How Firm a Foundation

How Firm a Foundation (Safehold #5)

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The Charisian Empire, born in war, has always known it must fight for its very survival. What most of its subjects don’t know even now, however, is how much more it’s fighting for. Emperor Cayleb, Empress Sharleyan, Merlin Athrawes, and their innermost circle of most trusted advisers do know. And they know if they lose it will be far worse than their own deaths and the des...more
Paperback, 768 pages
Published July 31st 2012 by Tor Science Fiction (first published September 13th 2011)
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William Bentrim


How Firm A Foundation by David Weber

Ok, I’m losing count, this is another book in the excellent Safehold series. Safehold is a planet lost from an alien intelligence that has wiped out mankind except for Safehold. Safehold’s founders founded a new religion to deter industrialization in hopes of not attracting the attention of mankind’s nemesis.

The aforementioned theocracy has become dominated by the gang of four. The gang of four, are four corrupt churchmen who will do anything, no matter how d...more
Jo
This is the Fifth in the Safehold military science-fiction series that combines high tech with early 19th century technology in a world rent by religious warfare. [If you haven't read the other books, don't read this first. "Off Armageddon Reef" is the first. Read them in order.] I’ve listened to the four prior books as audio books, but couldn’t find the audio of this volume, so I read it – and got very little sleep until I finished it.

I love this series, in part, because it has real depth, not...more
Kathy Davie
Fifth in the Safehold military science-fiction series that combines high tech with early 19th century technology in a setting of religious warfare.

How can you tell evil? They're willing to kill anyone. Anyone not on their side is a heretic; anyone on their side is a martyr.


My Take
I hate David Weber. I was hoping that he'd finally conclude this series with this book and, while it appears to be getting close, I find I have to wait for the next installment…! Arghhhh!!! It's making me crazy! This se...more
Doc Opp
I really do like this series on the whole, and considered four stars, but ultimately felt that it didn't quite make that threshold. The book continues the saga of the realm of Safehold. Readers who have not read the other four books will have no idea what's happening - in fact, after waiting 8 months for this book to come out, I had trouble remembering various story elements, and Weber makes no effort to orient (or re-orient) readers who aren't on top of what's going on.

He also has a tendency t...more
Annette
Another thoroughly engaging, enjoyable, and occasionally thought provoking entry into Weber's growing "Safehold" series. (And, as this book covered only one calendar year in world, I see every reason to believe it will continue to grow!)
The Empire of Charis continues to dominate the seas, in large part due to their weapons development. And even Corisande, the most belligerent of their acquisitions, shows strong signs of calming down and accepting their rule. But they've still no realistic plan...more
Barbara
Weber has a story to tell and who knows how many books it will take. So fair warning to new readers--this is NOT the place to start. You really need to start with Off Armageddon Reef.

Though at first it seems like all Weber is doing is moving people around, there are a few bits of story arc that are tidied up and brought to a conclusion. A couple of these endings will make readers happy and one will probably break their hearts. And it always nice to catch up with the large cast of continuing char...more
Gigiabob
I place HFAF in the same category as "By Schism Rent Asunder" - pieces move about the table, jockeying for position and events are set in motion that require more segments to resolve. This is definitely a middle book in another story arc.

The excitement of Charisian naval victories and technical supremacy at sea is temporized by the Church moving to a strategy of terrorism, subversion and suicide bombers - all while promulgating oppression as it visit's the "Question" and Schulerite Torture on an...more
Jesse
The fifth installment of Weber's Safehold series I found to be an uptick from a couple of the previous books. The combat and politics flow a little more cleanly, and a couple of the things that were 'hanging out there' in the plot threads come more fully into the picture. For the most part, characterization remains strong. Weber continues to be willing to kill off secondary characters, though with the problem (carried over from the Harrington books) that sometimes the replacements aren't noticea...more
Ove
The Church Strikes Back …

I like the Safehold series and How Firm A Foundation is another good installment. Familiarity is sometimes a good thing, reading an author you like writing something like what he has done before. I often go for that in reading series but it also can become a bit repetitive. This is what happened to me here. This is just more of the same, these medieval battles as entertaining as they are, are starting to bore me and even if we are moving into steam and iron. I do expect...more
Jeffrey
David Weber's latest Safehold novel, titularly science fiction, has now swept straight into the alternative history segment of the field. True its an alternative history not shaped by events on Earth, but set in a far distant world, but its mostly a story about the conflict between a sailing empire and a religious empire who are coming to blows both at sea between their fleets and on land. Most of the action takes place at sea in the form of two richly detailed engagements and some terrorism on...more
Greg
This book was David Weber at his best. The web he weaves in this story is awesome and is getting better with every book. This book was one of the better ones in the series in that everything is not all rosy, there's a number things that happen that disrupt the plans of the Merlin and team, which highlight that even with all their advantages, they are not omnipotent, that the other guy can be just a smart too.

