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Pace eterna (The Forever War #2)

3.71 of 5 stars 3.71  ·  rating details  ·  10,381 ratings  ·  227 reviews
'Razboi etern'a fost publicat in 1975. In aclamatiile generale, a castigat premiile Hugo, Nebula si Ditmar si este considerat o opera clasica a science-fiction-ului. Acum - dupa mai bine de douazeci de ani - Joe Haldeman isi face o triumfatoare revenire la genul hard SF si la temele asociate acestuia, care au facut din 'Razboi etern' un multiplu castigator, iar din Haldema ...more
Paperback, 287 pages
Published 1999 by Teora (first published October 1997)
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Welcome to the future...where the final war is being waged
....against war itself.

There is such a bounty of wonderful, insightful and important ideas stuffed into this novel that I find myself seriously bummed that weak storytelling and plodding central plot flow marred my enjoyment enough to keep me from awarding this a 4th star.

Still, from a component standpoint, this is a collection of gems.


The Haves:

The Alliance, led by the U.S., but including most of what we would consider t
I'm probably in a distinct minority, having read Forever Peace but not Forever War (yet). Apparently, in comparison, a lot of people think this one comes off the weaker - but on it's own, without that comparison I thought it was top notch.

The moments of action have a heart-attack intensity, but the bigger slice of the book is focused on the psychological effect that has on the soldiers, and how turning a weapons-tech on it's head can actually be the spark that unites mankind and triggers a mini-
Never have I disagreed more with people who's opinions I respect. Forever Peace is a highly acclaimed and beloved book to many, but I disagree.

To begin with, this had nothing to do with The Forever War. So to market it as Forever War #2, sounds like a cash grab. That irritated me off the bat. The Forever War dealt with an interstellar war, where time dilation kept the players on an eternally shifting background.
It was a brilliant analogy for the futility of war, written by a Vietnam veteran to
This book is either the best "bad book" or the worst "good book" in science fiction, depending on your perspective. Its plot and structure are a jumbled mess: It basically reads like two separate novellas forced together into a single storyline. The first storyline revolves around the technological as well as psychological needs for fighting a near-future worldwide guerilla war, in which the powers behind a globalized World System must suppress desperate peasants who are on the losing end of tha ...more
Mike Moore
This book starts slowly, then builds up a formidable foundation of ideas and possibilities before devolving to a fairly silly conclusion. In some ways I found it similar to works by the likes of Crichton or (Neal) Stephenson that build a fascinating world on an engaging premise, then rapidly and artificially generate and resolve a crisis to stand as a plot. I often wish that these authors could take the course of books that exist without plots of deadly peril or fearsome crisis... books like som ...more
Forever Peace is an interesting book in itself, describing how the group mind from The Forever War/Forever Free could come about, but I didn't really engage with it very much emotionally. Partially because the main character, Julian, is self-destructive and emotionally off. It's self-defence, perhaps. It's not a headspace I want to spend much time in. At least it's reasonably well handled.

It isn't really connected to the other books very closely, either, which doesn't help, and the switching bet
I read this as the third volume in the Forever 'trilogy' by Joe Haldeman, which lead to some confusion when going to rate and review these books. I apologise for this and now I must review this novel.

Forever Peace is in my opinion a complete let-down in regards to the other two novels. While the premise is good, the book does not deliver on this premise. Haldeman chooses to focus on another type of soldier, Julian Class, who is engaged in a kind of drone war where he mentally connects into the d
This is an science fiction story with a fascinating premise: the eradication of war through sensitizing individuals to powerful empathetic connections. Yeah, I know, but what is more intriguing to me is two opposing feelings that I took away from the book. One, I was overwhelmed and utterly convinced of the good in the idea. Two, I felt intensely guilty for witnessing the brainwashing of an entire (albeit fictional) world population. A thought-inspiring story that made up for in ideas what it la ...more
Jimmy Corvan
Forever Peace is about as similar to Forever War as a Centrosaurus is to a Pliosaur. Where the latter two are similar, primarily and nearly solely, in that they are reptiles, the former are similar only in that they are books written by Joe Haldeman.

