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Gatto e topo (The Danzig Trilogy #2)

3.53 of 5 stars 3.53  ·  rating details  ·  2,547 ratings  ·  112 reviews
H.M. Enzensberger parla così di questo libro e del suo autore: “Il segreto di Grass è in quell’equilibrio, precario e originalissimo, che egli riesce a stabilire tra la sua anarchica forza d'immaginazione e il suo sovrano magistero artistico".
Edito per la prima volta nel 1961, dopo il clamoroso «Tamburo di latta», «Gatto e topo» è un racconto che, per dirla con l'autore,
Paperback, Universale Economica, 176 pages
Published 2009 by Feltrinelli (first published 1961)
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Robert Beveridge
I first read Cat and Mouse without the benefit of having read The Tin Drum beforehand, and I missed a lot. Cat and Mouse is the second book in Grass' Danzig Trilogy, three books that look at life in Danzig under the Nazi regime from three different points of view (the tales are told concurrently, and time can be fixed by seeing the same event from different points of view; for example, the picnic taken by the jazz trio and Schmuh in Book III of The Tin Drum shows up towards the end of Cat and Mo ...more
من جديد ... هي رواية تم ترشيحها لي .... أمسكت بها في معرض عام ٢٠١٣ قلبتها في يدي ثم وضعتها في مكانها، وها أنا قد حصلت عليها وقرأتها من خلال معرض عام ٢٠١٤ .... وربما لو لم يتم ترشيحها لي ما كنت قرأتها أبدا

مراجعات وتقييمات الرواية غاية في الإحباط وأخص بكلامي مراجعات القراء العرب ممن قرأوا نفس الترجمة تقريبا، بينما لا تعطي المراجعات الأجنبية أي نوع من وسائل القياس

الرواية محبطة فعلا لمن يبحث عن قصة وعقدة وأحداث أو مغامرة ... الترجمة غريبة فقد كنت افاجأ بألفاظ غاية في القبح والمخالفة لما قد أقبله
Kopinjol Baishya
It is a great book of course. Gunter Grass never fails to impress. Its the second book of his Danzig trilogy. The other two being "The tin Drum" and "Dog Years". The portrays a protagonist who is at odds with his time. It is the time of war and Joachim Mahlke like Oscar Matzerath fails to come into terms with it. He was born one of natures tragic clowns, with an adam's apple that was as large as a mouse, but he became a hero and his only aspiration all along had been the chance to give a lectur ...more
Tanuj Solanki
Overshadowed, in literary discourse, by The Tin Drum. Exceptional three and half hour indulgence. 'The Baltic the colour of thick-glass seltzer bottles,' he says. 'Rain is a binder,' he says. 'I, Pilenz - what has my first name got to do with it - formerly an altar boy dreaming of every imaginable future, now the parish hall secretary, just can't let magic alone,' he says.
Octavio Villalpando
Ésto es lo más cercano a "realismo mágico" que he leído en un autor alemán. Nos narra los acontecimientos en la vida de Mahlke, visto por los ojos de uno de sus condiscípulos. Grass logra crear un universo alterno, bastante realista, plagado de anecdotas.

Se supone que es la segunda parte de una trilogía, no he tenido el gusto de leer los otros dos libros que la conforman, pero seguramente lo haré, me gusto mucho el estilo de escribir del autor, a quien no había leído...
"Desde aquel viernes sé lo que es el silencio. El silencio se produce cuando las gaviotas dan la vuelta y se van. Nada es capaz de provocar mayor sensación de silencio que una draga trabajando, cuando el viento se lleva en sentido contrario su estrépito de hierro. Pero el mayor silencio lo produce Joaquín Mahlke, al no contestar a mi ruido."

"El gato y el ratón" forma parte de la llamada "Trilogía de Danzig", junto con "El tambor de hojalata" y "Años de perro". Günter Grass desarrolla la infancia
القط والفأر

الجزء الثاني من ما اصطلح على تسميته بثلاثية دانتسغ، والتي تضم إلى جانب هذه الرواية روايتي (الطبل الصفيح) و(سنوات الكلاب)، وتسمى ثلاثية دانتسغ نسبة إلى المدينة التي ولد فيها غونتر غراس، وكتب رواياته الثلاث هذه عنها، ودانتسغ كانت مدينة – دولة فيما بين 1920 م وحتى 1939 م، قبل أن يستولي عليها الألمان في الحرب العالمية الثانية – وقد تعرض غراس لهذا في روايته الطبل الصفيح، وخاصة قصة معركة مكتب البريد البولندي -، ثم آلت بعد ذلك إلى أن تصبح مدينة بولندية وتغير اسمها إلى غدانسك.