The tempo seems to be picking up a bit and it's looking like things will come to a head...more
Mojo
I thought this one was on par with the others in this series. To sum it up, I would say 'more of the same'. If you liked the other titles in this series you should like this one. If, on the other hand, you are looking for a more "High Tech" Weber than this isn't the book for you. Mr. Weber is clearly quite interested in the Age of Sail warfare and it shows. The detailed sea battles and (quite) lengthy passages on the operation and maintenance of a wind powered vessel are very well researched. A...more
Mark Horejsi
I've been reading David Weber's Safehold series for at least half a decade now. I'm a big fan of David Weber, I've also enjoyed his Mutineer's Moon and Honor Harrington books, but Safehold is the series that I think I've enjoyed the most. Well, I picked up How Firm a Foundation a few weeks ago, in celebration of having finished some editing, and read it over about six days. This is a hefty book and that should tell you how much I enjoyed it.

If you haven't read any of the Safehold series, don't...more
John Hill
Another great installment in the "Safehold" series.

One thing that I really liked about this book, was that in some ways I found the action really picking up again in this novel and the slow-moving pace of the previous two was pretty much gone.

Don't get me wrong, there are still a lot of places in the novel where I think some more inventive pacing could have been used, but there are not as many expositions in this novel as there were in the previous novel.

The novel is still very long, but this...more
Craig Beckett
Why do I keep reading these books? The dialogue is pretty amateurish. The characters are paper thin and the discussion of religion is way too optimistic. Weber wants me to believe that when a number of people find out their religion is a complete fabrication, as documented by a 1000 year old cybernetic being, not one becomes an atheist? Not only this but the cybernetic being in question witnessed the near extinction of humanity at the hands of a mysterious alien--is also a believer in God. I jus...more
Karina
Finally fnished. I don't know what it is, this time the book was slow-going. There was a little discontinuity I noticed--one of the Archangels left a some type of video apparently, and the person talking about didn't mention anything about how odd the Archangel sounded, how difficult it was to understand him. The idea is that there were only written records, no spoken audio/video, and the pronounciation shifted. Merlin had to learn the new pronounciations, and this is indicated in the shifted na...more
Steven Cole
Oct 02, 2011 Steven Cole rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition Recommends it for: Fans of Weber's Space Opera; also sea battle lovers
How Firm a Foundation is the fifth in Weber’s “Safehold” series of novels, and they really don’t seem to be getting tired at all. I loved this one. From the moment I picked it up, I felt like I was back in a world I thoroughly enjoy, ever eager to get to the next page.

The pace is somehow both fast and slow simultaneously. While I’m hard pressed to say things in the world have advanced much from the beginning to the end, at the same time the prose never dragged, and I never felt I was slogging th...more
Joshua Zucker
I love the premise of this series, that there could be a holy book for this civilization that really does have amazingly useful advice about diet, medicine, and so on. However, the significance of that aspect of the story steadily diminishes as the series goes along, and we end up reading long descriptions of the setup and execution of naval battles. There's also a lot of the story that's told through characters' conversations instead of just happening. It has its moments and the plot is pretty...more
Mike
I missed out on reviewing David Weber’s fourth Safehold novel A Mighy Fortress. The audiobook just got lost in the shuffle at the time. However, when the fine folks MacMillan Audio offered me a review copy of How Firm a Foundation I jumped at the chance and am I glad I did. My initial feelings towards the first few volumes of David Weber’s Safehold novels were typically positive with some reservations. My major complaints for By Schism Rent Asunder were outlined primarily as follows:

Weber’s peri
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Lynn
This is the fifth book in the Safehold series, and to tell the truth, I have had trouble getting into each one of them. But David Weber is such a good storyteller, that by the end of each (and they are LONG books!) I'm always left looking forward to the next one.

