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A Grande Guerra pela Civilização: A Conquista do Oriente Médio

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Reaching back into the long history of invasion, occupation and colonization in the region, Robert Fisk sets forth information in a way that makes clear how a history of injustice "has condemned the Middle East to war." He lays open the role of the West in the seemingly endless strife and warfare in the region, traces the growth of the West's involvement and influence ther ...more
Hardcover, 1496 pages
Published 2007 by Editora Planeta do Brasil (first published January 1st 2005)
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Matthew Jankowski I've read about 25% of the book. So far, I'm not seeing much that is actually 'questionable' or even 'new', besides the addition of the author's…moreI've read about 25% of the book. So far, I'm not seeing much that is actually 'questionable' or even 'new', besides the addition of the author's personal experience. My takeaways so far have more to do with seeing the history all in one place and piecing it all together:
Something like:
1978: US. Embassy in Tehran Occupied. Hostages taken.
1980: The First Persian Gulf War started between Iraq and Iran. Eventually involving nearly all Middle Eastern Countries. Eventually, Iraq started using Chemical Weapons.
~1984: War escalates to involve the destruction of tankers in the gulf. US. sends ships to defend tankers.
1988: Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by USS Vincennes. Lockerbie bombing.
1991: US Invasion of Iraq.

I find this book an exhausting read. I'm sure it will be even more so as the narrative moves further towards 9/11 and beyond. I wish I had such a resource as I tried to understand 9/11 back in 2001.

The personal vignettes about Robert Fisk's father draw parallels between the early 20th century European experience and the constant Middle Eastern turmoil. I've read enough about the Great War lately to find his inclusion of personal history apropos.

His reportage includes numerous facts which could be readily proven true or false. I'd be curious to find a resource that takes him to task.

Mr. Fisk finds state sponsored violence difficult to justify. Many would probably take him to task just for that.(less)
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Huyen
Updated 18/06/09 (it's coincidence I finished this book exactly one year ago - currently rereading the chapters on Israel-Palestine)

Sorrow. Indignation. Dismay. Abhorrence. Horror. Disgust. Wrath. All the things that haunt you through the nights.

If there’s one history book that totally changes the way I see the world, it must be this one. It is an extremely hard read, not so much because of its length but the gruesome story told. Robert Fisk leads us through a harrowing journey of tremendous hu
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Ryan Mishap
I was listening to an interview with Fisk, thirty years a reporter in the Middle East, on Democracy Now when Amy Goodman asked him what gave him hope. Five, ten, fifteen seconds of silence and then one word: nothing. The flat tone and finality of it caused me to choke on tears. Silence, then Goodman, almost incredulous, asked, “Nothing?” Fisk, responding, “No, nothing.” Then, sensing that this isn’t what the audience wanted—or perhaps needed—he back-pedaled and said something about compassionate ...more
Jonfaith
But war is primarily not about victory or defeat but about death and the infliction of death. It represents the total failure of the human spirit.

It would be spurious to suggest that I'm not haunted by this book. Maybe it is a touch of American isolationism, perhaps a hint of xenophobia, that we -- meaning I -- don't peer more into these pages.

Robert Fisk has proven, amongst loftier achievements, to be an audible author. Dozens of times over the past three days I sighed and groaned under the sp
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Whitaker
I don't know why I read books like this. Or rather, I do--the Middle East is one of the more critical flash points of this century and I think it's important to know how we got to this point. But dammit, I just get so damn angry and depressed when I read such books that I sometimes think it's not worth it.

As I write this, the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraqi invasion is proceeding apace in the UK. The evidence that has come out so far has been bleak and depressing, and largely corroborates the vi
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Mikey B.
A Tour de Force...

This book is a literary opus. It is extremely well-written; and I am talking of a book of 1,000 plus pages. Surprisingly, it is written in the first person; based on interviews and up front experiences. The author has lived in the Middle East for over thirty years and the book is journalistic-history with the emphasis on journalism.

This is a book about war - this is no dry, academic dissertation - it is a personal experience and I suspect somewhat of a catharsis and a labour o
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Tim
"We might be able to escape history. We can draw lines in our lives. The years of 1918 and 1945 created our new lives in the West. We could start again. We think we can recommend the same to the peoples of the Middle East. But we can't. History - a history of injustice - cloaks them too deeply" (1285). In the Gestalt's Web in which we live, the actions taken by living, conscious beings obey the universal laws of growth, cause, effect. They take on a life of their own, and continue to grow down t ...more
Hadrian
Noble-winged seraphs of the jury, look at this tangle of thorns.

See the eruption of this area in flames, see the piles of skulls disintegrating in the wind, see houses ridden with bullets and children torn apart in martyrdom, see trenches full of soldiers, dead of gas.