A Pliosaur mostly roams the seas venturing from place to place occasionally stopping to rip apart some unsuspecting...well...anything that's edible, much like Forever War where William Mandella roams open space from place to place occasionally stopp
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-De los demonios personales del autor (y algunos de los del género humano).-

Género. Ciencia-Ficción.

Lo que nos cuenta. En un futuro no muy lejano, los Estados Unidos de América (en realidad una alianza del Primer Mundo) libran una guerra en Centroamérica (en realidad libran muchas guerras contra muchos adversarios en muchos lugares del mundo) con medios entre los que destacan los URIC (Unidad Remota de Infantería de Combate), más conocidos como “soldaditos” por sus usuarios, jóvenes que los mane
Dec 31, 2008 Rob rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: People who liked The Forever War.
Though not a sequel to The Forever War, it's similar name and same author force the comparison to be made.

The basic idea of Forever Peace is that implants in people allow them to control military equipment remotely by being jacked in. The controllers can die, so they're not entirely removed. People can also interact with each other while jacked in, and this allows for a deeper connection than is possible through normal interaction: speaking, touching, connecting. The theme is that this deeper co
Buck Ward
As a preface to Forever Peace, Haldeman says, "This book is not a continuation of my 1975 novel The Forever War. From the author's point of view it is kind of a sequel..." From a readers point of view it has little to do with The Forever War, though it is usually listed as the second in a series. In terms of reading order, I think it doesn't matter at all which is read first.

Forever Peace is a kind of military sci-fi cyberpunk intrigue story. It isn't really cyberpunk in the same way as Gibson's
Eric Gardner
A sequel (not really??) to Forever War, this book is mostly about a new method of perfect mental interface. The army uses it to make mentally connected super soldiers who remotely control a group of kill bots. While mentally joined the soldiers have complete shared awareness, this reminds me of the rogue group in the movie Scanners. When someone in the group is killed it can be mentally devastating to the rest of them. Even the shared emotions of battle are very tough on the group.

Now with this
This was an incredibly enjoyable book that I read through in just a few short days (well, long days spent reading). With the title of the book, I didn't expect it to jump right into violence and war, but it was definitely the best way to begin the work and give it a narrative and emotional wholeness. The ideas explored in this book were for the most part so fabulous and complete, it was as if these things could really be happening. I'm an avid sci-fi reader, but it's rare that I'm impressed with ...more
David Roberts
I am reviewing the science fiction novel Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman which is a very good novel which I bought from kindle. This novel is a kind of sequel to the Forever War although it contains different characters and it won some major awards. There was a further sequel called Forever Free which did show the further adventures of the characters from The Forever War. This novel starts quite gritty with a war between the USA & Nicaragua where there is a unit if what they call Mechanics who ...more
Fred Hughes
Joe Haldeman books are what I call easy reads. The storys track fairly fast and there is minimal character development, but enough. Haldeman has a potty mouth sometimes which I don't find offensive but younger readers may not appreciate his vivid language.

All his books are entertaining and easily read. There is not too much complicated plot lines so again easy to read.

Luke Burrage
The first half was on course to be a 5 star book, or at least a 4 star book. Then the second half was 1 star material, but due to the extreme disappointment after the great first half, it could even be a zero star stuff.

Averages out to 1.5 stars. I don't think I've ever read anything so uneven and disappointing.

Full review on my podcast, SFBRP episode #239.
Craig Robertson
I am on record here stating The Forever War is one of the best works of science fiction - period. Mr. Haldeman mentions before The Forever Peace (TFP) begins is is not a sequel. Boy-howdy it is not! I tried really really hard not to toss the book angrily into the corner, to keep reading, but TFP's ignominy exceeded my force of will.
First off, the as far as I could endure, TFP was one long Well-you-know-Bob of setting the odd scene. Second, the only potentially likeable character was suicidal. H
Forever Peace is a fitting and more than anticipated sequel to Haldeman's Forever War. This is truly a master work of science fiction worthy of belonging with the great epics. Haldeman is someone that I WILL read again.