وكنت قد كتبت ع
This is the kind of book that has a very specific flavor. I remember reading The Tin Drum years ago and, at the time, I liked it a lot, so I was very looking forward to reading this one. Unfortunately, although it has Gunter Grass written all over it and the storytelling is very attractive, I just couldn't relate to the book in any way.

The story is about a young boy who gets very good at swimming, is very well respected by his friends, is rather ugly and, well, has really great sexual performanc

This book reminds me a little of the Great Gatsby, only i liked it better. It has the same neutral, absent narrator who talks to us about this man he knew: Joachim Mahlke. Mahlke is mysterious, a little weird, but none-the-less someone the narrator looks up to: the great Mahlke. (And this is not me inventing that nickname, it is actually used in the book).

The story takes place in Danzig, currently known as the Polish city Gdansk, during the early 1940s. It is however not your normal war-book; t
Joachim Mahkle is nothing like Oskar Matzerath, nor is this book as good and full of humor like "The Tin Drum". Reading it was boring and the book was a disappointment.
If Germans were the ones known for magical realism, I think Cat and Mouse would kind of define the genre--dead pan, literal, and packed with tall tale-ish exageration more than pure and unbelievable magic.

This is a story of two boys going about the very personal business of being boys, amidst the great geopolitical upheaval of their time. While their lives at times intersect with BIG history, it is the personal revolutions, ups and downs that define the narrative and motivate the characters.

**2.5 stars **

Ich bin sehr enttäuscht. Leider hat mir die Geschichte gar nicht so gut gefallen wie ich es mir erhofft hatte.
Ich kam zu Beginn fast nicht in das Geschehen hinein und hatte ziemlich Mühe mit dem Schreibstil des Autors.
Es geht hier um einen Aussenseiter, names Mahlke. Diesen fand ich an sich ja noch ziemlich interessant. Der Erzähler dieser Novelle war sein vermeintlicher Freund, namens Pilenz. Und diesen mochte ich überhaupt nicht. Ich konnte keinerlei Sympathie für ihn empfinden
ahmed sami elwakeel
بعد ما خلصت الروايه دى
وبعد ما قريت اخر ورقتين بعنوان ( عن الكاتب والروايه).
وده بيخليك تعلن الروايه اكتر
كان لزومه ايه الدوخه دى والترجمه الزباله دى
اعتقد لوان الروايه اتنشر منها اخر ورقتين
كانت استحقت نوبل
انا بفضل الروايات اللى من النوع ده تبقى قصه قصيره والقارئ يطلق العنان لخياله
ودى المتعه الحقيقيه
طبعا يكفى للى هيشتريها اخر ورقتين فقط لا غير
بسام عبد العزيز
لا أعلم هل هى الترجمة المملة.. أم أن القصة الأصلية نفسها مملة..
الأسلوب السردي غاية في الإسهاب الوصفي.. الاحداث قد لا تتحرك طوال 5 صفحات متتالية مثلا!
وصلت تقريبا لمنتصف الرواية و لم أفهم لماذا أطلق على البطلين "القط" و "الفأر".. و حتى التبرير العبيط جدا بكون تفاحة آدم تتحرك مثل الفأر كان مبالغا فيه و غير مقبول لي..