I would like to read his thoughts on current events, on new revolutions and civil wars, and faint hopes on democracy, but I doubt, after what he has seen and heard, he has any hope.

This is a fearsome history, scourging and lamentin
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Justin Evans
I imagine the editor of this book thinking once every two pages "hm... maybe we could cut this out?" and then the very next paragraph being a rant about editorial intervention/dilution/censorship, which leads the editor to think "hm... don't really want to be the subject of one of *those*. I guess I'll just let him ramble on. Which is too bad, because at 800 pages or so this would have been an amazing, amazing book. Without the subtraction of 500 pages, it's just really good.

It's also not reall
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Szplug
Nov 16, 2012 Szplug marked it as intermittently-reading  ·  review of another edition
I'd love some day to settle into this behemoth and accompany Fisk through a decades-long recollection of futility, hope, hatred, bravery, cynicism, and internecine strife and betrayal as it uniquely existed, and exists, in the forlorn Middle East. However, I've yet to make that lengthy commitment - in part due to the sheer size of Fisk's monstrosity of a book and in another because of my younger brother's antipathy to TGWFC, which he perceived as a questionably accurate encomium to the British j ...more
Michael
Started reading this during my previous summer traveling through Australia/South-East Asia.
Could not put it down.
I want to declare that this book gave me a complete re-awakening in my thoughts about global geo-politics.
For a few years, I had grown utterly contempt with global politics. I focused inward, to my job, the meaning of life.
This book hit me like a lightning bolt, and has ignited that spark in me, as I once had it.
The phrase, "truth is stranger than fiction" comes to mind to descri
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Liam Howley
I was watching what is sometimes called "the news" earlier today when I was reminded of having read this book. A life lived! I remember being invited by a friend to an amnesty lecture. Robert Fisk was the speaker. He spoke eloquently for sometime, his primary message being a journalists obligation to speak truth to power. There are some in his profession, who fulfill this obligation with courage and conviction, but unfortunately they have become an ever smaller exception.

This book is a monument.
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محمد الهاشمي
احتجت لبعض الوقت لاستعادة رأيي في الكتاب. فيسك هو افضل من يكتب في المؤامرة وسياسات الشرق الاوسط حاليا. السبب انه صحفي من طراز رفيع. وهذا الكتاب يقدم لكل من يريد ان يشعر ان الغرب شيطان كل المبررات مع بعض الأدلة. امتعني لكن الإكثار من هذه الكتب تجعلك غارقا في شعور انك ضحية لمؤامرة
Jack Radey
A big honking thick tome, not pleasant reading. Author is a war correspondent, of the non-embedded type, covers from Algeria to Afghanistan, with stops in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, and a little expedition in time to cover the Armenian genocide in Turkey. No noticeable good guys. Except maybe the US sergeant who, after a State Dept or CIA type told him to turn back refugees fleeing Saddam's repression following King Bush I's first Gulf War, told the suit to go fuck himself and let the peopl ...more
Cassie Allen
I am about halfway through this book. Had to step away from it for awhile after reading the chapter about Algeria. Robert Fisk is a war correspondent and this book consists mainly of dispatches he has filed over the years regarding conflicts in the Middle East. There are no heartwarming human-interest stories in here although a number of the people he encounters during travels through conflict zones stand out as examples of humanity sometimes rising over brutality. This book is hard to read but ...more
Connor
First off, this book is monstrous. However, through its length, the author is able to create a complete understanding of the recent history of the middle-east. And this book does just that. It is a compilation of Fisk's gathered knowledge from 30 years of reporting and even includes his own interviews with Osama bin Laden. Fisk's experience as a reporter in the middle-east is fully evident when reading this book. Not only is Fisk well informed, but he also offers great insight and personal opin ...more
Lars
I bought this book many years ago when I first started reading non fiction literature. I started and stopped twice... Its sheer size and the density of information daunted me. But third time's a charm and I finally read this staggering work and am better for it.
In "The Great War For Civilisation" Robert Fisk, a British foreign correspondent, gives an overview of the many conflicts in the Middle East in the past 3 or 4 decades. This isn't a history book per sé. Fisk has condensed 30 years of jou
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Rick
This is a fascinating book and clarified for me many of the issues that led to the state that the modern Middle east finds itself in. I also found it interesting as in 2003 I found myself as part of the "Army of Occupation", to which Robert Fisk refers, in Iraq.

Mr Fisk's years as a foreign correspondant, living and working among the people about whom he is writing, have meant that he has been able to gain an insight that many would not. It also gives him some authority when he speaks about so ma
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Alex
The most eye opening book to the horrors that exist in this supposed democratic world. It has changed my understanding of not only the Middle-East but of how the West has raped, pillaged and bullied its way into the dwindling finances and boarders of the Middle-East and how a constant spiral of betrayal and false promises is inflicted upon the Jew, Christian and Muslim public.