If you're looking for something to read after working your way through Harlan Ellison's collection, Bladerunner, and all the other science fiction classics then this is what you've been looking for.

Forever War was exactly that, the story of a man who fought a war spanning thousa
Natasha Hurley-Walker
Wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, but this book was LAZY. Some fantastic ideas, but they were simply thrown at the wall to see if a few of them stuck. The viewpoint jumps around horribly -- some parts are in first-person, some parts are in third. Narration from the 'omniscient' viewpoint is distorted in time and space -- and not in a clever, PKD way. For example, two-thirds through we're suddenly treated to the viewpoint from a 'baddie' (who is of course a religious zealot, sigh), who is thi ...more
Scott Holstad
Okay, I loved "The Forever War," this book's alleged prequel, so I bought this book expecting more. However, it has nothing to do with the first book, so it's obviously a disingenuous marketing ploy. I read about 90 pages of the book and then gave up. I just think it's stupid. It makes no sense. The book is about these army combat robots that can unleash all kinds of horrors on the other side, but they are controlled by mechanics and controllers thousands of miles away in a bunker or some place ...more
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En el futuro de la Tierra, la tecnología ha cambiado la guerra. Las superpotencias superan desmesuradamente en fuerza a sus contrincantes del Tercer Mundo, gracias al uso de la nanofragua (un máquina que fabrica cualquier cosa) y de soldados-robot controlados a kilómetros de distancia del campo de batalla. Julián es un científico involucrado en uno de estos grupos de soldados mecánicos, implicado fortuitamente en un proyecto que podría acabar con
This novel follows protagonist Julian Class, an uneasy draftee into a war whose motives he is unconvinced by. Advances in technology have made it such that 'mechanics' such as him fight battles from thousands of kilometres away - in relative safety - controlling massive 'soliderboy' mechanized units. The real twist in the technology is that squads of ten 'soldierboys' are simultaneously controlled by a group of ten individuals who share one consciousness. The description and exploration of share ...more
Craig Hughes
Although a lot of interesting ideas are laid out as a deeper exploration of the technologies and ideologies presented in Forever War and the collective conscience of "Man" in Forever Free, some of the core premises of this tale don't really bear scrutiny.

The idea that full sensory telepresence would cause the death of Soldierboy operators if their avatars were destroyed with sufficient violence is a huge stretch of credulity to begin with (just as it was in The Matrix), but even if it were a lik
Darin Ramsey
I don't see how anyone could think this was a "sequel" to The Forever War in any way beyond philosophically; it says it isn't on the back cover copy, in Haldeman's foreword, and in several of the quoted reviews in this edition. The biggest problem I had with Forever Peace was the uneven pacing.

The book starts slowly, in my opinion, especially if you've read the back copy and expect what it says in the first 150 pages. Those pages provide what becomes necessary background, character-building, and
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David Mcangus
I was prepared for the worst before reading Forever Peace. Following on from a novel as genre defining as The Forever War, brings with it a list of conflicting challenges. While this book is indeed not up to par with the original, it takes the smart path and doesn't try to impersonate it. It covers similar themes, but instead of focusing on future war. It chooses to look closure at the impact of technology on society and its inhabitants, rather than one man's experience through centuries of conf ...more
When people who are skeptical about the merits of Science Fiction ask me about a book I'm reading, I always use the following formula.

Good science fiction usually takes a world or universe similar to ours, introduce a few futuristic principals, and then examine social, political, economic, and/or emotional conditions in this world. The fabricated concepts are fantastical, but conceivable in today's exploding technological advancements. It is easier to earn the respect of Non-SF readers in this f
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Haldeman is the author of 20 novels and five collections. The Forever War won the Nebula, Hugo and Ditmar Awards for best science fiction novel in 1975. Other notable titles include Camouflage, The Accidental Time Machine and Marsbound as well as the short works "Graves," "Tricentennial" and "The Hemingway Hoax." Starbound is scheduled for a January release. SFWA pres
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