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O que se passa dentro de nós quando lemos um romance? E como é que o romance cria os seus efeitos únicos comparados com outras formas de arte?
Orhan Pamuk, prémio Nobel da Literatura, inspirou-se no ensaio de Schiller Sobre a Poesia Ingénua e a Sentimental como tema para abordar múltiplas questões ligadas ao romance. Em O Romancista Ingénuo e o Sentimental, obra subtil e pe
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Paperback, , 144 pages
Published March 6th 2012 by Editorial Presença (first published January 1st 2009)
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FeReSHte
دوست داشتنی تر از حدی بود که انتظار داشتم
وقتی درس گفتارهای شامل تجربیات و نظرات شخصی نویسنده ای مثل اورهان پاموک در هر دو زمینه ی "نویسندگی" و بیشتر " رمان خوانی" در قالب یه کتاب یک جا جمع شن، حاصل شیرین خواهد بود

شش درس گفتار ارائه شده در این کتاب به موضوعات جالبی می پردازند و پروسه ای که در ذهن و ناخودآگاه خواننده طی رمان خواندن شکل می گیره رو به نوعی برجسته تر و متفاوت گونه عیان می کنند

چرا رمان می خوانیم و آیا نوشتن رمان و خواندنش اصلا فایده ای هم داره؟ وقتی رمان می خونیم دنبال چه هستیم و در
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مروان البلوشي
يبدأ أورهان باموك في أول فصول هذا الكتاب بواحدة من عباراته التي تحفر عميقاً في عقل القارئ والتي يفتتح بها رواياته في العادة، عندما يقول "الروايات هي حيوات ثانية نعيشها". يضم الكتاب ستة محاضرات ألقاها الروائي التركي الفائز بجائزة نوبل في جامعة هارفارد الأمريكية العريقة حول مواضيع مختلفة تتصل بتجربة باموك وحياته كروائي (التي بدأت منذ 1972) وخبرته كقارئ عميق لفن الرواية. جذبتني عناوين هذه المحاضرات فور شرائي للكتاب:
• ماذا يحدث في عقولنا عندما نقرأ الروايات؟
• باموك بيك، هل وقعت أحداث الرواية لك فعلا
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Tanuj Solanki
The good lectures and the average book

Schiller's schism of poets - the naive, who jejunely write on impulse; and the sentimental, who write conscious of the act of writing and the artifices it demands - begets this book, which, throughout its length, deftly eschews the postures of a comprehensive treatise on literature; hiding, a bit too smugly it must be said, in its conceptualization as the Charles Eliot Norton Lectures. As for the lectures, one can almost imagine them infusing in the particip
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Gregory Mone
A wonderful book for a writer or a lover of literature. Pamuk makes some really enlightening points about narration and the fundamental role of the novel. I wish the book had somehow captured the feeling of the original lectures, though. Particularly the Q&A sessions at the end of each one. I was lucky enough to attend five out of the six lectures at Harvard, and it was interesting to see how Pamuk responded to the questions. At one point a student admitted that she skipped the descriptions ...more
سلطان
توقعت عملاً أجمل، هذا لا يعني أن الكتاب كان سيئاً، لكنه لم يكن مثلاً ككتابه: ألوان أخرى. باختصار لم يكن ممتعاً.
ربما تكمن المشكلة في الترجمة التي لم تكن سلسة ولم تكن سيئة في الوقت نفسه. وربما كان لطبيعة مادة الكتاب التي احتوت على مجموعة محاضرات لباموق عن الرواية سبب في جمود محتواها.
في الأخير لم يضف الكتاب لي شيئاً جديداً.
Helle
For anyone interested in what our minds do when we read (and write) novels, this is a book full of interesting insights, seen through the prism of Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk’s own novels and the novels he has spent his life reading. To me there is something endlessly fascinating about authors’ viewing the writing of other authors, their loving dissection of their favourite works.

This book is based on a series of lectures given by Pamuk, much like Forster’s lectures on the aspects of the novel,
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Janet
Haven't read him before, but the clarity and subtlety and thoughfulness about the phenomenon of reading (and writing) novels is striking--the careful teasing apart of all the things the mind does when immersed in a novel. What we're looking for when we enter a novel, that what sets a novel apart from other literary and narrative forms is that it sets the reader looking for the center of the book, the heart of it, which will reveal something about the nature of life--I know this short book will I ...more
Srinivas
Novels are second lives. Like the dreams that the French poet Gerard de Nerval speaks of, novels reveal the colors and complexities of our lives and are full of people, faces, and objects we feel we recognize.
Sarah
Orhan Pamuk continues to be among my favorite writers. With this book on novel-writing, he distinguishes the naive novelist (everything is imaginary) from the sentimental novelist (everything is a reflection of the novelist's real life) and explains why the very best writers must balance between the two mindsets when writing fiction.