طوال منتصف الكتاب معظم الحديث يدو حول "بطلات و صولات و جولات" البطل الرئيسي في الغوص داخل السفن المحطمة و الرجوع من الماء بأشياء جديدة تم تركها في السفينة الغارقة... يغوص الولد و يعود
I read this book in German and I simply do not like it. I did not like the writing style: I was always re-reading sentences, trying to match the parts that belonged together. I have nothing against long sentences, but I do hate the 'Klammerkonstruktion', which is used a lot. And seriously, how much can you obsess over one man's adamsappel? I kept waiting for the story to lead to something, but sadly, it did not build to anything. There did not seem to be a point to the whole story.
I know Günter
Bought it again, read it again, gave it away again.
I read this one closer to deal with the, what I call, artistic narrative. At first I wondered if it was going to be something experimental and difficult to get through like Joyce or some stream of consciousness writer. It wasn't conventionally told, but after some adapting I didn't have a problem. Quite a few passages 'wowed' me with the excellence of phrasing or the way it was so evocative. Although, the narrator, and I believe intentionally, tipped off the reader of the final outcome, it was s ...more
Pierre E. Loignon
Ce roman raconte moins une histoire qu’elle décrit l’existence d’un jeune individu d’exception, Mahlke, ou « la souris », à partir du regard d’un de ses camarades, Pilensz, « le chat ».
Le chat, fasciné, hypnotisé, dépassé, suit sa souris comme son ombre : « Nous allions dénombrant des énigmes et ne pouvions pas te comprendre ». Il l’admire et la haït parfais, mais, chose certain, il ne peut absolument pas s’en passer.
La souris, dont l’existence se déroule en période nazi, est animée d’une volon
Al principio me fue difícil seguir la narración, hecha por un personaje que no era el principal, es posible que la traducción afectara mi comprensión, quizá suene tonto de mi parte llamarla demasiado española (en realidad, creo que es la única traducción disponible en mi idioma). El simbolismo de "gato y ratón" que usa la palabra ratón alemana maus como modismo o sinónimo de nuez o manzana de Adán se pierde un poco si no lees la nota al pie y lo tienes presente cuando de nuevo se hace una analog ...more
Ioannis Savvas
Ο Γκύντερ Γκρας θεωρείται ο μεγαλύτερος εν ζωή Γερμανός συγγραφέας, τιμημένος με το Βραβείο Νόμπελ λογοτεχνίας το 1999. Το Γάτα και ποντίκι είναι ένα από τα γνωστότερα μυθιστορήματά του. Ο Γιόαχιμ Μάλκε είναι ένας εκκεντρικός και απομονωμένος τύπος, που την ιστορία του στα χρόνια του Χίτλερ αφηγείται ο φίλος του Πίλεντς. Μια ιστορία απλή, φιλίας και μίσους, εφηβείας, μέσα στον συντηρητισμό της καθολικής εκκλησίας και της έμφυτης τάσης για «υγιή» παραβατικότητα της νιότης. Τελικά, ένας μεγάλος συ ...more
Inside this book, which I received as a Christmas gift from my brother's girlfriend, is a gift tag that reads: "Joel said you've read everything on earth already, so I found you a wild card. Can you handle it? :)"

The front cover proclaims the book "The electrifying and uproarious novel by the author of the international sensation, THE TIN DRUM."

Below that, it includes the following comments(which I include because it seems odd to include so boldly what seems like rather faint praise):
"Gunter Gra
Mika Auramo
May 14, 2011 Mika Auramo rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: sota-ajan nuorisokuvauksista kiinnostuneille
Shelves: sota
Günther Grassin teos on suomennettu nimellä kissa ja hiiri. Se on kertomus nuorten ystävyydestä sota-ajan Saksassa, tarkemmin sanottuna Länsi-Preussissa Langfurin satamakaupungissa. Ystävyyteen kuuluu kunnioitusta, joka kohdistuu lopussa lähes myyttisiin mittoihin kohoavaan opiskelukaveriin Mahlkeen. Tarinan tapahtumia seurataan hänen kurssitoverinsa ja ihailijan Pilenzin näkökulmasta.

Kerronnallisesti romaani on mielenkiintoinen, sillä alussa paljastetaan vain, että kertoja on Mahlken luokalla l
Sarah Sammis
Cat and Mouse is an early novel by author and poet, Günter Grass. It's the second book in the Danzig trilogy. It's a German coming of age novel set during WWII and it reminds me quite favorably of John Knowles's novel A Separate Peace (1959).

The unnamed protagonist says early on that the book isn't about himself but instead about "The Great Mahlke." Mahlke was a childhood friend known for his big adams apple, the screwdriver he wore around his neck and his love of swimming.

