Phaedrus

Phaedrus

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One of Plato’s most profound and beautiful works, Phaedrus takes the form of a dialogue between Socrates and Phaedrus, an amateur rhetorical enthusiast, on the topic of passionate or romantic love. Concerned with establishing principles of rhetoric, it argues that rhetoric is only acceptable as an art when it is firmly based on the truth inspired by love, the common experi...more
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Published December 27th 2005 by Penguin Classics (first published -370)
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Peter
Spoiler alert: This book is not about a "philosophy of love" as many reviewers seem to believe. As every dream has its manifest content (a storyline) that masks a latent content (the suppressed, unconscious emotions that bubble into our semi-conscious REM sleep), Socrates' discourse on the nature of love thinly masks the true subject of this dialogue: bullshit, how to produce it, and how to recognize it. For the reader, his dialectical approach gives us a hint about how to resist it.

With self-de...more
Chiara Pagliochini
“Come una corrente di vento o un’eco che rimbalzando su una superficie levigata e solida si ripercuote al punto d’origine, così la corrente di bellezza penetra di nuovo nel bell’amato attraverso gli occhi. Così per il suo naturale canale raggiunge l’anima, e come vi arriva disponendola al volo irrora i meati delle penne, stimola la crescita delle ali e a poco a poco riempie d’amore l’anima dell’amato.”

La domanda legittima è: perché, quando uno sta già leggendo altri sette libri, una bella mattin...more
Scott
The Phaedrus was not one of the dialogues we read in my Plato seminar in grad school, so I thought I'd finally tackle it. I didn't like it much. I'm guessing that that might be the influence of my particular professor, but I'm not sure.

Some of the other goodreads reviews are very well-written and do a nice job of analyzing the dialogue. Many highly recommend it.

The dialogue is a conversation between Socrates and Phaedrus out for a walk on a hot summer afternoon. They take shelter in a cool spot...more
Glenn
A lot to chew on here, and worthy of many repeat visits. I was drawn to this by an article I read about a college class. The "final" for the students was to reenact this dialogue in their own words in one of the college's common areas; a prodigious feat of both memory and internalizing the material if ever there was one. The book itself is certainly worthy of such an effort. Although my interest waxed and waned depending on the subject at hand, there are a multifold of relevant and insightful id...more
Rickeclectic
Dec 10, 2008 Rickeclectic rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition Recommends it for: Philosophy buffs, literary criticism buffs
Shelves: philosophy
Previously considered a lesser work by Plato, but more recently considered important because of Derrida. The text is about writing and oral communication and their role in telling the truth. The dialogue very cleverly intersperses the difference between true and false love with the difference between true and false rhetoric. In reading this, it helps to understand the opposition between Socrates and the sophists that pervades most of the other Platonic dialogues, but the Phaedrus can stand alone...more
David Alexander
Phaedrus is a beautiful dialogue of Plato. I confess, I listened to the whole thing while laying down mulch for hours with my earbuds. Librivox.org, man. Plato first sets the stage by narrating a scene of playful leisure to set the stage for layered, increasingly deeper contemplation. The dialogue offers valuable, time-tested insight and guidance in the life of the mind and itself embodies the insight.

Perhaps we get the word philosophy from this dialogue. At least in it Socrates defines the typ...more
Jeanne Persuit
My favorite Plato :-)
Dr. George H. Elder
Every rhetorical scholar reads the Phaedrus, and I have done so repeatedly. It is certainly one of Plato's more lively dialogues, which is surprizing considering the contempt he had for the habitude--useful though rhetoric be. Clearly, some great advice is offered with regard to giving speeches, with the most important being knowing the details and "truth" of the subject matter, with the due condition that the discourse also be adjusted to the audience. This is a must read for any first year com...more
Eric
Though I'm into love, my real interest in this dialogue has to do with its latter parts. So I'll zip through the early sections on love like a speedy fly:

As Phaedrus is wandering outside Athens, he comes across Socrates. Socrates "appear[s] ... totally out of place," as he rarely leaves Athens proper (230c). When Socrates learns that Phaedrus just came from hearing a speech by Lysias, he demands to hear it. After some cajoling and a good "is that a scroll under your toga or are you just happy to...more
Paul Haspel
Plato's dialogues take on greater depth and resonance the more of them one reads. Socrates' character in them remains much the same: seemingly diffident, almost self-effacing, as he asks a series of questions that gradually reveal unstated assumptions on the part of the person with whom he is speaking. What changes from one dialogue to the next is the particular area of interest that a dialogue engages, and the character of the person or people whom Socrates engages in conversation. In the case...more
Jeremiah Tillman
This one is tricky. It ostensibly concerns love, madness, and the tripartite soul. To introduce these theories, elegant and loquacious speeches are read aloud or made up. Yet Plato implies that most speeches have little to no depth as they deal with appearances as opposed to the essence of reality. Thus I was confused as whether or not to believe Socrates' articulated agreement with Lysias' speech and then his just as articulated dismissal of his previous conviction. Plato's metaphor for the sou...more
Dusty
Jan 25, 2010 Dusty rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition
Recommended to Dusty by: Elizabeth Richmond-Garza
On a steamy Grecian afternoon, while the cicadas chirp, while their countrymen nap, Socrates and Phaedrus converse about the nature of love, and about truth and rhetoric. Generally, I find reading Plato a tiresome chore. That's somewhat less the case with Phaedrus, which is, so far, the spunkiest Platonic dialogue I've read. The "love" discussed here is not between a man and a woman -- I believe at this time women weren't considered capable of love? -- but instead between a man and his fair boy(...more
Jon
Plato at his most playful. First Socrates presents one argument about romantic love (in a nutshell--that it's dangerous and not to be messed with), then professes to have changed his mind and presents an extreme counter to his own argument, (that love is a reminder of our true spiritual form and should be sought above all else). He finally reveals that he's just been messing with Phaedrus in order to show him how unwieldy and unreliable the art of rhetoric can be.
Chris
Plato is RIDICULOUS. In all the best ways. I'm sort of inclined to agree with a friend who said that if you're trying to sort out the Socrates from the Plato, a pretty good indicator for the Socrates is the concentration of dirty jokes. The Phaedrus is rife with them. It actually opens with Lysias arguing for hookup culture. That makes the subtle little ways that Socrates pulls out the rug from under you all the more delicious.e
Kristi
Lots of really heavy philosophy in here that got pretty tough to understand at time. However, an interesting blend of topics: both love and rhetoric. If I knew more about philosophy, I probably would've understood the text more. Also, even though this is marketed as "the easy reading series," the translation wasn't as simple as I expected. Other classmates had a more straightforward (with modern English syntax) translation, which also might have aided my comprehension.
Samantha
I strongly suggest that you read this if you're really ambitious about your reading. But if you're not willing to sit through it and really analyze the reading, you probably won't get any of it and might fall into the many traps Plato has set up.