What is at the heart of the very best novels? It is the ambiguity between what is "real" and what is imagined by the writer. It is at the center of this ambiguity th
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Omar Taufik
As a semi beginner in the world of novels & fiction, I have to admit that I could not fully absorb this book compared to an experienced reader in this field. But this book is definatly a great eye opener for beginners in the field.
The book is based on the essay written by Schiller on the difference between the Naive and sentimentalist poet but applying it to novelists.
The author gives great insight on the world of novels from both the aspects of the writer and reader. This insight will actu
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Ahmad Sharabiani
Saf ve dusunceli romancı, 2011, Orhan Pamuk (1952)
عنوان: رمان نویس ساده نگر و رمان نویس اندیشمند؛ نویسنده: اورهان پاموک؛ مترجم: علیرضا سیف الدینی؛ مشخصات نشر: تهران، نیلوفر، 1392، در 176 ص. و اندازه 14/5 در 21/5 س.م.، شابک: 978964448593؛ کتاب با عنوان «با و بی تکلف» با ترجمه «عین له غریب»، توسط نشر نگاه در سال 1392 در 248 ص، و شابک: 9789643518813؛ نیز، منتشر شده است؛ موضوع: نویسندگان ترک، قرن 20 م، سرگذشتنامه، داستان، تاریخ و نقد، داستان نویسی، ادبیات ترکی
فهرست: یادداشت، پیش گفتار مترجم، هنگام م
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Stephen
I distrust classifications that limit people to types, especially only two types, but what Pamuk does here, using Schiller's distinction between naive poets (those who compose without regard to theoretical of formal concerns) and sentimental/reflective (those who are preoccupied with the artifice of artistic creation) works well enough as a general and flexible rule as to seem comprehensive. Especially interesting in Pamuk's lectures is the importance he places on the visual: a number of times h ...more
Mayada Khalil
قراءة في كتاب "الروائي الساذج والحساس"
ميادة خليل


"هذا الكتاب هو كلٌ متكامل يضم معظم الأشياء المهمة التي عرفتها وتعلمتها عن الرواية"

أورهان باموك

ماذا يجري في عقلنا عندما نقرأ الروايات؟ كيف نحوّل الكلمات إلى صور ذهنية؟ لماذا نقرأ الروايات؟ من هو القارئ الساذج ومن هو القارئ الحساس؟. ومن جانب آخر, بماذا يفكر الروائي أثناء عملية الكتابة؟ ماذا يعتقد حول القارئ؟ كيف يخطط لروايته؟ كيف يختار محور الرواية, موضوع الرواية, فكرة الرواية وعلى أي أساس؟ ما العلاقة بين المتحف والرواية؟ ما العلاقة بين اللوحة والروا
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Kavya Srinivasan
Lovely, wonderful, informative! Super thankful Kasturi gave this one to me.
Prateek
How many time does it occur to us that we begin to believe in the fictional world created by the author? Or how many times do we fall in favor of the fact that fiction is the disguised reality which is smartly engendered by the word wizards? Or how many times does Novel genre of literature actually resemble a 'mirror' reflecting the world around us, people around us and at times the person within us all?

With such realizations felt and observed it becomes hard to draw a line for a work of fiction
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Patrick
This is an enjoyable and relatively short work of non-fiction, originally presented as a series of lectures, which was given to me for my birthday. It took me far too long to finish because of general life stuff. I haven’t actually read any of the author’s novels before, so I was in the unusual position of having only assumptions to draw upon with regards to his earlier work, but this turned out to not matter so much.

The style is a fairly typical combination of literary criticism and personal e
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Suniti Pande
I really enjoyed reading Pamuk's book and his description of the subjectivity of the reader in the act of the reading, the constant tension between believing and disbelieving. I agree with Pamuk, that the charm of the prose, the passion of the voice and the clarity of the details beguile us into falling in love with the world created in the book.

But for me the tension even if present is not constant, it is sequential. When I first read a book I take it in a breathless whole and it is in the seco
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هلال
Excerpts:

- Now, I should mention that this great joy of writing and reading novels is obstructed or bypassed by two kinds of readers:
1. Completely naive readers, who always read a text as an autobiography or as a sort of a disguised chronicle of lived experience, no matter how many times you warn them that they are reading a novel
2. Completely sentimental-reflective readers, who think that all texts are constructs and fiction anyway, no matter how many times you warn them that they are reading
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Raffi
Orhan Pamuk writes about the behind-the-scenes of novel writing and how the novel has evolved, as well as his style of writing. He divides a novelist between being a naive one or a sentimental one, adding that the perfect novelist is one who combine both.