The Safehold series is about a society based on a lie that nearly everyone has forgotten; a society where progress is prohibited if it involves anything more that wind, water, or muscle power. Traditions and beliefs of generations have b...more
Matthew
Just finished going thru this series again to prep up for the next book being release on 9/18. Love this series because it does an excellent job of balancing politics and action.

The only thing that I don't like about this set of books is the author does spend quite a few pages sometimes talking about sailing. Given that I have no knowledge of ships sails or half of what is being done ... having two pages devoted to how the sail plan was laid out or modified makes for a bit of a slog / skip. Luck...more
Liviu
How Firm a Foundation has an interesting structure in the series and while a lot happens I found it the least satisfying novel to date because all the great moments - and it has a lot of them - are repeats from the earlier four novels - eg we find out what the key is and it is not as mind blowing as Merlin visiting Saint Zherneau in BSRA, or the martyrdoms/Charisian retaliation, wrenching and satisfying respectively still do not compare with Eryk Dynnis and the Delferak hangings to which they ar...more
Trike
This book moved the plot forward ably enough. We lost some characters, gained some others, most stayed where they were. Except for one big "didn't see THAT coming!" moment, the book was mostly what I had expected it to be.it did take a while to get going -- a 175 page while -- but once it did, things moved along at a decent pace. I do hope he steps things up in the next installment, since a lot of groundwork has been laid... Such as hints there might be more than one PICA on Safehold. Dun dun du...more
Elizabeth Galewski
Wow! The first time I took this book out of the the library, I hadn't read the others in the series. I thought it was so boring that I could barely get through the first hundred pages. But then I went back and read the books that came before it in the series. This time, when I picked up How Firm a Foundation, I couldn't put it down. Scenes that seemed banal before were now packed with hidden meaning. Gripping! Just don't use it as an entrance point into the series and you'll love it.
Nicole Luiken
Latest installment in the Safehold series. This book basically ate yesterday; I read 600 pages. I couldn't stop reading it. I have trouble explaining to non-Weber fans exactly why I find these books so compelling. Weber does complex politics and religion and great battle scenes, but often info dumps when it comes to the technology and has a ton of minor character POV. I think it ultimately comes down to stakes. The public stakes are so high I have to keep reading.
Michael Jones
I continue to read this series in spite of myself. The centuries or millennial spanning saga I envisioned after book 1 never materialized. instead we have a Horatio Hornblower mixed with military history and speculative sociology. It is nowhere near the excellence of the first 6 Honor Harrington novels, but it still has its charms. And I continue to read...

Book 5 continues to trend of less and less happening in each book. Yet I continue to read.
Guy
Same strengths and weaknesses as the previous book (A Mighty Fortress), with one additional weakness: it read at times like a series of vignettes / set pieces that had been thought out beforehand and then glued together. I liked the vignettes, as well as the things I usually like about Weber's books, so it gets three stars, but it is not really worthy of the author of On Basilisk Station.

And I can't stop wondering if he gets paid by the word....
Doug
I quite like this series. At times there is a but much of describing every single thought & facial twitch that's going on, but in general it's an enjoyable read. In spite of the hyper detail, I'm sticking with because I really like the characters. I persevere through the detailed descriptions because it gives me more about the characters I like (although there are times when it get's to be a bit much even for me.)

In spite of all that - a good read.
Matthew
Usually, if I finish a book, I give it 5 stars, because if I finished it, I probably liked it in some way. This time, I had to seriously consider taking off a star. I felt, until about halfway through, that the characters were too flat, and the good guys were getting too many easy breaks. By the end of it, I had changed my mind, but I'm still concerned. Weber introduced some good complications, which I'm not going to go into, but I think this series needs to find an endpoint fairly soon. (N.B. I...more
Frode
I liked it a lot, and it moved the series forward somewhat. I did find the first chapter a sidestep that did nothing in my mind to advance the plot. Also toward the end, a couple of near Deus Ex Machina events occured which strained the imagination. The action toward the end was fast and heavy. Of course, there are multiple unresolved issues, so I will read the next installment when it appears in paper.
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David Mark Weber is an American science fiction and fantasy author. He was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1952.

Many of his stories have military, particularly naval, themes, and fit into the military science fiction genre. He frequently places female leading characters in what have been traditionally male roles.

One of his most popular and enduring characters is Honor Harrington whose alliterated name...more
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