might not glean from what she herself tells and has told, and what I see and have observed.

There are comparisons to be made to be sure. My mother was born and raised in a small religious town, she too was a housewife raising several (five to Hope's four) children, her husband worked hard to bring home the bacon and she too cut short her own career aspirations in order to marry but when times were financially tough went to work. She remained married to my father until he died earlier than one might have expected or hoped. And she seemed to find much happiness in her life after his passing when she was able to satisfy her own personal yearnings. Indeed, my mother's life might seem boring and ordinary in the grand scheme, as I expect many of the lives of women born in the same era might also appear to their female counterparts born later.

But these similarities did not make Hope real to me. My mother and all of the women I know of similar age are much more than Hope ever appears to be in this novel. Real women experience life (as outwardly boring as any one life may appear)in an exponentially more complex way than Hope does. It seemed to me that Hope experienced her life as if heavily drugged or perhaps lobotomized (we know she experienced electro shock therapy - the therapy of the times for mental breakdown).

I had thought, especially given that Bergen dedicates his book to his mother-in-law Doris (and apparently she was the inspiration for the book), that Bergen was paying homage to all of the middle-class ordinary women of the era - the ones who now, in Hope's words seem to "belong[s] to a whole herd of grey-haired women in running shoes who apparently did not exist."

Bergen's writing is as lovely as ever and I think the novel captures the times and what the later-born might think women of those times thought about. Unfortunately, at least for me, Hope does not exist. I'm far better off experiencing my mom and the women like her in real life than hoping to find what makes them click in this novel. (less)

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Feb 28, 2013 Sharen rated it 3 of 5 stars

Hope is Everywoman - a contradiction. Even her name belies her underlying despair, and throughout her story she reveals strength and weakness, courage and fear, generosity and maddening self-absorption. Plus she worries too much. Perhaps that is what David Bergen intended - a stream of subconsciousness. On Canada Reads 2013, there were two female panel members. The elder was impatient with Hope. The younger could not find anything relevant to identify with in the forces that shaped a woman who l...more

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Dec 12, 2012 Sydney rated it 1 of 5 stars

Shelves: in-my-possession

David Bergen uses only telling in this story. It made me wonder right away who the narrator was. It might be one of Hope's daughters who near the end of the novel claims to be writing a book only 'slightly based' on her mother's life. But again I can't be sure.

Also Hope as a character is completely uninteresting. At one point she worries she's too passive in life (after being told this by a friend) and I think that's exactly what she is. Bergen might be making the point that women of that era we...more

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Jan 24, 2013 Shannon (Giraffe Days) rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: historical-fiction, 2013, cover-love

Hope Plett is born in 1930 in the small town of Eden, a predominantly Mennonite town outside Winnipeg, Manitoba, to a baker father and a school teacher mother - their only child. After high school, she lives in Winnipeg to study nursing, and on the weekends where she goes home to Eden, she meets Roy Koop, four years older than her, at a Sunday School class for adults at the Mennonite church. Their relationship moves along steadily, and Hope likes that Roy is such a gentleman and patient, yet she...more

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Mar 31, 2013 Lianne Burwell rated it 3 of 5 stars · review of another edition

Shelves: canada-reads-2013, library

This is the last of this year's Canada Reads books that I read (yes, well after the contest ended), and I wasn't sure what I expected considering the fact that it was the first book eliminated.

I rather enjoyed it, considering it was a book that didn't really have a plot.

Instead, we basically follow Hope through her life from her teenager days through to her senior citizen days. Her marriage, her motherhood, her bouts of depression, including hospitalization for it with electroshock therapy, wido...more

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Apr 12, 2013 Audrey ❦❦❦ rated it 5 of 5 stars

When I read a book, I need to feel like I can identify with the character or situation in some way. This book grabbed me from the beginning, and didn't let go until the last page. I identified profoundly with Hope, and I felt as if the author, a male, had some crazy kind of insight into the workings of a woman's mind. In fact, I kept turning back to the author's flap in the back cover to make sure it hadn't been written by a woman.