It has made me sick and angry at my own governments (U.K) treacherous policies from as far back as the First World War. I
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Socraticgadfly
Very good info, but .... needs an editor for organization!

First, let me say that Fisk is a very good journalist, and it shows through in the personal details he records. He knows how to both write well and ask good questions. He also knows how to connect the dots well. And, he has stuck his head out -- a lot -- to get real war stories while refusing to "embed," whether with American troops, British ones, or any other forces.

Second is that he has what will probably seem to most Americans to be a
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Andrew
I'm not the type to read massive tomes by grand old lions of journalism, with their self-aggrandizing, bullet-dodging tales, but I made an exception for this one. It is by no means a complete history, but it's an excellent sent of dispatches from the Middle East and reports on the grim fruits of the imperial endeavor in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Armenia, Afghanistan, Algeria, Palestine, and other parched and unhappy places much abused by the Balfour Declaration and the machinations of Messrs. Rumsfeld ...more
emma
Before reading this, I had a very limited knowledge of the history of the Middle East, or the issues that still affect it today. I feel I have a much better (although of course not comprehensive) understanding now. This book had me alternating between rage and tears on numerous occasions, and as other reviewers have said, it's not easy to read: at times I was left with such a feeling of responsibility and helplessness. I've been growing progressively more cynical in relation to the media as I've ...more
Alexander McNabb
There is so much hate and murder in this relentless document of carnage that when I got to a report of two soldiers raping a dying girl and hurrying so they could finish before she pegged out it just flew past me as yet another atrocity. It was only later I thought to go back and work out quite how I had become so inured to the tales of outrage that populate the book.

It's a must read, but one which will do for you what James Joyce did for the Irish people with Ulysses...

You'll need a strong sto
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Tim
A phenomenal book. Made me swear to never engage in any more debates on the Middle East with fools who get their info from TV news. A terrible indictment on all the role-players in the clusterfuck that is now the Middle East.
Matt Brady
An incredibly depressing but also an incredibly important book. It's a history of the middle east in the 20th century with a focus on the West's involvement and clumsy interference in the region, culminating in the entirely pointless invasion of Iraq. It's grim and heartbreaking and if youre a westerner it'll probably leave you with a weird mixture of anger and guilt, but it's also an incredibly compelling account, often an eyewitness account, of a place and people that have suffered terribly bl ...more
MsSherlocked
THIS BOOK WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

Wow.

I don't quite know what to say. It's taken me absolutely ages to read this book, because I had to stop every couple of pages so as not to break down in tears or fly into an - and this is quite important - impotent rage.

It's as close as you can get to an unbiased source of the history of the conflict in the Middle East. Small disclosure: I'm in my early twenties. I never had much interest in the American wars in the Middle East prior to September 11. I bought
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Alex
While I agree with many facets of his argument, I was distracted by how disorganized his writing was. At 1041 pages, this book is 300-400 pages too long. Furthermore, some of the stuff Fisk brought up, particularly the belabored connection he was trying to make between his father - a WW1 Vet- and the current situation in the Middle East, was not relevance at all to his argument. Additionally, the veracity of his argument is at times hindered by flagrant historical inaccuracies. Mind you, these i ...more
Earl Grey Tea
Robert Fisk provides a view of modern Middle Eastern history through the perspective of his life as a journalist in this region. This point of view of history provides the reader with a much more personal (and often disturbing) understanding of what has happened in the last thirty years. Instead of a pure broad view of these events, we can see how the people, many of them being average citizens, suffered during the tumultuous times. While there is plenty of academic historical information throug ...more
Errol
I am not quite done with this 1300+ page book, but am finally very close to the end. I have been slugging along for more than a year now at about the rate of a chapter a month. Part of the reason for the slow pace is the subject matter, it isn't exactly rosy, but the book is as thorough as it gets. Robert Fisk has had a long distinguished career as a Middle East news reporter, and gos through his knowledge of the region in the 20th century incident by incident, country by country. In between he ...more
Shirley
This book is an impressive, angry and highly personal account of Robert Fisk's time in the Middle East over the past thirty years. After reading Fisk's "testament", it is impossible for me to read current news stories about the Middle East without being skeptical. Fisk deals with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Afganistan under the Russians, the Iran-Iraq war, the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait, the impact of sanctions in Iraq, the US led invasions of Afganistan and Iraq, and many other aspe ...more
Todd
As a person who has spent much of the last decade attempting to understand the complexities of the Muslim World, Fisk's memoir is an epiphany. Compiled from thirty years of reporting from every major conflict to affect the region, Fisk offers a compelling, and often uncomfortable, portrait of the Middle East.
If you're offended by harsh criticism of the West, this is probably one to skip because successive American and British administrations take it on the chin in Fisk's narrative. Through met
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