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The Signal and the Noise: Why So Many Predictions Fail - But Some Don't
by
Nate Silver
Nate Silver built an innovative system for predicting baseball performance, predicted the 2008 election within a hair’s breadth, and became a national sensation as a blogger—all by the time he was thirty. The New York Times now publishes FiveThirtyEight.com, where Silver is one of the nation’s most influential political forecasters.
Drawing on his own groundbreaking work, S...more
Drawing on his own groundbreaking work, S...more
Hardcover, 544 pages
Published
September 27th 2012
by Penguin
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The Signal and the Noise is a very interesting book with mixed success: 3 1/2 stars, were this permitted. I found it somewhat difficult to review; however, my entire book group – without exception – had similar opinions. I would encourage you to view this as a group opinion.
At its best, TSANTN is interesting, illustrative, educational, and provocative. And many chapters – including banking, the weather, volcanoes, elections, and poker – were exactly that. Four stars, without hesitation. The prob...more
At its best, TSANTN is interesting, illustrative, educational, and provocative. And many chapters – including banking, the weather, volcanoes, elections, and poker – were exactly that. Four stars, without hesitation. The prob...more
Up front, I should say that I used to work in earthquake prediction and ten years ago I actually proposed writing a broad book like this about prediction and why it usually doesn't work. No publisher wanted it, but then again I'm not Nate Silver. I'm glad someone put together a sane, cool look at the successes (rare) and failures (often) in the prediction game that actually is getting read. There was a very good book on this topic, The Fortune Sellers, that came out about 15 years ago and was ig...more
I had read most of this book with a fair degree of equanimity - finding some faults, but also a lot of good information in it. Then I'm jarred out of complacency by a sudden shot from nowhere, in which he says that David Hume, one of the greatest philosophers of the 18th century, is simply too 'daft to understand' probabilistic arguments. Without any introduction to the subject, he claims Hume is stuck in some 'skeptical shell' that prevents him from understanding the simple, elegant solutions o...more
Nate Silver has done an incredible (and, quite possibly an unpredictable) thing with _The Signal and the Noise_: He has written an extremely good book when he didn't even have to. Nothing is more common than for someone like Silver--a media phenom with a strong platform (his 538 blog) to phone a book in to cash in on his 15 minutes. I have probably read two dozen books in the past five years that do exactly this. But _The Signal and the Noise_ is a much more substantial book than, say, _The Blac...more
This is a really amazing book - a must read for anyone who makes decisions or judgement calls. Even before I had finished the book it caused me to look at some of the assumptions and bad forecasts I was making as well as recognising "patterns" as noise.
There is nothing "new" in this book, just well established and solid methods applied well and explained very coherently. The writing is excellent, the graphics helpful and the type not too small. There are plenty of footnotes (relevant to the page...more
There is nothing "new" in this book, just well established and solid methods applied well and explained very coherently. The writing is excellent, the graphics helpful and the type not too small. There are plenty of footnotes (relevant to the page...more
I followed Nate Silver's blog (FiveThirtyEight) closely during the run-up to election day 2012. His premise was simple: grab every public poll possible, attempt to correct for pollsters' known biases, and produce a forecast based on the result. Somehow no one had thought to do this before. Silver simply crunched the numbers and nailed the outcomes in every state. Meanwhile, pundits, bloggers, and assorted blowhards made predictions based on nothing but gut feeling and partisan hackery, and they...more
I really enjoyed this - it was actually what I expected, but I'm not sure if its what everyone expects.
Firstly, don't bother unless you're a complete statistics geek (I am). But of statistics, there's loads and loads, from baseball to poker to chess to 9/11 (and terrorism) to weather to earthquakes. So many great graphs and use of statistics tests to prove or disprove something.
Mostly its about Bayesian theory - how and when its used, along with what it could be used for.
What it's not is a Nate...more
Firstly, don't bother unless you're a complete statistics geek (I am). But of statistics, there's loads and loads, from baseball to poker to chess to 9/11 (and terrorism) to weather to earthquakes. So many great graphs and use of statistics tests to prove or disprove something.
Mostly its about Bayesian theory - how and when its used, along with what it could be used for.
What it's not is a Nate...more
The Signal and the Noise is no light read, however, it is deeply fascinating. In the course of thirteen chapters with a conclusion, he moves through the world of “Fat Tail” events, and a thick dark historical flock of “Black Swans,” (a term for an unforeseen outcome) as he delivers the details of the story behind various predictions gone horribly wrong. In an age of computers, armed with advanced statistical programs, one would expect that man has come to the point of eliminating at least some o...more
Forecasting future outcomes is required in almost every human activity: from leaving the apartment with an umbrella to folding in a game of “Texas Hold-em.” In The Signal and the Noise, author Nate Silver uses areas of relative expertise (e.g. Poker and Baseball), as well as less familiar topics (e.g. Earthquake forecasting, Virus outbreaks), to highlight common biases that tend to skew the accuracy of predictions. Silver strolls through each chapter-topic in an accessible manner, punctuating hi...more
Some good insights here, as well as a very good chapter on IBM's chess playing computer. Most mainstream accounts spin this narrative as "computer finally vanquishes man at chess." The real, full story is much more complicated and shows just how much the competition between Kasparov and Deep Blue was really between one man and a team of programmers who made continual adjustments to their algorithm. The section on rating a shortstops fielding abilities was equally excellent.