Another test I have for a book is that after turning the last pag...more

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Mar 12, 2013 Kathleen rated it 2 of 5 stars

The Age of Hope was not nearly as compelling as The Time in Between. For one thing, the story is too "told," we get too much summary and Bergen's narrator stays firmly between us and Hope. I don't necessarily need a compelling plot, but I do need the kinds of scenes that let me come to my own conclusions about characters. On the other hand, his portrait of Hope, as a 1950s house wife is compelling: it really reminded me of my own mother. I couldn't stop reading largely because I wanted to unders...more

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May 13, 2013 MJ rated it 2 of 5 stars

I was a little uncomfortable reading this because the character Hope and I are the same age and I could see myself in her from time to time and didn't really like what I saw. But my main complaint about the book is that there is no rising action. It just...goes along. Much like an ordinary life, I get it, but as I read along I began to wonder okay, when is something going to happen? Maybe I'm just not getting what David Bergen was trying to get across. And because nothing really happens, except...more

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Mar 01, 2013 Deborah rated it 1 of 5 stars

I was very disappointed in this book. Granted the author might have been mimicking the protagonist's detachment disorder, however, this book lacks any dept or breadth. The characters are merely outlines that were not coloured in. There is no character arc or plot arc to speak of...I mean technically there is small arcs...but so small they do not really register. It touches on mental illness and feminism...but so lightly it actually does them both a disservice. To add to this the writing is somew...more

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Jan 24, 2013 Jennifer D. rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: books-i-own, 2013-books, canada-reads-2013, canadian

hmmm....this one is a bit tricky for me, in comparison to the other books for this year's canada reads debates. unlike the other books i have read for the event already (two solitudes and indian horse), the age of hope did not suck me in from page one. bergen did a wonderful job with hope (i am always impressed when an author has success writing in the opposite gender) but it wasn't until i was nearly 2/3 of the way through that things clicked for me. i appreciate quiet stories, internal stories...more

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Jan 03, 2013 Kyle rated it 3 of 5 stars

I'm a fan of David Bergen; however, this book did not do much for me. Still, I would recommend it to a lot of people because it is a well written novel with important themes and an important message, and I know that there is a large audience for a book like this.

It tells the story of Hope Koop, a seemingly regular, every day woman, born in the 1930's, raising a family in the 50's, 60's and 70's, and then coming into her prime in the 80's and 90's. Through her eyes, we see the world advance and b...more I'm a fan of David Bergen; however, this book did not do much for me. Still, I would recommend it to a lot of people because it is a well written novel with important themes and an important message, and I know that there is a large audience for a book like this.

It tells the story of Hope Koop, a seemingly regular, every day woman, born in the 1930's, raising a family in the 50's, 60's and 70's, and then coming into her prime in the 80's and 90's. Through her eyes, we see the world advance and become evermore complicated and strange.

To me, Hope was a regular everywoman, representative of her generation. Within the story though, Hope is a oddity, a woman that, to her peers, could be seen as dangerous and different, as not compliant to societal norms. She copes with depression, or "the Dark" as her husband calls it, and this darkness compels her to make strange choices, like abandoning her child at the side of the road while she walks off into a marsh to take a nap. Granted, that example does make her look a little cuckoo-bananas, but really, she is not.

This book was chosen to compete in 2013's Canada Reads debate, representing the prairies and the north, geographically, and I must admit, I don't think it represents the area very well. I don't get any taste for the culture and people of those areas. I'm not sure I would consider this a novel that is indicative of it's geography. Not like, say, "Cool Water", or "Stanley Park" or "Fauna".

In tone and pace, "Age of Hope" reminded me of a Bonnie Burnard novel, which is something I would never say about other Bergen books. I barely recognized Bergen's voice in this book, which is only an observation, not a criticism. In fact, many of the reasons that this book didn't stand out for me is likely due to personal taste. Truly this book is a complex yet succinct exploration of the cerebral events in a woman's life. Bergen takes us deep into the thoughts and emotions of Hope giving us an introspective study of a remarkable and ordinary person. I think a lot of people other than me would really get this book.

