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  <title><![CDATA[Gorgias]]></title>
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  <default_description>Taking the form of a dialogue among Socrates, Gorgias, Polus, and Callicles, the &lt;I&gt;Gorgias&lt;/I&gt; debates crucial questions about the nature of government. While the aspiring politician Callicles propounds the view that might is right, and the rhetorician Gorgias argues that oratory and the power to persuade represent &amp;#147;the greatest good,&amp;#148; Socrates insists on the duty of politicians to consider the welfare of their citizens&amp;#151;a duty he believed had been dishonored in the Athens of his time. The dialogue offers fascinating insights into how classical Athens was governed and creates a theoretical framework that has been highly influential on subsequent political debate.</default_description>
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  <original_publication_year type="integer">1952</original_publication_year>
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      <name><![CDATA[Plato]]></name>
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    <body><![CDATA[Well, if one was to sum up, it would be hard to go past Plato’s own summary: <br/><br/>“And of all that has been said, nothing remains unshaken but the saying, that to do injustice is more to be avoided than to suffer injustice, and that the reality and not the appearance of virtue is to be fo...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/16816614">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <date_added>Sat Aug 01 11:59:10 -0700 2009</date_added>
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    <body><![CDATA[I read this twenty years ago and participated in my first weekend retreat sponsored by the Basic Program of Liberal Education of The University of Chicago.  It was an exciting weekend as we sat up past midnight discussing Plato's arguments for education and the power of the sophists represented by G...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/65777547">more...</a>]]></body>
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  <date_added>Fri Sep 18 07:31:22 -0700 2009</date_added>
  <date_updated>Fri Sep 18 07:33:48 -0700 2009</date_updated>
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    <body><![CDATA[What can I say about Plato that hasn't already been said: either here, or by the editor of my edition, who was generous enough to point out all the flaws in Socrates' arguments.  I read this for its discussion of rhetoric, and came away somewhat enlightened, stimulated, and angry.  If that helps.]]></body>
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  <read_at>Mon Sep 07 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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  <date_updated>Mon Sep 07 00:16:38 -0700 2009</date_updated>
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    <body><![CDATA[A fun read (Though maybe just for people who enjoy logical philosophizing (INTJs?)). Socrates absolutely works the other characters by getting them to assent to simple questions and then after a long trail, Socrates sums sums it all up and shows how the other contradicted their previous assertions.]]></body>
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    <review id="73863005">
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  <read_at>Wed Oct 07 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[just finished taking my High School Rhetoric class through this dialogue. In my mind, it is an important starting point as it stimulates thoughts regarding the relationship between rhetorical 'skill' and ethics.  Rhetoric to what end?]]></body>
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    <review id="73073898">
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    <body><![CDATA[Excellent Book. Aptly manifests the genius that Socrates in his debates with Gorgias and how he smoothly corners his opponents until they are forced to speak out that which they cannot or do not want to express!]]></body>
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    <review id="63528128">
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  <read_at>Wed Aug 05 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[One of the better dialogues in that it manages to raise most of the big issues of virtue and citizenship in way which does not feel to rushed or overly contrived. It's the first dialogue I've read which actually made me smirk when Socrates offered a witty retort or a brilliant condemnation of someon...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/63528128">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <review id="68418837">
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  <read_at>Sat Aug 22 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[This book was a really intriguing and enjoyable read.  Not that I'm endorsing Plato's keys to happiness or anything.]]></body>
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    <review id="28170877">
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  <read_at>Thu Jul 31 00:00:00 -0700 2008</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[Granted, this book is not an &quot;easy read.&quot;  It is, however, the editor simplifies it a bit by including a synopsis at the beginning and ending of each part of the dialog.<br/><br/>The dialog itself is very interesting.  It debates the value of oratory as an art form, and discusses the vir...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/28170877">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <review id="70319014">
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    <name><![CDATA[Mikel]]></name>
    <location><![CDATA[Madison, WI]]></location>        
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  <read_at>Sat Sep 05 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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  <date_updated>Sun Sep 06 22:14:43 -0700 2009</date_updated>
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    <body><![CDATA[Well, it is Plato.<br/><br/>What should a review be here?]]></body>
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    <review id="58609785">
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  <date_updated>Fri Jun 05 20:17:59 -0700 2009</date_updated>
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    <body><![CDATA[Maybe it was just me, but I found this book very funny.]]></body>
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    <review id="71036254">
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  <read_at>Sat Aug 01 00:00:00 -0700 2009</read_at>
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  <date_updated>Sun Sep 13 00:47:39 -0700 2009</date_updated>
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    <body><![CDATA[Just be quiet, Socrates. You are being rude.]]></body>
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    <review id="35160756">
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  <date_added>Sun Oct 12 21:44:12 -0700 2008</date_added>
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    <body><![CDATA[Compared to the Republic, it is much shorter, more direct, less deliberative in its construction of morality.  A central question is whether it can be shown that it is better to be moral and a victim of injurious actions than to commit and profit from them.  It also scrutinizes the nature of a good ...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/35160756">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <review id="37573392">
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    <name><![CDATA[Jason]]></name>
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  <date_added>Wed Nov 12 18:58:43 -0800 2008</date_added>
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    <body><![CDATA[Sacrilegious though it surely is to give Plato such a low rating, Gorgias reminded me of why I disliked reading the Socratic dialogues in school.  The content is good but the pace of the argument is awfully slow.  One feels that Socrates could have used at least 20% fewer words without conceding his...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/37573392">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <review id="20409873">
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    <body><![CDATA[Interesting, and very paradigmatically novel (to me--it's actually really old).  Has the crucial flaw that men are, and desire to do, good, and that good necessarily equates to pleasure.  Also assumes that evil necessarily is painful.  Keep that in mind, and enjoy.  Some decent satire, and pretty qu...<a href="http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/20409873">more...</a>]]></body>
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    <review id="27019546">
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    <body><![CDATA[The only reason I like this dialogue is because if you read it carefully, you can see what dumb fucking bag of shit Plato is.  Moreover, this text is one of the primary reasons why rhetoric is considered a baser art in Western Philosophy.  Eat my ass, Plato.  I'm glad Socrates was executed.  ]]></body>
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    <review id="8961938">
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    <name><![CDATA[Stuart]]></name>
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  <read_at>Sun Jan 20 11:45:04 -0800 2008</read_at>
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    <body><![CDATA[The focus of this dialogue is the value of the skill and pursuit of public speaking.  I found the arguments within thought-provoking, and they changed my views regarding public speaking, but they would be very difficult to describe succinctly.]]></body>
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    <review id="8378872">
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    <body><![CDATA[Required college reading. <br/>That said, it was an interesting play. <br/>Round and round the arguement would go, leading everywhere, touching on everything, yet never really answering the questions at hand....<br/><br/>circular talking at its best.]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[Robin Waterfield's translation of this important Platonic dialogue is accessible and reads quickly.  The intermittent summaries (in italics) are useful, and Waterfield includes a detailed bibliography in the introduction.]]></body>
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    <body><![CDATA[As I re-read Plato as an adult,  I begin to see that his arguments often over reach, and would not be sustained by a good cross examination. These are issues that provoke thought , and deserve to be engaged]]></body>
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