Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
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It's extremely difficult for me to judge the truth/accuracy of the reasoning in this book because I don't think I have enough expertise on 1st Century Roman history. But of all the attempts to uncover the origins of christianity - this book presents one of the most plausible explanations that I'm aware of. Probably a minority of people think (as I do) that Jesus of the New Testament is a mythological character - NOT an actual historical figure. And probably the majority within that minority beli...more
For example, when trying to reconcile the 4 Gospels, he says only those able to think "intelligently and logically" (135-135) will get the "comedy of errors (142)." He then abandons implicit insults and comes right out with ad hominems: Only those who "are illogical will believe that the ...more
His main technique seems to be reading the various descriptions of events side by side and so spotting variations on a theme in stories that at first glance are not related. He concentrate on the concepts and timelines of he stories ...more
I don't know if this book could have been organized better. He is presenting the gospels and "The War of the Jews" as a synthesis, so t ...more
According to Atwill Christianity, the New Testament (alongside Jesephus' "The Jewish War"), Jesus, the Apostels as well as the majority of NT characters are part of a Flavian conspiracy to subdue militant Sicarii Jewish rebellion against Rome, by creating a pacifist version of Judaism. What Atwill fails to do is to present credible evidence (other than far-fetched parallels between ...more
What Atwill attempts with his work is commendable and deserves five stars just for his attempt to conquer such a monumental topic. However, the author is so engaged to prove his hypothesis that he not only ignores suggestions to the contrary but also misses that he actually would have been onto discovering something truly exciting. Looking beyond the shortcomings, researchers can thus find in this book valuable insights into a possible composition mechanism of the New Testament, a ...more
Of course, that book is false. And Dan Brown's not a bible scholar.
Amazing how the parallels stack up.
Parallels between Luke and Josephus? Sure, they're there, and many legitimate scholars have known about them for a long, long, time.
In fact, said scholars see this as nothing other than Luke borrowing from Josephus. For said scholars who, like me, date the composition of Luke in the second century, there's nothing surprising.
As far as his work in relation to ours, he has told me that he likes my work over that of Reuchlin's. However, that may be because of the fact that I try to a) write clearer for a wider audience, and/or b) that I try to write on events chronologically.
Atwill's work leads people to "Titus" as the main creator of the NT go ...more
Minus one star for not having an index.
I went to look up blind or healing the blind and there was no index.
This book will be a long study without an index.
So, for making readers work so hard: minus one star for not having an index.
Those open minded to conspiracy theories, like myself, will be drawn in for 5 minutes. Those with any historical knowledge of the creation of the New Testament will have debunked this atrocity in 5 minutes 2 seconds. Of course, those that want to cling to the notion that they have a secret that no-one el ...more
Atwill’s Cranked-up Jesus (Richard Carrier) http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/a...
Joseph Atwill's, Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus (Robert M. Price) http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.co...
Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' - Was he completely constructed from other stories for an ancient Roman propaganda campaign? | Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19 ...more
Despite my lack of belief, it was still a fun book to read. I am planning on reading Wars of the Jews, which I would've never considered prior to reading Messiah, so that's a plus I guess.
The results of Atwill’s research are set out in his book “Caesar’s Messiah”. The second edition of “Caesar’s Messiah”, Ulysses Press 2006, became the best selling work of religious history in the US in 2007, and its German translation “Das Me ...more