Although the book is s
Siraj Alarabi
الجميل في هذه الرواية أننا نرى الكاتب يتحدث عن نفسه في ظل حديثه عن شخصية أخرى (يواكيم ماله)حيث قال الكاتب بأنه يتحدث فيها عن أجزاء من سيرته نفسها ولكننا نرى (يواكيم مالكه) دائما في الصورة! وهذا هو الرابط بين القط (الكاتب) والفأر (يواكيم مالكه). تندمج الشخصيتين ثم تفترقان, تسيران معاً, تختفي واحدة وتضهر الأخرى وهكذا...لينتج في النهاية نسيج روائي مميز يتحدث عن المرحلة منذ بدايات الحرب العالميّة الثانية حتّى نهاية الخمسينات من القرن العشرين في تفاصيل حياتية تافهة ولكنها كافية لتعطي صورة واضحة عن حي ...more
My least favorite Grass book. Although brilliant commentary, I had trouble with the imagery which was not only sometimes beyond me but was heavy handed and repetitious. Still it is a worthwhile read just for its social commentary especially on twenthieth century Europe and especially Danzig.
This volume is missing the delightfully sardonic Humnor of The Tin Drum and even The Dog Years, of which it was once a part. It deserves to be split off, of course, and it is worth reading although the story
Miss Bookiverse
Seit der Blechtrommel bin ich ja eh extrem schlecht auf Günter Grass zu sprechen, deshalb hab ich von Anfang an erwartet, dass mir Katz und Maus nicht gefallen würde. Dank des Deutschunterrichts musste ich es mir trotzdem zu Gemüte führen, was ich aber (gepriesen sei das Internet) nur teilweise getan habe. Gott sei Dank ist dieser Roman wenigstens um ein Vielfaches dünner als Die Blechtrommel. Spaß gemacht hat's trotzdem nicht. Die ganzen Masturbationsolympiaden u.ä. fand ich abschreckend und ek ...more
Beautiful and heartbreaking, a story about two school friends, taking place in Germany during World War II.

Pilenz is one of a crowd of teenaged boys who like to hang out together at the beach, occasionally swimming out together to a partially submerged Polish minesweeper. Mahlke is just a kid who wants to belong.

But Mahlke is deeply flawed, Pilenz explains. He is independent, inventive, original and individual, at a time when it was deadly dangerous to deviate in any way from the crowd. With d
Mahlke was an interesting character...and now that I think about it...after reading about Holly Golightly, it's funny, but these two stories are oddly similar. Both characters live in strange personal spaces, collect odd items, are loved and admired for their eccentricities and yet looked down upon for them too, both difficult to classify, yet at some point in the story try to conform to socially acceptable behavior, both loners with their own sense of purpose, and then both vanish by the end of ...more
After reading American post-WWII fiction like Pynchon and Vonnegut, I thought it was prudent and fair to read some German (albeit Free State of Danzing/Polish) post-WWII fiction. And where the American stuff is really weird in Pychon's case and fairly weird but poetic in Vonnegut's, in Gunter Grass' case, it's pretty hard to wrap your head around but at least flows really quickly. I'd do 20 pages and it'd feel like five so this short read goes by fairly fast. The storyline is straightforward chr ...more
Jul 24, 2008 Maureen rated it 3 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommends it for: everyone
Shelves: novel
This is the middle book in Grass' Weimar trilogy, and as such, it is an unusual middle child. It does not suffer from the neglect the middle usually receives, because it is a different type of book, and stands alone. Nowhere as magical as The Tin Drum, it is still a story that has an other-worldly quality to it, because the principal characters are schoolboys growing in Weimar Germany. Joachim Mahlke, the main character, dives for artifacts from a half-sunken minesweeper. His greatest treasure, ...more
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Günter Wilhelm Grass is a Nobel Prize-winning German author and playwright.
He was born in the Free City of Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland). Since 1945, he has lived in West Germany (now Germany), but in his fiction he frequently returns to the Danzig of his childhood.
He is best known for his first novel, The Tin Drum, a key text in European magic realism. His works frequently have a strong left wing,
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“Suppose you're teaching math. You assume that parallel lines meet at infinity. You'll admit that adds up to something like transcendence.” 1 likes
“Y cuando el corredor dijo amén, allí estaba él, con la clara ventana frontal a la espalda, entre la secretaría y la dirección: él, el Gran Mahlke, pero sin ratón, porque llevaba en el cuello el singular objeto, el abretesésamo, el magneto, lo contrario de una cebolla, el trébol galvanizado de cuatro hojas, el engendro del buen viejo Schinkel, la golosina, el aparato, la cosa cosa cosa, el no-quiero-hablar-de-eso. ¿Y el ratón?” 1 likes
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