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Aug 08, 2012 Shannon White rated it 4 of 5 stars

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The Age of Hope by David Bergen chronicles the life of Hope Koop. Raised in western Canada in the 40’s, Hope was an educated woman enrolled in nursing school. However, like many women in that era, Hope abandons her studies to marry and raise a family. As time passes Hope’s life is consumed with domestic duties. She struggles to find her true identity. She ambles through life very passively but continually wrestling with herself to define her own self-worth...more

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Jan 05, 2013 Joy Magarrey rated it 4 of 5 stars

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Dec 30, 2012 Arlene rated it 3 of 5 stars

The Age of Hope by David Bergen chronicles the life of Hope Koop. Raised in western Canada in the 40’s, Hope was an educated woman enrolled in nursing school. However, like many women in that era, Hope abandons her studies to marry and raise a family. As time passes Hope’s life is consumed with domestic duties. She struggles to find her true identity. She ambles through life very passively but continually wrestling with herself to define her own self-worth...more

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Nov 12, 2012 Lynn rated it 4 of 5 stars

Shelves: fiction

The Age of Hope is a lovely, touching character study on one woman, Hope Koop. We meet Hope when she is a 19 year old in nursing school and follow her life until her 80's. Nothing spectacular happens to Hope, but her thoughts, desires, and wishes mirror many of our lives. David Bergen has a deft touch with inner thoughts and lives. This is a beautiful book, ordinary and life embracing at the same time.

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Jan 04, 2013 Elaine Kerys rated it 5 of 5 stars

David Bergen eloquently and compassionately captures what life was like for a married woman on the prairies during the fifties and sixties, a time when women like the main character, Hope Platt, were expected to be satisfied with staying at home looking after their husband and their children and yet who began to have their consciousness raised by feminists who believed they should be demanding more from their lives.

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Jan 08, 2013 Jeanne rated it 3 of 5 stars

Shelves: canada-reads, canadian, historical

First book I read of the Canada Reads contenders and must say I was a bit disappointed. (Hope the others are better!) Hope Koop, born in Manitoba in 1930, married and had four children. Basically, the story of her life, the life of a fairly ordinary woman. I loved the idea of this but did not find it compelling. She seemed somewhat distant to me; never really felt like I got to know the real Hope. Three stars only because I did want to know how it would turn out.

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Mar 17, 2013 Rebecca House rated it 3 of 5 stars

I very much enjoyed this story about Hope and her experience of marriage, life, motherhood and all that lay between and beyond. It reminded me a lot of my grandmother's life, a life I am curious about and how she handled raising her four children in a small rural area. I would have liked to see more development in some areas as I felt some parts were a bit quick and rushed but it did not take away from the enjoyment of reading about Hope's life and the story moved well enough to keep me engaged...more

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Apr 20, 2013 Bev rated it 4 of 5 stars

David Bergen is a a very talented writer so I am not surprised that he could successfully write a book about an ordinary woman, living in a small town, in the middle of Canada. There is really no plot to the novel, however he does touch on some very important issues such as depression and feminism. Although I enjoyed the book, upon reflection I think I would have found the story more gratifying if the author had explored these issues in depth. Or, maybe I was simply expecting more after reading...more

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Jan 25, 2013 Debbie G rated it 2 of 5 stars

This book was well written and I believed the characters but.... I found it depressing. The message seems to be women are stuck - always hoping for more or better but stuck in behaviours and relationships that mimic every generation's and every woman's situation. At the end, I was just plain sad about Hope, her life and her hope. If that was the point, then I would say, the author did hid job well.

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Born in Port Edward, British Columbia, author David Bergen worked as a writer and high school English teacher in Winnipeg, Manitoba, before gaining a great deal of recognition in Canada when his novel The Time In Between won the 2005 Scotiabank Giller Prize, one of Canada's most prestigious literary awards. The novel also received a starred review in Kirkus Reviews and was longlisted for the 2007...more

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“The most difficult part of being a mother was to observe the mistakes of one's children: the foolish loves, the desperate solitude and alienation, the lack of will, the gullibility, the joyous and naive leaps into the unknown, the ignorance, the panicky choices and the utter determination.” — 6 people liked it

“Hope had finally learned to live in the present. Often, when she found herself in a space of tremendous comfort, usually out in nature, or when her children were safe all around her and on the verge of going to bed, she forced herself to take stock. Here you are, Hope, she told herself. What a beautiful moment. You may never again be here at this spot, enjoying the calm. This habit of hers, to acknowledge the immediate and elusive joy of the present, kept her sane.” — 2 people liked it

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