This is my first encounter of Pamuk and I can say that I was positively surprised to some of the behind-the-scenes facts that he reveals (he even mentions that he's revealing 'secrets' that perhaps other novelists wouldn't want him to :).
Jiunwen Wang
Lovely book about the joys of reading a novel. Orhan Pamuk describes the process of reading a novel as akin to looking at a landscape painting. He dwells a lot on the mental images the reader generates based on the words the author uses, and talks about the writer being secretly envious of the painter. This analogy between reading a novel and looking at a painting is an interesting one. But my own reflection is that the same words or phrases conjure up very different images in different people's ...more
Bernie Gourley
The Naïve and the Sentimental Novelist is Orhan Pamuk’s theory of the novel, and is based on a series of lectures given by the Turkish Nobel Laureate in 2009. It’s a brief work, consisting of less than 200 pages written across six chapters plus an epilogue. Pamuk explores just a handful of concepts, but he elaborates on each with examples from literature. Having said that, Pamuk has the novelist’s gift for strategic ambiguity, and there are some ideas--such as the “secret center of the novel”--f ...more
Susan Merrell
His writing is as beautiful as always here, but I found myself bothered by how theoretical the discussion was. I was expecting something more akin to Calvino's Norton lectures, a book that would both uplift my thinking and guide my writing. Here I was moved by Pamuk's prose--I think he is among the best working writers of our time--but I did not close the book aching to try his way of working. I was equally disappointed and engaged at the same time.
Paul Bridgwater
The best book on writing and reading novels that I have read since Forster's Aspects of the Novel - and it is more personal than Forster. The whole series of lectures builds on a distinction by Schiller between reading (and writing) naively - i.e. getting lost in a good book, and reading sentimentally, i.e. being aware of what triggers the emotional response and identification with the main characters. If you love novels, read this book!
Angel
دوست داشتنی تر از حدی بود که انتظار داشتم
وقتی درس گفتارهای شامل تجربیات و نظرات شخصی نویسنده ای مثل اورهان پاموک در هر دو زمینه ی "نویسندگی" و بیشتر " رمان خوانی" در قالب یه کتاب یک جا جمع شن، حاصل شیرین خواهد بود

شش درس گفتار ارائه شده در این کتاب به موضوعات جالبی می پردازند و پروسه ای که در ذهن و ناخودآگاه خواننده طی رمان خواندن شکل می گیره رو به نوعی برجسته تر و متفاوت گونه عیان می کنند

چرا رمان می خوانیم و آیا نوشتن رمان و خواندنش اصلا فایده ای هم داره؟ وقتی رمان می خونیم دنبال چه هستیم و در
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Mohammad Zeidan
Definitely changed the way I look at writing and reading. I've always thought about self-consciousness in writing, but I've never considered it part of the reading process as well.
The vast knowledge and great wit of Pamuk made decide to devour all his other books and novels, and to be really immersed in his works for a while.
I definitely recommend this book for any amateur writer.
Semnebune
Scriitor turc, este unul dintre acei autori aparte, care a privit actul creator într-un fel personal și pe care ni-l dezvăluie, parțial bineînțeles, căci ce magician scoate toți așii din mânecă?, în volumul său, Romancierul naiv și sentimental (The Naive and the sentimental novelist). Cartea este constituită dintr-o serie de prelegeri despre literatură pe care autorul le-a susținut la Harvard în cadrul Charles Eliot Norton Lectures, pe care mai apoi le-a publicat sub acest titlu. Și ne bucurăm c ...more
Alireza
کتاب بسیار مفید و خوبی است. به صحیح کلمه، خوب. صحبت از تجربیات شخصی نویسنده، اورحان پاموک، است در باب رمان نویسی. شامل شش بخش است که قبلاً در دانشگاه هاروارد تدریس و سپس در شکل کتابی کم حجم، روان و مفید منتشرش کرده.
Moureco
Este livro é a organização para publicação das Conferências Norton que Pamuk proferiu na universidade de Harvard. Um livro em 6 capítulos sobre a arte do Romance. Para quem escreve, quem aspira a escrever, e para todos os que desfrutam do prazer da leitura, um livro definitivamente a ler.
Deniz Irfan
Arkadaşımın hediyesiydi... İçinde de bir not;'Bir gün Nobel'e aday olman dileğiyle'...
Eskiden yazılmış bir makaleye atıfta bulunarak başlıyor; saf ve düşünceli yazarlar üzerine. Okurken, kendime usulca sorduğumu hatırlıyorum. Ben hangisiyim acaba?
Last Melancholic
" ჩვენ ვცხოვრობთ, რათა ოცნებით სინამდვილე შევცვალოთ..."

ფამუქის ესსე იმის შესახებ, რა არის რომანი, როგორ იქმნება იგი და რა პროცესებს გაივლის ჩვენი გონება მისი კითხვისას.
ერთი შეხედვით ბანალურია,მაგრამ საკმაოდ საინტერესო... როგორ აქცევს მკითხველი სიტყვებს ვიზუალურ ხატებად, რა კავშირი აქვს პირად გამოცდილებას რომანის "ფარული ცენტრის" გაგებასთან. მწერალის აზრით რომანი გვეხმარება იმაში, რომ "რეალობას" კი არ გავექცეთ, არამედ მის ყოველდღიურობაშიც დავინახოთ მცირეოდენი პოეტურობა.
მე ალბათ, საკუთარ თავს
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Orhan Pamuk was born in Istanbul in 1952 and grew up in a large family similar to those which he describes in his novels Cevdet Bey and His Sons and The Black Book, in the wealthy westernised district of Nisantasi. As he writes in his autobiographical book Istanbul, from his childhood until the age of 22 he devoted himself largely to painting and dreamed of becoming an artist. After graduating fro ...more
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