On the downside, Silve...more
On the downside, Silve...more
I would give this about 3.5 stars. I read this book for a book club at work. Whether it was a good choice for that is another story, but overall, I was surprised by how much I liked this book. I thought it was going to be boring, irritating, partisan, pseudo-science used to try to bolster positions on topics that I didn’t really agree with. He tends to have rather agnostic positions about the topics he discusses, which makes the book decent. Books like this tend to seem to be one of two flavors:...more
An excellent read, with very detailed insights into areas in which Silver has a wealth of personal experience, including limit Texas Hold'em, baseball statistics used in forecasting player performance, and political polling, combined with insights derived from extensive interviews with top practitioners in many, many other diverse areas. Although I worked my way through more details on professional gambling than I would have thought I could handle, similarly baseball performance forecasting, the...more
This is a good book on the role of probability in natural sciences, social sciences, games, and sports. Silver examines areas where we've done poorly in our predictions (e.g. economy, earthquakes, infectious diseases, global climate change), where we've made improvements in our predictions (e.g. weather forecast), and where we can do fairly well due to the availability of good data (e.g. sports, games, elections). The chapter on how Deep Blue beat Kasparov is fascinating, but a single paragraph...more
Pretty good survey of how predictions go wrong, how they sometimes go right, and what can be done to improve forecasting in subjects as diverse as terrorism and earthquakes. Engaging and filled with numbers as well as with personal stories from Silver's interests in baseball, poker, and electoral forecasting.
Interestingly, although Silver supports what he calls a Bayesian approach to forecasting, and he shows that a Bayesian approach is a sound one, he also manages to falsify Bayes's theorem its...more
Interestingly, although Silver supports what he calls a Bayesian approach to forecasting, and he shows that a Bayesian approach is a sound one, he also manages to falsify Bayes's theorem its...more
A love song to Bayesian reasoning on par with http://xkcd.com/1132/.
Proposes an answer to a question that baffled me during the most recent economic collapse; why so many people driving the crisis maintained, with all apparent earnestness, that no one saw it coming while the record reveals that LOTS of people did. Lots of people spoke movingly about housing bubbles. Lots of people suspected that collateralized debt obligations were far riskier than rated and some were vastly overvalued. But the...more
Proposes an answer to a question that baffled me during the most recent economic collapse; why so many people driving the crisis maintained, with all apparent earnestness, that no one saw it coming while the record reveals that LOTS of people did. Lots of people spoke movingly about housing bubbles. Lots of people suspected that collateralized debt obligations were far riskier than rated and some were vastly overvalued. But the...more
This is a fantastic book about predictions. I enjoyed every page. The book is filled to the brim with diagrams and charts that help get the points across. The book is divided into two parts. The first part is an examination of all the ways that predictions go wrong. The second part is about how applying Bayes Theorem can make predictions go right.
The book focuses on predictions in a wide variety of topics; economics, the stock market, politics, baseball, basketball, weather, climate, earthquakes...more
The book focuses on predictions in a wide variety of topics; economics, the stock market, politics, baseball, basketball, weather, climate, earthquakes...more
I read this because I heard Silver on the radio before the election talking about how wrong so many electoral polls are and how right his was in 2008. And he predicted that Obama would win, which I found comforting because the news was not very comforting.
The book discusses prediction, not only in terms of what it takes to have good predictions, but in terms of possibility of prediction. 100 years ago weather prediction was all but impossible; how they're pretty good. And hurricane prediction h...more
The book discusses prediction, not only in terms of what it takes to have good predictions, but in terms of possibility of prediction. 100 years ago weather prediction was all but impossible; how they're pretty good. And hurricane prediction h...more
Nate Silver writes in a very easy, conversational style. It's almost like sitting next to the man and listening to what he thinks about statistics. That said, the book delves into the details of a wide range of subjects to which accurate predictions are essential, and talks about the arbitrariness of the significance levels we use today. He mainly discusses the importance of it to seismology, baseball, weather reporting, poker games and terrorism. There is also a great section in which he talks...more
A very good book on its stated topic - the realities of forecasting.
The book suffers greatly when he strays from that particular topic. Very simplistic dismissals of detailed and complex arguments from top-notch intellectuals.
He also has an extremely strong and often-stated opinion on the Bayesian vs. Frequentist statistics argument, which would be fine if not for the fact that everything he writes about it suggests that he does not really understand either side of the argument. He assigns a lo...more
The book suffers greatly when he strays from that particular topic. Very simplistic dismissals of detailed and complex arguments from top-notch intellectuals.