If you've already read this dialogue and think it's simply about love, you'll definitely have to re-read it.

Shawn
God this is good stuff. Plato sends me.

"There is also a madness which is the special gift of heaven and the source of the chiefest blessings among men. This divine madness is of four kinds - the gift of prophecy, religious ecstasy in which the soul is purified from sin, poetical inspiration, and lastly the madness of love.

I might tell of many other noble deeds which have sprung
from inspired madness. And therefore, let no one frighten
or flutter us by saying that temperate love is preferable to...more
Kouyoum
I have just finished reading the french version. What a surprise ! What a cold shower ! This is futuristic, it is not even contemporary ! A beauty in every way, a wonderful "promenade" in time...
I was expecting Phedre (like Racine's play) and ended up having a conversation with Socrates...What else ? What more ?
Read this, have your children read it.
Mandy
One of Plato's dialogues that actually is a dialogue - Phaedrus isn't just a straw man for Socrates to use as he makes his argument, instead the two speakers guide each other to a mutual conclusion regarding the nature of rhetoric and (to a lesser extent) love.

The Nehamas/Woodruff edition is really comprehensive and useful, especially for the non-classicist.
Rachael
I've always meant to read this, mostly because of the role it plays in The Charioteer. Much more about rhetoric than I realized, rather than actually being about the nature of love. I found the depictions of Greek religion, Platonic ideals, rebirth, etc. interesting in an academic sense and occasionally even beautiful.
Mandy
I found this to be one of the more approachable of the Platonic dialogues. Granted, I haven't read them all, but I've read enough to be a decent judge. Be forewarned, since Phaedrus convinced Socrates to leave the city, things go a little differently, but that's all I'll say so as to not spoil it for the rest of you.
Davejones
The book has been often described as being badly constructed - with the second half disjointed from the first. However this sense of bad design is only on the surface - in fact this book is a perfect unity, that functions as a puzzle. Plenty of clues are there, but the puzzle is solvable only to those who already know!
Lindsey
I'm not necessarily rating this according to its value, as I understand (like the Phaedo) that it's a fundamental text. Rather, I'm rating it like I'd rate any other book: by how much I enjoyed it. And I did enjoy it--after all, how great is it that Socrates goes on a picnic?--but on a fairly general level.
Jeff
A difficult read not because of subject matter but because of a bother to actually sit down and read. Plato makes some interesting points, has a strange discourse about love with boys, and ends with what becomes the Western ideal of Academic writing (though he hates writing [though he's a writer]).

Everett Darling
May 29, 2009 Everett Darling rated it 5 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition Recommends it for: Lawyers, public speakers, writers
Shelves: 2009
The dialogue calculating the pros and cons of the written vs. the spoken word, fits in a contemporary context regarding memory, specifically how our memory has become dependent upon www sources, while we maintain an omnipotence that is both tenuous and arguably illegitimately earned.
Pip
Phaedrus is Socrates' discussion about love (eros). He moves from discussing love to discussing the nature of the soul. His argument is the basis for Aristotle's proof that there must be some sort of god, which was heavily influential on medieval philosphers and even apologists today. The reader should be aware that the context of Phaedrus is a man having an affair with a young boy (which was considered one of the greatest forms of love in Socrates' time). While most of what Socrates says about...more
Jay Kovach
Aug 13, 2010 Jay Kovach rated it 4 of 5 stars  ·  review of another edition Recommends it for: Adults, the educated and those with a grasp on metaphors
I've read this several times before. I had to read it in college for a classic rhetoric course. I fell in love with the text. It is in my opinion, the most playful Plato has ever been and also contains some of the most beautiful rhetoric I have ever read to date.
Nancy Bielski
Read this for Core Concepts. Does anybody know what this means? I'm STILL confused like 5 years later. It may also be that I read this sophomore year when I was definitely more into my social life than really studying my face off...
10brandyb
I understand the cultural differences between now and them, but the man/boy love thing put me off while reading this. I walked away from this piece with the question of what is more powerful: culture or human nature?
Kevin
I feel that many of the Greek books would do better to be read in a class or to take a class after so that the reader understands more. I find that I need to read these books a few times before truly grasping the ideas.
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Plato was a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world. Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.

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