He also has an extremely strong and often-stated opinion on the Bayesian vs. Frequentist statistics argument, which would be fine if not for the fact that everything he writes about it suggests that he does not really understand either side of the argument. He assigns a lo...more
I loved this book. It is one of the most interesting and intelligent books I have read for years. And I found his writing style very comprehensible. Indeed his explanation of Bayes Theorem which has eluded me for years finally made the penny drop. His chapters cover not only political and economic forecasting, but weather, climate, sports, earthquakes and many other areas. His examples are brilliantly illustrative and he is rightly cautious on the whole area of forecasting, risk and uncertainty....more
It's interesting in how he applies Bayesian Probability Theory in varying contexts. However, I ultimately found it unfulfilling. Maybe I can get more out of it in a second reading but I was looking for a more detailed, how-to book as well as the some of the underpinnings. Instead I mostly found it superficial in how to apply it. He makes a semi-convincing argument of the advantages, most notably through his incredible success in baseball and elections, however what about the underpinnings and as...more
This book covers various statistical misconceptions in variety of settings including but not limited to poker, weather prediction, baseball, terrorist attack prediction, and more. Its main thesis is that in order for one to produce accurate and reliable statistical models, it’s essential to differentiate between the signal (the actual data) and the noise (the surrounding misleading or perhaps uncorrelated data). In each of these fields a number of interesting anecdotes are presented to illustrat...more
This book has entered the select group of books that I consider essential reading for those who want to learn something substantial when they read. For those with some background in probability and statistics (electrical engineers and mathematicians), the basics in the book may be straightforward, but there will be tidbits of new information for you. For the layperson, a little patience and thought will hopefully open your eyes to the power of probability and statistics. Examples in the book ran...more
Highly recommended for anyone who believes anything "pundits" on tv say or anyone who doesn't look beyond the media's packaged narratives of the world. Unfortunately, those who need to read this book the most are exactly the ones who won't. And while there are hundreds of books out there like this pointing to the misuses of data and overconfidence in forecasters' own abilities to forecast, this is one of the most accessible.
Silver's main points are:
1. We now have a lot of data
2. That data can be...more
Silver's main points are:
1. We now have a lot of data
2. That data can be...more
Nate Silver is clearly trying to do the "unusual analysis of normal occurances" thing that Freakonomics did, although his topics are a bit bigger and his discussion is a little more numbers oriented. Unfortunately, it's also less engaging. He's not a terrible writer, per se, especially given how data driven he is, but he's also not particularly compelling.
A lot of the subjects he covers are potentially interesting. The problem is that the academic tone combined with his often abstract subject m...more
A lot of the subjects he covers are potentially interesting. The problem is that the academic tone combined with his often abstract subject m...more
I think this book would have been better if it had stuck to the analytical journalistic style of the first few chapters. Silver does a good job of describing the problems and progress of various predictive fields, including weather forecasting, economic forecasting, earthquake detection and election analysis. The chapters about poker and the betting industry seemed to be the main vehicle for much of Silver's argument, and were a little overextended. Although there's nothing particularly original...more
Nate Silver has become quite famous by using statistical tools to make predictions, from baseball to his success in forecasting the last presidential elections. In the midst of so much ‘fog of election’s war’, he was one of the few sane voices that relied on fair analysis of pooling data to predict results in every state. That we have these days so much science but also so much ‘noise’ is the genesis of his book.
Just the first few pages of the book, comparing our era of over-information with the...more
Just the first few pages of the book, comparing our era of over-information with the...more
Data science is the buzzword in the eyes of funding agencies, hiring committees, and technically-oriented press alike. CS departments are desperate to get people who do "big data," and statisticians and scientists who actually have experience with data management are suddenly hot commodities. NSF explicitly calls for proposals that address "big data" problems. And it's not just a buzzy topic among technical folks. Listen for the stories on predicting flu outbreaks based on Google search patterns...more
First question when I picked up this book was Who is Nate Silver? And why would I want to read a book of his?
The author wastes no time in stamping his authority in the opening pages. Nate Silver is the author of the FiveThirtyEight blog, syndicated by The New York Times, which correctly predicted the results of the 2012 U.S. presidential elections for all 50 states and 49 out of 50 states in the preceding 2008 election. His clear predictions flew in the face of mainstream pundits who hyped up bo...more
The author wastes no time in stamping his authority in the opening pages. Nate Silver is the author of the FiveThirtyEight blog, syndicated by The New York Times, which correctly predicted the results of the 2012 U.S. presidential elections for all 50 states and 49 out of 50 states in the preceding 2008 election. His clear predictions flew in the face of mainstream pundits who hyped up bo...more
Silver's gone 99 for 100 on predicting the state winners of the last two presidential elections. Here he goes something like 7 for 13, very good in parts, solid in some, and misfires in others. It's well-researched, mostly objective (but by no means totally), but it rarely covers anything I didn't already know. If you've read Michael Lewis's The Big Short and Moneyball you can skip chapters 1 and 3 and if you've ever had a class that proves pundits are not any more accurate forecasters than the...more
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